Of Money, Memorabilias, and Farewell Speeches

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Dont you guys realize how exshiting the game has become because of the umpiring gaffes ? Instead of a boring one sided series, we now have opened up the game for a possible draw & possibly even an outside chance of a Pak victory. This is what MM is driving at. Cricket must exshite people. Sheesh, took me a while to see the light!

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[Desi Cartman]

Bad Umpiring Neither Rudi Koertzen nor Simon Taufel were in the mood to give a single decision in favour of India's bowlers on Monday. There were at least 5-6 decent appeals which were very close and at least 2-3 should have been given. I also fail to understand why the commentators keep saying " at the end it was a good decision " . I could see Anil Kumble getting upset and rightly so. That guy deserved at least 2 more wickets. If this is how they are gonna umpire then this match will definitely end in a boring draw

[punjabiplaya]

agree the umpiring was very poor,arun lal was getting very frustrated and thast saying something,we could have had them all out ages ago! we could ahve won the second test if decisions against sami n misbah were given,i know they say decisions even themselves out,bt wehn there as straightforward as they were today you dont want cliches just the right decisions!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[Desi Cartman]

I hope the indians get their share of GOOD decisions when they come to Aus !

[MundaPakistani]

Umpiring was certainly quite poor today. As Shwetabh pointed out that the worst part is that they all went against the youngster and the come back man. This has happened to M Sami many times(including this series) and now it happened to the Indians.

[MundaPakistani]

Neither Rudi Koertzen nor Simon Taufel were in the mood to give a single decision in favour of India's bowlers on Monday. There were at least 5-6 decent appeals which were very close and at least 2-3 should have been given. I also fail to understand why the commentators keep saying " at the end it was a good decision " . I could see Anil Kumble getting upset and rightly so. That guy deserved at least 2 more wickets. If this is how they are gonna umpire then this match will definitely end in a boring draw

because when it is clipping the top of leg stump or if there is a double noise then the umps give the benefit to the batsmen.

[MundaPakistani]

Yes they would have ... there was no issue of the ball pitching outside leg in any of the decisions that we are taking about and the bat was 6 inches away from the ball in case of Misbah and Akmal.

in both cases the ball was shown to be clipping the top of the leg stump.

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[DesiChap]

Use technology to make correct decisions: Vaughan PTI MELBOURNE, December 10: England skipper Michael Vaughan has severely criticised the on-field umpires for not consulting the TV umpire before making the controversial decision of adjudging Kevin Pietersen out in the slip cordon, saying "common sense" should have prevailed. Pietersen's wicket was the major talking point on the opening day of the second Test as tourists reached 258 for five at stumps, on Sunday. Vaughan advocated the need to utilise technology to avoid making controversial decisions. "It's a tough one, because I really do think common sense should prevail in circumstances like this. You've got the technology, you're allowed to use it. It's very difficult to be 100 per cent sure that catches carry," Vaughan told a British TV channel according to a 'Herald Sun' report on Monday. Pietersen edged a drive off Chaminda Vaas as Chamara Silva scooped up the ball narrowly above the turf. It squeezed out of Silva's fingers after juggle and was seized by Kumar Sangakkara, fielding at first slip. Australian umpire Daryl Harper consulted the square-leg umpire Aleem Dar before raising his finger. However, the replay on the TV screen suggested the ball had touched the grass. The English skipper referred to a past incident, involving Pietersen, when umpires had overturned their decision after watching the replay on the TV-screen. "We had a similar instance at Lord's last year when Kevin got given out and they saw the screen and changed their opinion and Kevin was allowed back into play," he said. http://cricket.indiatimes.com/Use_technology_to_make_correct_decisions_Vaughan/articleshow/2610558.cms

[Chandan]

Everything. A player (bowler or batsman) has the right to a referal when he thinks that the decision was wrong. Just like Tennis.

That is not what I meant? How can you have referrals for LBWs, when the doubt about height or pitching outside leg? You can include caught behinds or close in catches but I don't understand how that would help in the type of decisions given yesterday.

Yes they would have ... there was no issue of the ball pitching outside leg in any of the decisions that we are taking about and the bat was 6 inches away from the ball in case of Misbah and Akmal.

So? How would those tramlines have helped the umpire? The ball was hitting bang on the middle and all of us could see that, tramlines or not. Even umpire would have seen it. He certainly was having some other doubt, and that is what I'd like to know about. And how can the tramlines eliminate such doubts, if umpire thought that the angle could possibly take the ball down the leg, or perhaps the ball might have bounced more or any such thing?

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[varun]

Oh really ? Please go back 2 weeks. Simon Taufel and Billy Doctrove, first test Delhi. They were a record number of 19+ lbw appeals in the first 2 days alone. They got 18 of them right.

That is the problem. We know when a decision was the right decision and when it wasn't. The umps dont Earlier when they didn't have all this technology and crappy television (or even before television), nobody cared and everyone guessed, so everyone was happy So either ban all hifi-tech from telecasts, or get the umps to have the benefit of tech. Otherwise this debate will forever continue.

[chanakya]

so mm what you are basically saying is that we can go back to non neutral umpires?

[Anakin]

BTW, even Taufel wants to use technology more, I suppose all of them are obviously not aware of the "charm" of human incompetency made worse by possible racism.

[kabira]

MM, how would you feel if you are Mr. Rahul Dravid and very eager to score some runs, given out when clearly even appeal was not so convincing and that too when you have scored 50 runs and looking good for ton on flat wicket.

[kabira]

As a cricket fan, I want to see fair contest. When bowler (Ishant) is putting in everything so that he can be selected for next tour and being denied not once, not twice but thrice in space of 3 overs, I want to pull out my hairs and smash the television. Remember its flat wicket and bowler who beats batsman here should be rewarded

[kumble_rocks]

BTW' date=' [b']even Taufel wants to use technology more, I suppose all of them are obviously not aware of the "charm" of human incompetency made worse by possible racism.

When did that happen ? If I am not mistaken , he was not in support of technology !

[Ram]

so mm what you are basically saying is that we can go back to non neutral umpires?

No. I never said that.

MM, how would you feel if you are Mr. Rahul Dravid and very eager to score some runs, given out when clearly even appeal was not so convincing and that too when you have scored 50 runs and looking good for ton on flat wicket.

I would feel horrible, but as i walk off, I also know that there have been several occasions when i was out and wasnt given so.

As a cricket fan, I want to see fair contest. When bowler (Ishant) is putting in everything so that he can be selected for next tour and being denied not once, not twice but thrice in space of 3 overs, I want to pull out my hairs and smash the television. Remember its flat wicket and bowler who beats batsman here should be rewarded

Kabira, my stand has been grossly mis-interpreted by many posters. I am not per-say against the use of tech in umpiring, but i always believed that the umpire's decision is final and should not be overruled. We must do all in our capabilities to help the men in white to get their decisions right, if that means use of tech in assisting their senses, like using microphones that pick up snicks, or implementing tech that relieves the umpire of his duty to check no-balls, i am all for it. But i am dead against totally replacing an umpires, like using hawk-eye for lbws or using the system of referrals.

[Dhondy]

Sure enough, after negating dead as dodo appeals by Pathan against Salman Butt and Kamran Akmal, umpire Koertzen raised his dreaded finger even though Jaffer's front leg was outside the off at the point of contact. On such inconsistencies are tirades such as these built.