Dil Dil India Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 *excluding Zimbabwe Kohli 6 centuries in 36 innings Sangakkara 6 centuries in 64 innings Also, Kohli now has 6 series outside the SC out of which he has averaged 50+ in 3 of them, Sangakkara has played 15 series outside the SC out of which he has averaged 50+ in 3 of them(and that is counting a 1 test in Aus as a series!) It's even more mind boggling when you consider that Sangakkara has been playing from 2000 and Kohli started playing tests circa 2011. Also, Kohli's playing longer test series and it could be argued that a longer series is harder on the batsmen on a tough away tour (see Rahane in England - after 2 tests there he had a great average but fell away as the series progressed) and Sangakkara's has NEVER averaged 40+ in a 3 test series outside the SC. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/50710.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=start;template=results;type=batting;view=series http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;orderby=start;template=results;type=batting;view=series
Raghav_12 Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Don't think Sanga is or should be a target for Kohli. You should target some ATG.
Cricket_Hacker Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 does Kohli have a triple/double against Bangladesh away from home?
Dil Dil India Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 Don't think Sanga is or should be a target for Kohli. You should target some ATG. Haha we don't agree on Federer/Nadal but when it comes to the "real deal" we are all one eh? :winky: Agree with you totally. I brought up Sanga because he's lauded as some ATG when he's got 19/37 centuries vs Bangla/Zim/Pak(not some great Pak attacks but totally phattas where YK, Samaraweera and the like have filled their boots not to mention terrible fielding of Pak who invariably drop Sanga). He lucked out in England this year on pancakes otherwise he would have averaged 30 there as well. This guy is the biggest fraud in international cricket and Sanga fans have the gall to compare him to Lara, Tendulkar and Ponting :--D:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
Dil Dil India Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 does Kohli have a triple/double against Bangladesh away from home? India tour Bangladesh next year. Don't think he particularly cares about filling his boots vs them though, that is Sanga territory.
Captain Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Don't think Sanga is or should be a target for Kohli. You should target some ATG. This! Kohli's target should be to become an ATG not a FTB.
Dil Dil India Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 This! Kohli's target should be to become an ATG not a FTB. I agree but a bit of FTB and home pitch/weak team bashing will push his average up to what it deserves to be. He's done brilliantly away from home bar one series in England so a little Sanga style home bashing/weak attack bashing is all he needs to pad his stats.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Sanga is a great batsman. Avg 47 outside SC and has another tour of SA, WI to fix stats there. He has played fewer matches outside SC but done well in them. Centuries are not everything otherwise VVS would be terrible player. Jayawardane is not a great but how can u say Sanga isn't? He recently scored heavily on same pitches Kohli struggled to get past 40 in. He too has done well in Aus in 5 or so matches he has played.
Captain Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 I agree but a bit of FTB and home pitch/weak team bashing will push his average up to what it deserves to be. He's done brilliantly away from home bar one series in England so a little Sanga style home bashing/weak attack bashing is all he needs to pad his stats. True. Kohli's average right now doesn't really show his quality as a player.That being said,i'm sure Kohli will get his average into the 50's in the next couple of years.
Dil Dil India Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 That 47 includes Zimbabwe. Without that it's around 42...which includes the recent pitches on dead pitches (of the kind where Bhuvaneshwar Kumar was hitting twin fifties in a test and nothing like what India got at Lords). Centuries are important because they define a player...the only thing that stopped Laxman from being an ATG was that he didn't fill his boots enough and hit enough tons when the going was easy so that's incorrect. Re. Sanga. He is a very good batsman but vastly overrated. In difficult conditions he is no better than Yousuf, Sehwag, Younis Khan etc who are all labelled FTBs. Sanga's Aus record is basically built on 1 innings and that literally is his only "great" record in difficult conditions and funnily enough he got that ton in a match where Jayawardene also got a ton. Surprise!
Dil Dil India Posted December 28, 2014 Author Posted December 28, 2014 True. Kohli's average right now doesn't really show his quality as a player.That being said,i'm sure Kohli will get his average into the 50's in the next couple of years. I hope so man! Another test batsmen with 30+ centuries in tests would be nice and with the way Kohli plays I'm certain he'll help us win an away series somewhere down the line.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 That 47 includes Zimbabwe. Without that it's around 42...which includes the recent pitches on dead pitches (of the kind where Bhuvaneshwar Kumar was hitting twin fifties in a test and nothing like what India got at Lords). Centuries are important because they define a player...the only thing that stopped Laxman from being an ATG was that he didn't fill his boots enough and hit enough tons when the going was easy so that's incorrect. Re. Sanga. He is a very good batsman but vastly overrated. In difficult conditions he is no better than Yousuf, Sehwag, Younis Khan etc who are all labelled FTBs. Sanga's Aus record is basically built on 1 innings and that literally is his only "great" record in difficult conditions and funnily enough he got that ton in a match where Jayawardene also got a ton. Surprise! Are you sure it does include Zim? if so it is indeed low. Can you find the exact stat? Im just saying what I read and I believe the guy that posted it was talking about WI, SA, ENG, NZ, AUS only...
Captain Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Sanga is a great batsman. Avg 47 outside SC and has another tour of SA, WI to fix stats there. He has played fewer matches outside SC but done well in them. Centuries are not everything otherwise VVS would be terrible player. Jayawardane is not a great but how can u say Sanga isn't? He recently scored heavily on same pitches Kohli struggled to get past 40 in. He too has done well in Aus in 5 or so matches he has played. Australia - 5 Matches - 60.33 Avg England - 11 Matches - 41.04 Avg New Zealand - 5 Matches - 48.71 Avg South Africa - 8 Matches - 35.75 Avg West Indies - 4 Matches - 34 Avg Hardly an ATG. EDIT ; I got the NZ avg wrong.I corrected it now.
India-KXIP fan Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Australia - 5 Matches - 60.33 Avg England - 11 Matches - 41.04 Avg New Zealand - 5 Matches - 38.67 Avg South Africa - 8 Matches - 35.75 Avg West Indies - 4 Matches - 34 Avg Hardly an ATG. Interesting....I didn't think it was so low. I agree not ATG status at all by the looks of it.
Cricket_Hacker Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Sanga's england average was in the low 30's before he cashed in on some easy conditions in the early summer
India-KXIP fan Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Sanga's england average was in the low 30's before he cashed in on some easy conditions in the early summer Cmon now...it wasn't easy to score in England early or later summer.
Cricket_Hacker Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 Cmon now...it wasn't easy to score in England early or later summer. for the 2 tests vs Lanka and first 2 India tests,conditions were really easy,England was experiencing an Indian summer,no movement in the air,and pitches were flat
India-KXIP fan Posted December 28, 2014 Posted December 28, 2014 for the 2 tests vs Lanka and first 2 India tests' date='conditions were really easy,England was experiencing an Indian summer,no movement in the air,and pitches were flat[/quote'] First 2 tests for India? That included green pitch at Lords where Rahane played really well. Still it wasn't easy first 2 tests. Ball was swinging for Bhuvi until 80th over when he got 6 fer so there was movement. Just ask Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan it wasn't easy in any test :--D If it was like India Kohli, Pujara, Dhawan, Rohit would have cashed in big at some stage regardless of form like they would in India.
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