Bongosamaj Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The first four are your personal likings. You are departing from truth on the 5th one. No, i am not. I have PERSONALLY HEARD HIM SPEAK and i think most traitors are more polite than Jindal is when it comes to India. And damn right, the first 4 are my personal likings...got a prob with that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongosamaj Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The reason Indians are proud about Jindal is the fact that his parents migrated to United States with a dream that is to give the best to their children and he achieved his parents dream. The reason Indians are proud of this cretin who denigrates Indian culture is because we are a culture with an insecurity/victim complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Jindal is an American citizen he is not an Indian citizen. He didn't denounce his roots I heard him clearly acknowledging the fact that his parents migrated from India. The reason Indians are proud about Jindal is the fact that his parents migrated to United States with a dream that is to give the best to their children and he achieved his parents dream. Whether he is a Christian or not is irrelevant. You have to look at him as a person not with the eyes of a Hindu fundamental.. I get a feeling that you are questioning his faith rather than looking at his other attributes. Also you think that someone who accepts a new religion shouldn't be talking about it. These type of thoughts come out of fear. I have no problems if he upholds his american identity over his roots. Every 2nd Gen will have to accept that and the sooner they do, it is better for themselves. But I see nothing in this for the "Indian" to feel proud about, because he is successful not because he is a dark-skinned Indian or for upholding his "Indian"ness, but he is because he is a hardcore christian, hardcore than most of the whites. That is the reason for his win. The "brain washed" bit was for the evangelicals who will support anybody for the sake of the religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 The reason Indians are proud of this cretin who denigrates Indian culture is because we are a culture with an insecurity/victim complex. Right on. Why should Indians feel "proud" that Jindal's parents left India to make life better for their kids??? What short of logic is that? By that every Congress party member should be extremely proud of Bihari/UP migrants that go to Delhi to seek a job and make life better for their kids. I mention Congress because only recently Sonia Gandhi met the "pride" of India Sunita Williams. So why do we hear the Delhi CM commenting on why migration to Delhi should be stopped??? There is NO reason, in my book, why Indians should feel proud at all about Jindal. And I dont blame them(or Jindal) for this. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Lurker why should anyone be proud of anyone else's accomplishments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
head coach Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I have no problems if he upholds his american identity over his roots. Every 2nd Gen will have to accept that and the sooner they do' date=' it is better for themselves. But I see nothing in this for the "Indian" to feel proud about, because he is successful not because he is a dark-skinned Indian or for upholding his "Indian"ness, but he is because he is a hardcore christian, hardcore than most of the whites. That is the reason for his win. [b']The "brain washed" bit was for the evangelicals who will support anybody for the sake of the religion. If you follow American politics you know that there is no wide margin between two parties and its followers. Conservatives always score more when it comes to republican base and liberals score more in a democratic base. What Jindal achieved is he was able to communicate clearly his ideas and ambitions about the state and also get support of people who didn't belong to both parties. I see a great future for him if he continues this run. It seems most of you want an Indian to be successful only if he follows Indian tradition. This is called narrow mindedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Lurker why should anyone be proud of anyone else's accomplishments? Thats a deep question Yoda you sure you want me to answer that(may run into pages :hysterical: ) Here's a quick summary. One feels proud of others achievement if there is some sense of co-relation with him. I wouldnt give a dam'n if an American sprinter broke 100 m speed record . I can appreciate it but proud of it? Nah. Even though I do have some sort of relation I suppose (as member of same species and all that). You feel proud of people/things that are related to you..like family, country, ancestors and so on. In this particular instance I can not see how anyone can relate to Jindal. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Thats a deep question Yoda you sure you want me to answer that(may run into pages :hysterical: ) Here's a quick summary. One feels proud of others achievement if there is some sense of co-relation with him. I wouldnt give a dam'n if an American sprinter broke 100 m speed record . I can appreciate it but proud of it? Nah. Even though I do have some sort of relation I suppose (as member of same species and all that). You feel proud of people/things that are related to you..like family, country, ancestors and so on. In this particular instance I can not see how anyone can relate to Jindal. xx So, were you proud of Kaps and co when they won the cup in 1983? Or was it kinda same as the hype surrounding Jindal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 If you follow American politics you know that there is no wide margin between two parties and its followers. Conservatives always score more when it comes to republican base and liberals score more in a democratic base. What Jindal achieved is he was able to communicate clearly his ideas and ambitions about the state and also get support of people who didn't belong to both parties. I see a great future for him if he continues this run. Jindal won because Democracts made a hash of Katrina. Simple as that. It seems most of you want an Indian to be successful only if he follows Indian tradition. This is called narrow mindedness. Actually I would be interested if you could pull out examples of other nations where ex-pats success is celebrated(please dont include Pakistan as they are not any different). Never saw an Englishman go gaga over Sean Connery being celebrated in USA..or an Aussie about Nicole Kidman successful in USA(and I suppose we can both agree on Kidman and Connery being much bigger figure than Jindal)...but yeah it would be interesting if you could pull out some examples that helps show why you think Indians are narrow-minded. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 So' date=' were you proud of Kaps and co when they won the cup in 1983? Or was it kinda same as the hype surrounding Jindal?[/quote'] Well that was just a wee bit too early for me. I do remember 1985 WSC though and yes I was extremely proud when we won. We were world champions and the best damn team in the world. Of course I was proud. Was it hyped as much as Jindal...that kinda doesnt make sense does it? I mean 85 team was an Indian team while Jindal is not an Indian. Let me give you a comparable example Yoda, if that helps. I felt proud of Rakesh Sharma and Ravish Malhotra. I did not feel anything when it came to Sunita Williams. xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
head coach Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Well being an immigrant myself like most of you here i can join with Jindal on saying this: If you have a dream and if you play by the rules in USA you can achieve anything you want. Just look at all the Indian entrepreneurs who have succeeded in this country. It is just how the country is made up. India is slowly getting there at least you see signs in cities. But you can only say India prospering if this gets to the villages where majority lives. :two_thumbs_up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Well being an immigrant myself like most of you here i can join with Jindal on saying this: If you have a dream and if you play by the rules in USA you can achieve anything you want. Just look at all the Indian entrepreneurs who have succeeded in this country. It is just how the country is made up. India is slowly getting there at least you see signs in cities. But you can only say India prospering if this gets to the villages where majority lives. :two_thumbs_up: And I have no problems with that. I shall go back to my very first post where I clearly mentioned why I can not see the reason of Jindal's success being celebrated in India. There is hardly any reason why it was the headline in a Mumbai newspaper. Some members have mentioned how Jindal has said things not exactly favourable for India but since I havent seen it myself I will stay clear of it. xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aditi Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is he ABCD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 It seems most of you want an Indian to be successful only if he follows Indian tradition. This is called narrow mindedness. If he is a winner, more power to him. Don't tell me to feel happy for him because he is a "Indian" American. He is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Well that was just a wee bit too early for me. I do remember 1985 WSC though and yes I was extremely proud when we won. xxx Why? Did you in anyway contribute to their win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Why? Did you in anyway contribute to their win? We had kind of discussed this in a completely unrelated thread about porn..history repeats itself. I felt proud because my team won, the team that represented the nation I am a citizen of. Wouldnt have felt anything if any other country would have won. It is the co-relation I talked about before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 We had kind of discussed this in a completely unrelated thread about porn..history repeats itself. I felt proud because my team won, the team that represented the nation I am a citizen of. Wouldnt have felt anything if any other country would have won. It is the co-relation I talked about before. And does the co-relation have to be exactly the same for all of us? Is it possible that some Indians do and can feel proud of even those of Indian origin as opposed to just "current" Indian citizens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Is he ABCD? Yes. He is eligible, if he runs for President. His meteoric rise is compared to Obama and if he succeeds as a Governer, we can see him in Presidential elections in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
head coach Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Jindal won because Democracts made a hash of Katrina. Simple as that. Actually I would be interested if you could pull out examples of other nations where ex-pats success is celebrated(please dont include Pakistan as they are not any different). Never saw an Englishman go gaga over Sean Connery being celebrated in USA..or an Aussie about Nicole Kidman successful in USA(and I suppose we can both agree on Kidman and Connery being much bigger figure than Jindal)...but yeah it would be interesting if you could pull out some examples that helps show why you think Indians are narrow-minded. xxx Lurker, You feel proud as an Indian American because Jindal's parents migrated to United states as many other Indians did and Jindal was able to rise through the political system in this country. Schwarzenegger and jindal represent the new breed of politicians who learnt the game of their own. And if you are on the other side wondering why you cannot do all that and look at the shades of his religion for all his success then I say it is first class narrow minded attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aditi Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yes. He is eligible' date=' if he runs for President. His meteoric rise is compared to Obama and if he succeeds as a Governer, we can see him in Presidential elections in future.[/quote'] haha he STILL won't get my vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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