Viv Richards vs. Dennis Lillee

[Guest HariSampath]

Anakin is here to supply the comedy track in a serious movie, I think :haha:

[Gaurav]

The only FACT in this debate is that you cannot compare players from different era. It's silly really to say X was better than Y. They were all great. Currently Tendu is playing and he most definitely is a legend! Even Bradman thought that Tendu was dog's bollocks!

[Holysmoke]

If thw Windies team of the 1980s had all the facilities of the year 2007' date=' like diet, training, physiotherapy, protective gear while sliding and diving etc.... they would have easily outfielded any team of today[/quote'] Probably. But that wasnt my question, was it. My question was, that if the windies team of the 80's were to play the aussies of today, would they outfield the aussies. If this then that nahin. Yes ya No?

[Predator_05]

The only FACT in this debate is that you cannot compare players from different era. It's silly really to say X was better than Y. They were all great. Currently Tendu is playing and he most definitely is a legend! Even Bradman thought that Tendu was dog's bollocks!

Exactamente... Comparisons between players from different eras = Bullsh*t

[Guest HariSampath]

There would only be ONE result; Bradman seeing his middle stump knocked off by Agarkar's trademark INSWINGING YORKER BOOM

Forget about getting Bradman bowled. I doubt if Agarkar will be able to hit the stumps before which Bradman stood, even if they were left exposed with no batsmen

[Guest HariSampath]

Probably. But that wasnt my question' date=' was it. My question was, that if the windies team of the 80's were to play the aussies of today, would they outfield the aussies. If this then that nahin. Yes ya No?[/quote'] Well the Windies team of the 80s will be 20-35 years older than the Aussies of today, so if they play now, maybe the Aussies will be able to outclass them, and also Marshall can't compete in bowling as he is dead ( RIP MM)

[Holysmoke]

Well the Windies team of the 80s will be 20-35 years older than the Aussies of today' date=' so if they play now, maybe the Aussies will be able to outclass them, and also Marshall can't compete in bowling as he is dead ( RIP MM)[/quote'] Wow. Why do I even bother.

[Lurker]

Well the Windies team of the 80s will be 20-35 years older than the Aussies of today' date=' so if they play now, maybe the Aussies will be able to outclass them, and also Marshall can't compete in bowling as he is dead ( RIP MM)[/quote'] :hysterical::hysterical: Roy Glichrist and Wesley Griffith would be 40 years older but atleast they could now chuck away a la some of the contemprory :P

[Gaurav]

Bradman never missed a Tendulkar innings in last five years August 16, 2001 Sir Donald Bradman was first impressed by Sachin Tendulkar while watching a one-day game against Australia in the 1996 World Cup and never missed a chance to see an innings from the Indian maestro after that, the book 'Bradman's Best' reveals. "Australia won (that match) but not before a stunning 90 from Tendulkar that captured the Don's attention," the book, which chronicles each of the 12 members of the 'Dream Team' selected by Bradman, says in the chapter 'The Star of India'. The book, authored by Roland Perry which has seen just half a day in the shops, has already become a best-seller with a strong response reported from buyers. "He was most taken in by Tendulkar's technique, compactness and his shot production and had asked his wife to have a look at the Indian as he felt that Tendulkar played like he had. Jessie agreed that they appeared similar. "Bradman never missed a chance to see Tendulkar from then until the end of the 1999 three-match Test series in Australia," the book says. "Bradman ranked Brian Lara and Tendulkar as the best batsmen in the world and found it difficult to judge who was better. He thought that Tendulkar had a very sound defence while Lara was marginally more aggressive and took more risks. "By 2000, he held the view that they were the best in world cricket, but that Tendulkar just pipped Lara as the world's number one," it says. Perry adds that by mid-1998, after watching Tendulkar destroy Australia in Tests and one-day games in India, Bradman ranked him with Barry Richards, Arthur Morris and Gary Sobers. "Not long after that series against Australia, Tendulkar received the invitation of a lifetime to join Shane Warne in meeting Bradman at his Kensington Park home in Adelaide on his 90th birthday (August 27, 1998). Tendulkar was honoured to be told by Bradman that he was today's best batsman. They discussed Gary Sobers, whom Bradman had long regarded as the best cricketer of all time," the book reads. On their meeting, Perry writes, "Tendulkar asked Bradman how he prepared himself before a big match. Bradman replied that when he was in Adelaide he would go to his job as a sharebroker for several hours before going to the ground. "Sometimes he would even toss the coin still wearing his suit. After the game he would return to the office for several more hours. When he was playing games away from Adelaide, he would go for a long walk before and after the match. "After the meeting, Bradman told Perry how impressed he was with Tendulkar and how he expected him to go on to even greater achievements. With a little luck, he will have another decade at the top, the Don told Perry. "Sir Don found Sunil Gavaskar a fine technician but thought his chief fault was lack of aggression. Bradman noted, it is not sufficient to keep the ball out of the stumps and not give a catch. There is need to attack, take the initiative from the bowlers and set up conditions for the batsmen to follow. "After the Don stopped South Africa from touring Australia in 1971-72, he had set up alternative teams. The world squad included Sunil Gavaskar, Gary Sobers, FM Engineer, Rohan Kanhai, Zaheer Abbas, Clive Lloyd and Tony Greig," it says. The book also contains a letter by Gavaskar to Tendulkar when the latter failed to win the Mumbai Cricket Associations Best Junior Cricketer Award. "The 'Little Master' commended Tendulkar on his performance and asked him not to be disappointed. Gavaskar wrote, If you look at the best award winners, you will find one name missing and that person has not done too badly in Test cricket!!"

[Bongosamaj]

Categoric LIE. West Indies defeated Pakistan in a series in 1977 and West Indies won IN Pakistan in 1981. yet another lie, lies exposed.

Calling Bossbhai...answer please...bhago mat,jung bahadur...bhago mat !

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[Bongosamaj]

huh .. .. Iam talking about the mid to late 80s ... when Imran was the captain .. every TDH knows that Imrans team gave the Windies a run for their money ... and were involved in some fantastic dog fights ...

You said in their lifetimes. Thread is about Viv, Lillee, Windies of that era. It is categoric that WI defeated Pakistan both home and away in their era. Now, be a good little boy and apologize for your error. And yes, Imran's team gave the windies a run for their money- just like India sometimes gave Aussies a run for their money. Big facking deal! Point is, you LIED about West Indies not winning against Pakistan in their lifetimes. Accept your lie, apologize and move on. Either that, or you yet again exposed your massive shortcommings in the English language,which i tire of pointing out. Perhaps you should've attended a better high school in Karnataka. That'd be a good boy, champ.

[Predator_05]

You said in their lifetimes. Thread is about Viv, Lillee, Windies of that era. It is categoric that WI defeated Pakistan both home and away in their era. Now, be a good little boy and apologize for your error. And yes, Imran's team gave the windies a run for their money- just like India sometimes gave Aussies a run for their money. Big facking deal! Point is, you LIED about West Indies not winning against Pakistan in their lifetimes. Accept your lie, apologize and move on. Either that, or you yet again exposed your massive shortcommings in the English language,which i tire of pointing out. Perhaps you should've attended a better high school in Karnataka. That'd be a good boy, champ.

CC yaar, you can easily make your points without these cheap shots. This is an interesting debate and stuff like that just sours the atmosphere and will eventually lead people away from the cricket related discussion and into the boring abuse fests we have seen before. Rehne do yaar.

[head coach]

Lara the best ever? By Martin Gough Some say it is impossible to compare players of different eras, but that is the easy way out. Lara secures new record Lara's career in photos There is no doubt Brian Lara, Test cricket's new leading run-scorer, is among the greats. But how does he rate alongside recognised legends like Donald Bradman, Len Hutton, Garfield Sobers, Graeme Pollock and even Sachin Tendulkar from the modern era? His 226 against Australia in Adelaide was just another outstanding display by the graceful, cavalier left-hander nicknamed the Prince of Port of Spain. The problem is that number of runs scored is just one of the ways of ranking the best batsmen ever. Lara passed Australia's Allan Border in the runs list, but Border's achievement has generally been seen as a triumph of longevity rather than batting brilliance. It certainly was not a mark anyone expected Lara to pass five years ago, when he was widely believed to have retired just before a tour of England. TOP RUN-SCORERS BC Lara (WI) 11,187 in 121 Tests AR Border (Aus) 11,174 in 156 SR Waugh (Aus) 10927 in 168 SR Tendulkar (Ind) 10134 in 123 SM Gavaskar (Ind) 10122 in 125 Batsman with over 8,000 runs Lara struggled to live up to the hype after his purple patch of 1994, when he hit a then Test record 375, closely followed by a first-class record 501 not out for Warwickshire. Deposed as captain in favour of Jimmy Adams, he missed an entire home season, while rumours swirled about his mental well-being. When he made his Test debut he was just one part of a hugely successful West Indies team, a junior to the likes of Viv Richards, Gordon Greenidge and Desmond Haynes. But as the greats retired and the results dipped, the pressure grew on Lara to carry the load. As captain, he appeared better at leading by deed rather than word, and there were times when he carried the side with his own achievements. He is without doubt the best batsmen of his generation From Powerpak Have your say on TMS Only in the last year or so has a new, more mellow, Lara been on display, happy to play the role of senior pro without expecting the rest of the team to copy his achievements. Lara set the new record mark in his 121st Test. Border played 156 Tests, a feat only surpassed by his successor as Aussie captain Steve Waugh, who sits just behind him in the list of run-scorers. Bradman, generally recognised as the best ever, stands 29th, as he made 6,996 runs in 52 Tests. Bradman's batting average of 99.94 makes him by far the most consistent batsman ever and many below him in that chart are heroes of the middle of the last century. Pollock is a rival to Lara as the greatest left-hander ever, although his career was cut short by South African isolation. HIGHEST TEST AVERAGES DG Bradman (Aus) 6,996 runs at 99.94 (52 Tests) RG Pollock (SA) 2,256 at 60.97 (23 Tests) GA Headley (WI) 2,190 at 60.83 (22 Tests) H Sutcliffe (Eng) 4,555 at 60.73 (54 Tests) E Paynter (Eng) 1,540 at 59.23 (20 Tests) And George Headley - grandfather of former England bowler Dean - was dubbed the "Black Bradman" for his feats as the first West Indies batting great between 1930 and '54. Uncovered pitches made batting more of an adventure back then, although teams tended only to use two out-and-out pace bowlers. But whether either of those batsmen would be able to sustain an average of above 60 given today's heavier schedules is just another topic for debate. Even in rating the best of the current crop it is tough to split Lara and Tendulkar, who boasts a slightly better average but a lower aggregate. Of potential English greats, Herbert Sutcliffe played 54 Tests between 1924 and '35, and his average could have been better were he not an opening batsman. BEST INDIVIDUAL SCORES 400no BC Lara WI v Eng 2004 380 ML Hayden Aus v Zim, 2003 375 BC Lara WI v Eng, 1994 365no GS Sobers WI v Pak, 1958 364 L Hutton Eng v Aus, 1938 Hutton was Bradman's contemporary and rival, and the 364 he hit at The Oval in 1938 was a record for 20 years, until Sobers broke the mark. Lara bettered Sobers' unbeaten 365 nine years ago, saw his record broken by Australia's Matthew Hayden, and set a new mark against England in April 2004. Bob Woolmer, currently in charge of Pakistan and Lara's coach at Warwickshire in the mid-1990s, said: "I have always felt he is the premier batsman of his era. "He has five double-hundreds, a 375, a 400 and a 501. "Anyone who can score that prolifically has to be one of the greatest batsmen of all time, not just of his era." It may be the easy way out, but Lara is certainly one of the best ever.

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[Gaurav]

Head coach I will take Bradman's observation over some Martin Gough. Actually I will take my own observation over others and my own observation is that Tendu is the best!

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[Ram]

There would only be ONE result; Bradman seeing his middle stump knocked off by Agarkar's trademark INSWINGING YORKER BOOM

Brilliant ! :two_thumbs_up:

[Predator_05]

Forget about getting Bradman bowled. I doubt if Agarkar will be able to hit the stumps before which Bradman stood' date=' even if they were left exposed with no batsmen[/quote'] ??? 2 points; 1) HOW can Bradman stand next to the stumps leaving them exposed "with no batsmen" ? Is he invisible or something, like that guy from the Fantastic Four ? If so, he has my rEzPeKt, 'cos ghosts are super cool...:thumbs_up: 2) Bradman leaves all three stumps exposed ? He must have been a real sh*tty batsman then ? 'cos not even the most brain-dead tailender would ever expose all his stumps in modern day cricket. Tendulkar definitely wouldn't :D

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