India spinners 'no mystery' - Graeme Swann

[SLICKR392]

Eh? England are crap against good spin. I recognize that. What I posted is that Swann averages very good in the SC' date= nothing to do with England's batsman?

Fixed.

[Crookbond]

Eh? England are crap against good spin. I recognize that. What I posted is that Swann averages very good in the SC' date=' nothing to do with England's batsman?[/quote'] You have been going on in multiple threads for a long time now. I think it was you who made the comment along the lines of England play spin well at home.

[indiaregulator]

England play spin well at home

They do. Name 1 spinner who has done well vs England recently in England.

[SLICKR392]

They do. Name 1 spinner who has done well vs England recently in England.

Ajmal & since when are the pitches in England considered as spinner friendly?

[Crookbond]

They do. Name 1 spinner who has done well vs England recently in England.

So, Indians play swing bowling really well at home?

[indiaregulator]

Ajmal? Iirc he played well in one innings..he also let broad and trott gain a 250 run partnership. Thats different because the ball doesnt swing in india. But it does spin in england. Swann manages to get wickets but the opposition spinner doesnt. Narine, deodarine, mishra, bhajj, tahir, herath, doherty, lyon have all done zilch in england. Yet in each series swann outperforms them. This shows that there is spin avaliable.

[Crookbond]

Dude, How many spinners have travelled to England recently worthy of their name? You should accept the fact that playing spin in England is not the yardstick. Just like playing swing in India is not the yardstick for how well you play swing bowling.

[SLICKR392]

Ajmal? Iirc he played well in one innings..he also let broad and trott gain a 250 run partnership. Thats different because the ball doesnt swing in india. But it does spin in england. Swann manages to get wickets but the opposition spinner doesnt. Narine, deodarine, mishra, bhajj, tahir, herath, doherty, lyon have all done zilch in england. Yet in each series swann outperforms them. This shows that there is spin avaliable.

Clearly proves that you don't watch matches played in England. Swann isn't a player who is known for taking wickets on turners. It spins in England as much as a ball swings in Rajkot.

[indiaregulator]

Right then, the recent series in sri lanka must have been a dream.

[SLICKR392]

Right then' date=' the recent series in sri lanka must have been a dream.[/quote'] Weren't we talking about the spinners and the conditions in England? How is that related to the series in SL?

[Tendulkar_Bhai]

You are wrong, iv watched test cricket over the last few yrs on almost every ground Edgbaston, Lords, Oval, Old Trafford, and Cardiff and never seen Swann or anyone turn it, the way he gets his wickets is by varying his line and length he doesnt even have a great doosra like Bhaji which can be hard to read. And did Narine even play tests in Eng, i remember him being busy in IPL!

[indiaregulator]

Yeah narine did. Finished with figues of 0-53 and 2-71

[BeautifulGame]

From Bowl at Boycs He says: England haven't won a Test series in India in a while. Do you think this is their best chance, and are India at their most vulnerable for the first time in a while at home? GB: Good question. Yes and no. England haven't convinced anyone that they can play the turning ball. I don't think they've convinced themselves. They might talk [about how] they've done lots of planning and preparation, but they actually haven't done it in the middle. So it really boils down to what sort of pitches are produced by the Indian groundsmen. If the pitches turn, which they usually do… by the third, fourth or fifth day they will turn at some stage. How much will they spin is important. And who wins the toss, that's vital. If you can win the toss and have a chance of putting up a really big first-innings total on a pretty good batting surface before the ball spins, then make no mistake, that is really a vital factor. If the pitches stay flat, England have some good batsmen who can score heavily. But I don't think anybody can believe that you can go to India and the pitches won't turn at some stage. It just always happens that way. Occasionally you get a very flat one over five days. Nobody can back England. Nobody in their right mind can back England until England play well on the subcontinent. There are young guys there, like Joe Root, who's played very little county cricket, never mind anything else. There's young Jonny Bairstow. I know them both from Yorkshire. Extremely talented, but the turning ball? They don't see that very much in English conditions these days. The pitches have got great covering. They are dry and flat. In the old days we used to play on uncovered pitches. They could find it very difficult. Then there's this guy [Nick] Compton. He is a new boy to this sort of bowling; he hasn't seen anything like that in English cricket. For India, if Zaheer Khan can stay fit, he's a really fine bowler with the new ball and the old ball. He's an old warrior. On Indian pitches he's been known to be very good, get early wickets and let the spinners do the job when the batsmen are under pressure. Now I know a lot of people, like the [one who asked the] question, say that India are in transition. No Dravid, no Laxman, the great names are gone. Sachin [Tendulkar] is at the end of a fabulous career - not sure how he will play. [Virender] Sehwag looks vulnerable, bit of loss of form. He's always been a mercurial batsman but done well in the subcontinent. Now Yuvraj [singh] as well, he's been ill and not played for many months. These are all question marks everybody is conscious of about these very well known players. But India are still good. They've got captain [MS] Dhoni there, who is still a very fine player. [Gautam] Gambhir is a very good batsman at home. He struggled in England where the ball bounces and seams a great deal more, but at home in India, he is a very good player. [Virat] Kohli is a top young batsman, he's a real quality player in the making. India usually play well at home. The players are used to the slower bounce in the pitches, that's the key. It doesn't move as much with the new ball and it doesn't move for long. And it's the lower bounce, it doesn't get up high past the chin. They like their own food, they'll get home support. They may look a little vulnerable for these questions that I've posed, but I still fancy India over England. There are far too many ifs and buts about the English batting. Sorry, I'm not sure they're going to do it, the English batting.

But then what does Boycott know about english pitches :winky:

[SLICKR392]

But then what does Boycott know about english pitches :winky:

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[CricLind]

"Mystery" isn't so important as quality. Bowlers such as Kumble, the spin quartet of the 70's, the earlier Indian spinning greats such as Gupte and Mankad, etc have all been pretty straightforward bowlers. Everyone doesn't have to be a Narine or something.