India old and selfish : Chappell

[bharat297]

Chappell had a 3-year stint with South Australia before ... and in those years they ran Last, Second Last and Second Last so by his standards he should be happy with what he achieved in India. :giggle:

[Sachinism]

I really want the oldies in our team to throw some shi.t on this b@sta@rd by winning the series down under....

i wish tendulkar scores 600+ runs in the test and someone like ganguly and dravid chips in with quite a few i wish someone would tell greg :finger:

[praveenj]

God doesn't do everything on his own... he lets others follow him to victory, if they don't follow, that's their problem...

[bharat297]

^ Are you saying that Chappell led India towards victory, but India didnt follow so its all the players' fault?

[praveenj]

^ Are you saying that Chappell led India towards victory' date=' but India didnt follow so its all the players' fault?[/quote'] dude, I was talking about Sachin... :) Ref: Previous post to mine that brief conversation was actually out of this post's context...

[bharat297]

Oh ok .. sorry got confused.

[Bumper]

Chappell talks utter rubbish these days. Why is he still talking about Indian cricket, after he has left us ? While backing youngsters is good, just replacing all seniors with juniors suddenly will not get us any results. (He already learnt that with Raina, Kaif & Mongia, didnt he ?). Non performing seniors must be phased out & select juniors (such as Yuvraj) must be given chances. Replacing the entire middle order with youngsters will quickly take us the Pakistan or Bangladesh route.

[bharat297]

And also basing most of your batting and bowling around a 19year old (Pathan) is pretty stupid unless the guy is like one of the greatest ever players of all time.

[praveenj]

of course, pathan cannot do what kallis does for SA....

[Ram]

"But despite the disillusionment and the many frustrations, he is still trying to help a nation in which cricket is treated like a religion. He and long-term off-sider, former Victorian batsman Ian Frazer, have accepted a three-year job with the Rajasthan association, coaching teens." This really made by blood boil...

[Ram]

Can anybody get the video of the documentary ?

[Predator_05]

Chappell talks utter rubbish these days. Why is he still talking about Indian cricket' date=' after he has left us ?[/quote'] ...because he was, is and always will be a media wh0re ? Greg "Rent-a-quote" Chappell

[DesiChap]

Chappel the snake is the one who is old and selfish

[Anakin]

Fack him and his buddy. Both of them have screwed up the ind cricket enough already. I don't know why anyone in their right mind would waste more money on these two.

[Guest HariSampath]

God doesn't do everything on his own... he lets others follow him to victory' date=' if they don't follow, that's their problem...[/quote'] "God" helps those who help themselves :D

[gator]

not everything he says is wrong.... he was spot on about the world cup and my worst fear came true then.... if i ever saw the c0cksaker Vengsarkar, i will stuff his moustache down his throat..... he came and spoilt the whole thing.... a core group of 15 was being prepared for the last year and half, which won the series against 3 no:2 teams and this retard came and changed the whole team for the world cup.... only a country of dimwits like us will still tolerate the retarded selector...

[sreej]

not everything he says is wrong.... he was spot on about the world cup and my worst fear came true then.... if i ever saw the c0cksaker Vengsarkar, i will stuff his moustache down his throat..... he came and spoilt the whole thing.... a core group of 15 was being prepared for the last year and half, which won the series against 3 no:2 teams and this retard came and changed the whole team for the world cup.... only a country of dimwits like us will still tolerate the retarded selector...

I agree..

[Bumper]

From Prem Panicker's blog:

Throwing the coach out with the bathwater The bathwater is dirty; time, therefore, to flush the baby down the drain, is the tenor of this column by Zaheer Abbas. Speaking for myself, I am a bit tired of the argument former greats invariably trot out: ‘I didn’t need a foreign coach, why do you?’ The answer to that is, you are not playing today, hence you are in no position to judge what today’s requirements of a player and a team are. Don Bradman performed prodigies without a coach; so too did Rod Laver and dozens of superlative sportsmen of the past—which is not to say that Ricky Ponting or Roger Federer are any less as sportsmen because they have the services of coaches and other support staff. The central argument advanced here is even less defensible: Greg Chappell was a failure, ergo a foreign coach is doomed. Sorry, how did one plus one equal eleven, again? That is a bit like saying the last coach of Pakistan died in harness (and after all these investigations by everyone and his uncle, and a series of inquiries, we still cannot determine whether it is murder or natural death); ergo, the lesson to be learnt is that coaching Pakistan is a death sentence for whoever takes up the job. Greg Chappell failed for one simple reason: There was no commonality of vision. Chappell wanted to do things one way; the team and its individual components wanted to do things another way; the board oscillated first in one direction, then reversed tack and went the other way—the cumulative result being confusion, a lack of direction, an absence of cohesive, coherent vision, all together spelling chaos. The lesson you learn from that is not that a foreign coach is a prescription for instant disaster, but that a lack of cohesive thought, of a common vision that is subscribed to by all principals, is a short cut to disaster. Ergo, if and when the BCCI brings in a new coach, it might want to start things off by crafting, and underwriting, such a vision. It might want to bring the coach and the players together, to discuss and decide how things need to be done, what areas need to be focussed on, what methods employed, how players will be evaluated—in sum, discuss, decide, and agree on all the nuts and bolts that go into the making of the coaching machinery. And oh yes, it needs to set performance goals that everyone—coach, players, support staff—buy into. That done, the board then needs to tell all concerned that it will not tolerate any divergence from what has been agreed upon; it will not tolerate any politics either within the team, or among the coaching staff, or in that space in between, where the two wings of the team intersect. Do all of that, and a coach will be able to work constructively, within the agreed upon framework; do none of that, and you will merely have created fault lines that, sooner or later, will have a cataclysmic impact on the team and its performance. The Zaheer Abbas way, we will pretty soon revert to a distant past: Chappell didn’t work, ergo foreign coaches don’t work is an argument that can be extended to ‘Indian coaches didn’t work before, so we don’t need a coach at all’; ‘Fielders are still spilling catches, so why do we need a fielding coach?’ and so on. The need for the BCCI to think this through, and to underwrite the exercise, is in fact underlined by this story (link via email from Dinesh Nambisan).

“There was absolutely no need for a coach at this moment. We’re happy with the current support staff (Lalchand Rajput, Venkatesh Prasad and Robin Singh). We have a high comfort level with them and in any case this being our last tour of Australia, we don’t need someone to motivate us or tell us what we’re supposed to do,” said a senior player, not willing to be named for obvious reasons. The senior players’ tirade comes not because they have a problem with Kirsten per se but because they feel that since the team is gelling well as a unit, bringing someone at the helm of affairs days ahead of the crucial tour of Australia will prove counter-productive. “We have an issue with the timing of his appointment. Gary undoubtedly was a good player but when a new coach takes over it takes time for a team to warm up to him. He’ll come with his set of ideas which may, or may not be in sync with us. And Australia isn’t the right place for all that to happen. Ideally, they should have appointed him after the tour of Australia when the South Africans are here for a full Test tour,” added another senior.

So here we go—“senior players” who refuse to be named for “obvious reasons” are already busy undercutting the appointment—what does that say for the kind of cooperation the new coach will receive once he takes charge? The one thing such statements are guaranteed to do is ensure that the coach, when he steps into the dressing room for the first time, will do so with a mind shrouded by suspicion; he will know that there are some seniors who haven’t bought into his presence, and that in turn will make it an imperative for him to build his own set of supporters within the ranks. The BCCI will, meanwhile, ignore all of this—because typically, its modus operandi is to tinker with the little things, while leaving the big questions unaddressed. Talking of tinkering with little things, consider this story:

Another controversy surrounded Chief Selector Dilip Vengsarkar on Wednesday night following reports that he had been directed to select India’s team for the third cricket Test against Pakistan after discussions over telephone, a move he says has humiliated him. Vengsarkar, who had a run-in with the Cricket Board last week over his newspaper columns, has reportedly been told by the BCCI to discuss the team selection with four other selectors over telephone ahead of the third Test beginning in Bangalore from December 8.

The Times of India has the background on this:

The selectors claim that the board had originally decided to hold the meeting on December 4 in Kolkata to choose the teams for the third Test against Pakistan and the first leg of the Australia tour. Picking the Test captain for the tough tour down under was also on the agenda. But the board then “went back on its word” and changed the meeting date to December 5 and the venue to Bangalore. The selectors are “unhappy” that the changes have been effected without their consent. According to a senior official, some selectors have prior commitments and don’t see the logic in going all the way to Bangalore for “just one day”. As the two parties refused to budge from their respective stands, the board apparently told the selectors to choose the team for the third Test in Bangalore “over the phone”. “You can meet later to select the team for Australia,” they were told. “This is just not on. How can you choose teams over the phone? What if they want to make changes? Surely, a debate might ensure and that’s not possible over the phone. It is an Indian team selection after all,” fumed a senior official ‘fed up’ with both sides.

The board appointed the selection committee for a reason: to pick national sides as and when required. So why tinker, why meddle? What business is it of some functionary to tell the selectors on what date the team should be picked and where? What you have here is a case of little people with outsize egos, playing petty games of oneupmanship. When DBV was flavor of the month (consider that he was brought in because the previous incumbent turned out to be a touch too independent for comfort), anything was fine, up to and including ludicrous column contracts; now that he is out of favor, the board will spend its time and energy telling him which side of bed to get out of and precisely how to brush his teeth. Such games, such meddling, is what the board does—and it is all the board is capable of doing, because small minds cannot conceive of large visions. If there is one silver lining in all this, it is this: entertainment, for us on the sidelines, is now no longer restricted to the matches themselves; the ongoing soap that is the BCCI provides more drama, more amusement than the Ekta Kapoor soap factory. Posted by Prem on 11/29 at 09:21 AM Sport • Cricket • (36) Comments • (0) Trackbacks • Permalink Wednesday, November 28, 2007 The mind of the coach Just spent some time printing out previous issues of the newsletter Gary Kirsten, Paddy Upton and other members of the ‘Performance Zone’ have been sending out, on a wide range of sporting issues. Here’s a link to the archive; within it, clues to how the coach-to-be and his support staff think about the game. Posted by Prem on 11/28 at 04:54 PM Sport • Cricket • (8) Comments • (0) Trackbacks • Permalink And he comes to India! After his last howler denied Sangakkara a well-deserved double ton, Rudi Koertzen has set his sights on the India - Pakistan series. To be fair to him, though, he goes where ICC asks him to go. It could probably be an effort on the part of ICC to spice up the contest, generally perceived as not providing the usual oomph associated with an Indo-Pak cricket series. Have your blooper-counters handy folks, this could be fun! Posted by Karunakaran on 11/28 at 04:36 PM Sport • Cricket • (0) Comments • (0) Trackbacks • Permalink Reading between the lines Pegged on former Nottinghamshire and England keeper Chris Read, David Hopps in the Guardian examines some of the issues the ECB will face in context of the about-to-kick-off ICL.

Read is not cowed. “There has been a lot of disparaging talk from the Indian board but the mood here is upbeat,” he said. “I am an out-of-contract cricketer free to seek whatever employment I wish. I made my decision in good faith and I won’t renege on it. We should encourage English players to play in such competitions.” The ECB cannot contemplate a ban for Read, or the three other England players involved - Vikram Solanki, Paul Nixon and Darren Maddy - as it would be sued for restraint of trade. All four have summer-only county contracts. But there is no doubt where officialdom’s feelings lie. Giles Clarke, the ECB’s new chairman, has warned bluntly: “We regard this as a serious issue. Selectors will be instructed to take into consideration the fact that these players have taken part in unauthorised competition.” What is not illegal in law is, therefore, prejudicial in selection rooms. Read’s consolation is substantial. He will earn roughly £60,000 for three weeks’ work, which is comparable to his season’s salary at Nottinghamshire. Three English umpires are also involved: Ray Julian, now retired, plus David Evans and Trevor Jesty, neither of whom has an international future. The ECB bemoaned the lack of anti-corruption safeguards but did nothing.

[THX_1138]

It was earlier our perogative to listen to the opinion of this individual as he spoke from atop significant personal achievements and laurels showered on him by his colleagues and others. however, with his last ingression, it have become our IMPERATIVE that we win the test series down under.

[Brainfade]

OLD AND SELFISH - describes the man in the mirror, Mr. Chappell.