sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 But no one who matters doubted it...has he been reported by umpire who can watch him live ? Yeah some fans think he chuks but most of them are ignorant about chucking they think bent arm is choking while truth is different and I do not need to explain you as you already know . He hasn't been reported by umpires. But no one even in the past thought he had a clean action. Bedi called him a chucker. The same Bedi didn't raise a word about Swann, Lyon or Ashwin.
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 But ajmal has been proven as chucker...and anyone with the naked eye could see ajmal was a chucker....if ajmal was proven doesn't mean everyone with allegation will also be proven And anyone with the naked eye can see that Bhajji's doosra is illegal and his normal action is doubtful too. Ajmal's allegations being proven does not mean Bhajji's will be proven too. But that doesn't dissolve the doubts reg Bhajji's action. Considering the tests that have been going on, no one can say for sure that Bhajji would clear these tests. The old tests hold no value now. See ICC is doing a good job. Now they should be ruthless and go after everyone doubtful. If they clear it, cool. If not, too bad. Look at Adnan Rasool. Doubtful case. Bowlers with such doubtful cases will keep popping up and what happens to all those wickets they take before they get reported? We should finish this problem once and for all. I actually want Bhajji and Ojha to get reported. I want to see if they can clear it. We have taken the right steps in eradicating crappy actions and we need to go for the kill.
Old guy Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 He hasn't been reported by umpires. But no one even in the past thought he had a clean action. Bedi called him a chucker. The same Bedi didn't raise a word about Swann, Lyon or Ashwin. There is difference between perfect action and non perfect but acceptable action and I am not even sure majority of people even think he chucks ..so no one thinks it clean totally depends on where you have been reading it :winky:
kira Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 There is difference between perfect action and non perfect but acceptable action and I am not even sure majority of people even think he chucks ..so no one thinks it clean totally depends on where you have been reading it :winky: He has been reading too much of the Padosi forum:whack:
Old guy Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 He has been reading too much of the Padosi forum:whack: I like to stay away from those type of places :icflove:
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 There is difference between perfect action and non perfect but acceptable action and I am not even sure majority of people even think he chucks ..so no one thinks it clean totally depends on where you have been reading it :winky: I know that. Many Indians even here are not impressed with Ojha's action. Let him get tested and prove his worth. Of course that's not in his hands as he has to play first to get scrutinized but just saying. Anyways, the larger point is that bowlers with little dodgy actions will start popping up all over. By the time they get reported and tested, they might have done a lot of damage. Now since ICC is taking a clear stance, it would be actually good for world cricket if they ruthlessly go after every bowler whose action is doubtful. We will know where things stand. If a guy like Ojha gets banned (God forbid), we will know for sure that if a bowler doesn't look clean, he is chucking and umpires would confidently call them out the moment they see them. Right now there is an element of doubt which delays the reporting process. What happens to all the wickets they take in between? Go for the kill. If Ojha clears it, so be it. If he gets banned, so be it. He has been reading too much of the Padosi forum:whack: You think my views are shaped by what others in that forum say? Actually no. This has been my stance for a long time. By the way, are you okay with Adnan Rassol's action? If not, why not the same case for Ojha?
Old guy Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 I know that. Many Indians even here are not impressed with Ojha's action. Let him get tested and prove his worth. Of course that's not in his hands as he has to play first to get scrutinized but just saying. Anyways, the larger point is that bowlers with little dodgy actions will start popping up all over. By the time they get reported and tested, they might have done a lot of damage. Now since ICC is taking a clear stance, it would be actually good for world cricket if they ruthlessly go after every bowler whose action is doubtful. We will know where things stand. If a guy like Ojha gets banned (God forbid), we will know for sure that if a bowler doesn't look clean, he is chucking and umpires would confidently call them out the moment they see them. Right now there is an element of doubt which delays the reporting process. What happens to all the wickets they take in between? Go for the kill. If Ojha clears it, so be it. If he gets banned, so be it. You think my views are shaped by what others in that forum say? Actually no. This has been my stance for a long time. By the way, are you okay with Adnan Rassol's action? If not, why not the same case for Ojha? So it should happen in proper way...first he needs to get reported you just cannot call him chucker based on trolls posting and one ex cricketer calling everyone a chucker .. Umpire in India are strict as you have read in op so if they do not have problem he has no reason to worry and trust me this guy has bowled plenty of overs in domestic cricket and county and no one has a problem
kira Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 You think my views are shaped by what others in that forum say? Actually no. This has been my stance for a long time. By the way, are you okay with Adnan Rassol's action? If not, why not the same case for Ojha? Adnan Rassol...hmmm....I haven't seen him bowl but if he is a pakistani bowler then there is a very high chance that he chucks......ohja hasn't even been reported so your accusation is baseless....let him get reported first
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 So it should happen in proper way...first he needs to get reported you just cannot call him chucker based on trolls posting and one ex cricketer calling everyone a chucker .. Umpire in India are strict as you have read in op so if they do not have problem he has no reason to worry and trust me this guy has bowled plenty of overs in domestic cricket and county and no one has a problem First of all, I never called Ojha a chucker. I said Bedi did. He has a dodgy action and I am pointing that out. Second of all, yes he must play to get his action scrutinized. Third of all, yes there is validity to the point that he didn't have any problems in county cricket. Even Bhajji wasn't called any names when he toured England. Ajmal was because he was overdoing it too much. Yes things look the best for Ojha compared to other spinners who have dodgy actions but still we don't know whether its safe. The reason being that we have no frame of reference now. The new tests have made every other tests in the past irrelevant. Fourth of all, trolls will be trolls. They will even call Ashwin a chucker.
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Adnan Rassol...hmmm....I haven't seen him bowl but if he is a pakistani bowler then there is a very high chance that he chucks......ohja hasn't even been reported so your accusation is baseless....let him get reported first Accusations? I said he has a dodgy action. That is a fact. Whether his action is legal or not (in the new tests) is yet to be validated.
Old guy Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 First of all, I never called Ojha a chucker. I said Bedi did. He has a dodgy action and I am pointing that out. Second of all, yes he must play to get his action scrutinized. Third of all, yes there is validity to the point that he didn't have any problems in county cricket. Even Bhajji wasn't called any names when he toured England. Ajmal was because he was overdoing it too much. Yes things look the best for Ojha compared to other spinners who have dodgy actions but still we don't know whether its safe. The reason being that we have no frame of reference now. The new tests have made every other tests in the past irrelevant. Fourth of all, trolls will be trolls. They will even Ashwin a chucker. Don't pay attention to them. It's dodgy based on what ? With bhajji problem was with one particular delivery not his entire action and he stopped bowling it all together for many years
Old guy Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Accusations? I said he has a dodgy action. That is a fact. Whether his action is legal or not (in the new tests) is yet to be validated. Actually it's not really fact ,I never saw it but some guys did and mostly after bedi started it
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 It's dodgy based on what ? With bhajji problem was with one particular delivery not his entire action and he stopped bowling it all together for many years There is a definite extension in his arm. Why do you think even Indians (right here) feel the same? They don't do it for Ashwin. Why just Ojha? Dodgy doesn't mean illegal. It means more scrutiny is needed.
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Actually it's not really fact ' date='I never saw it but some guys did and mostly after bedi started it[/quote'] See my other post.
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Actually it's not really fact ' date='[b']I never saw it but some guys did and mostly after bedi started it xGAidKERKHI
kira Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 There is a definite extension in his arm. Why do you think even Indians (right here) feel the same? They don't do it for Ashwin. Why just Ojha? Dodgy doesn't mean illegal. It means more scrutiny is needed. If Bedi hadn't called it ...would ppl still have questioned his action????
Old guy Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 There is a definite extension in his arm. Why do you think even Indians (right here) feel the same? They don't do it for Ashwin. Why just Ojha? Dodgy doesn't mean illegal. It means more scrutiny is needed. Well if umpire who are in best position to see him do not feel it's illegal than everything else is baseless no? You cannot jut test every bowler who does not has 100 percent perfect action it's not feasible Also again I am gonna ask you simple thing..,everyone has extension you cannot bowl without it or turn bowl without but is it really that obvious in case of ojha ? I do not think so...and most umpires agree with my view
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 Well if umpire who are in best position to see him do not feel it's illegal than everything else is baseless no? You cannot jut test every bowler who does not has 100 percent perfect action it's not feasible The same logic can be said for Ajmal too. Everyone was using his 2009 test results. Umpires had full rights to call him whenever they wanted (after 2009) and none did. NOT EVEN the county ones. We know how that turned out in the end. See the video above. Ojha's bend and extension is definitely on the gray side. Calling his action dodgy is a perfectly reasonable statement.
sensible-indian Posted September 14, 2014 Posted September 14, 2014 If Bedi hadn't called it ...would ppl still have questioned his action???? Yes. With the new test results, absolutely. His bend and extension is on the gray side.
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