ICC ratings thread

[Donny]

And if Kallis wasn't dropped on 18 in the last Test, he'd still be at #3. If the Titanic had missed the iceberg, it'd probably be a hotel in Hong Kong harbour. :regular_smile:

[Mr. Wicket]

If Ponting had not selfishly played for his 50 in the second innings at Hobart' date=' Kallis would have been number 1.[/quote'] Was he playing for his 50, or for another milestone? He didn't declare exactly when he reached his fifty. He declared just when Murali conceded 400 runs for the series, taking his average to 100 per wicket. :hysterical: [btw shwetabh, you have v/m]

[MundaPakistani]

Game is in a bit of trouble if Ntini is the 2nd test bowler in the world.

[bharat297]

^ Yeah ... besides Dale Steyn I dont rate the SAF bowlers much ... they really only perform on the hard and green seamer tracks at home or very similar conditions ... on conditions slightly different they struggle.

[Gambit]

Game is in a bit of trouble if Ntini is the 2nd test bowler in the world.

And BLee too. How did he, with his mediocre test record, get to number 5?

[Lurker]

Bowling. 1. Murali 904 2. Ntini 808 3. Steyn 775 4. Clark 769 5. Lee 726 6. Bond 724 7. Kumble 702 8. Pollock 701 9. Hoggard 700 10. Akhtar 684

That made me do some legwork to see if bowling has really deteriorated over the years. Here are the ICC rankings on the same date (21th November) since 1977. 70s(1977) 1. Lillee 2. Bedi 3. Thomson 4. Underwood 5. Andy Roberts 6. Mike Holding 7. Bob Willis 8. Bhagwat Chandrashekhar 9. Imran Khan 10. Max Walker 80s(1987) 1. Richard Hadlee 2. Malcolm Marshall 3. Imran Khan 4. Ewan Chattfield 5. Kapil Dev 6. Maninder Singh 7. Wasim Akram 8. Geoff Lawson 9. Graham Dilley 10. Abdul Qadir 90s (1997) 1. Mcgrath 2. Ambrose 3. Mushtaq Ahmed 4. Donald 5. Warne 6. Akram 7. Bishop 8. Streak 9. Walsh 10. Waqar Some of these players obviously are in their for a great year or two(example Maninder or Mushtaq Ahmed) but by and large the list is symbolic of the decade. Must say that the top 10 of 70s, 80s and 90s all look more formidable that what we have in 2007. xxx

[Chaos]

That made me do some legwork to see if bowling has really deteriorated over the years. Here are the ICC rankings on the same date (21th November) since 1977. 70s(1977) 1. Lillee 2. Bedi 3. Thomson 4. Underwood 5. Andy Roberts 6. Mike Holding 7. Bob Willis 8. Bhagwat Chandrashekhar 9. Imran Khan 10. Max Walker 80s(1987) 1. Richard Hadlee 2. Malcolm Marshall 3. Imran Khan 4. Ewan Chattfield 5. Kapil Dev 6. Maninder Singh 7. Wasim Akram 8. Geoff Lawson 9. Graham Dilley 10. Abdul Qadir 90s (1997) 1. Mcgrath 2. Ambrose 3. Mushtaq Ahmed 4. Donald 5. Warne 6. Akram 7. Bishop 8. Streak 9. Walsh 10. Waqar Some of these players obviously are in their for a great year or two(example Maninder or Mushtaq Ahmed) but by and large the list is symbolic of the decade. Must say that the top 10 of 70s, 80s and 90s all look more formidable that what we have in 2007. xxx

that is exactly the reason why i rate any batsman from 1989-2007 better, Hence sachin EASILY bails as the best batsman than ponting or lara. Ponting from 03 was awesome cuz of the bowlin from other sides otherwise he is not even great.

[Gambit]

That made me do some legwork to see if bowling has really deteriorated over the years. Here are the ICC rankings on the same date (21th November) since 1977. 70s(1977) 1. Lillee 2. Bedi 3. Thomson 4. Underwood 5. Andy Roberts 6. Mike Holding 7. Bob Willis 8. Bhagwat Chandrashekhar 9. Imran Khan 10. Max Walker 80s(1987) 1. Richard Hadlee 2. Malcolm Marshall 3. Imran Khan 4. Ewan Chattfield 5. Kapil Dev 6. Maninder Singh 7. Wasim Akram 8. Geoff Lawson 9. Graham Dilley 10. Abdul Qadir 90s (1997) 1. Mcgrath 2. Ambrose 3. Mushtaq Ahmed 4. Donald 5. Warne 6. Akram 7. Bishop 8. Streak 9. Walsh 10. Waqar Some of these players obviously are in their for a great year or two(example Maninder or Mushtaq Ahmed) but by and large the list is symbolic of the decade. Must say that the top 10 of 70s, 80s and 90s all look more formidable that what we have in 2007. xxx

Some good research Lurker. The state of fast bowling has been pitiful for nearly 5 years or so now. The top 10 from 1987 and 1997 is simply awesome! Oh what I wouldn't do to have Donald,Wasim,Ambrose,McGrath,Warne back. :(

[Donny]

And BLee too. How did he' date=' with his mediocre test record, get to number 5?[/quote'] Most of the regular bowlers (other than the standouts like Murali, Pigeon, Warne, Pollock etc.) who average in the high 20s to low 30s are usually somewhere between 10 and 30 in the rankings. Very good performances over their most recent 3 or 4 Tests can see them jump into the top 10. Brett Lee has done precisely that. His last 4 Tests produced 28 wickets. 6/82 & 6/114 in the 4th. & 5th. Ashes Tests and 8/112 & 8/169 against Sri Lanka. That's 28 wickets @ 17.07 - far from mediocre. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Others ratings of interest, with the Oz/Ind Tests coming up: Batemen. 11. R. Dravid 748 15. A. Gilchrist 682 18. S. Tendulkar 663 22. V. Laxman 605 23. V. Sehwag 580 27. S. Ganguly 577 35. P. Jaques 548 38. A. Symonds 542 43. W. Jaffer 508 44. M.Dhoni 505 55. D. Karthik 461 63. Yuvraj Singh 411 69. I. Pathan 383 72. M. Kaif 362 78. B. Lee 313 83. A. Kumble 300 93. Harbhajan Singh 234 Bowlers. 11. Zaheer Khan 678 19. I.Pathan 600 23. S. Sreesanth 577 27. S. MacGill 565 28. Harbhajan Singh 546 36. R.P. Singh 425 43. M. Patel 354 54. M. Johnson 260 58. A. Symonds 206 58. R. Powar 206 64. S. Tendulkar 171 65. V. Sehwag 170 71. S. Ganguly 109 75. V.R. Singh 87

[apocalypse]

Ponting displaced from top batsman in ICC Test Rankings Some wonderful batting by Sangakkara led him to the top spot in the ICC Test Rankings India may have been forced to settle for a draw in the second Test against Pakistan but the trio of Wasim Jaffer, Sachin Tendulkar and Sourav Ganguly can take heart from the fact that the Kolkata runfeast has pushed them up in the ICC Players Rankings. Thanks to his double century in the first innings and a half century in the second, Jaffer jumped 17 places to 23rd, his career-best rating. Ganguly, who notched up his maiden Test ton at his home ground and missed a half century in the second innings, also moved up four places to 24th, while Tendulkar climbed a rung to be 17th in the list.

[zubinpepsi]

Fleming and collingwood ahead of sachinnnn.. ummmm

[Guest dada_rocks]

Virendra Sehwag at 30

[apocalypse]

Fleming and collingwood ahead of sachinnnn.. ummmm

actually sachin moved up after the 2nd test

[zubinpepsi]

actually sachin moved up after the 2nd test

yeah to 17th now

[Feed]

Cricket: Sangakkara knocks Ponting off top spot LONDON - Sri Lanka batsman Kumar Sangakkara has knocked Australia skipper Ricky Ponting off the top of the International Cricket Council's (ICC) latest test rankings.Sangakkara is the first Sri Lankan to top the batting rankings... More...

[Mr. Wicket]

No surprises, and just reward. His form since dropping the gloves has been sublime to say the least. The interesting thing will be to see how long he can hold onto this position as the #1 batsman in the world.

[apocalypse]

http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=77419

[Donny]

Congratulations Sanga. :regular_smile: Three batsmen rating 935 and over has probably not been seen before. Here are the top 20 best ever ratings.

#   Name          Country Rating  Date of highest rating

1.  D.G. Bradman     AUS     961     06/02/1948

2.  L. Hutton        ENG     945     30/03/1954

3.  R.T. Ponting     AUS     942     01/12/2006

3.  J.B. Hobbs       ENG     942     19/08/1912

5.  P.B.H. May       ENG     941     23/08/1956

6.  K.C. Sangakkara  SL      938     01/12/2007

6.  C.L. Walcott     WI      938     11/06/1955

6.  I.V.A. Richards  WI      938     27/03/1981

6.  G.S. Sobers      WI      938     13/01/1967

10. J.H. Kallis      SA      935     18/11/2007

10. M.L. Hayden      AUS     935     07/11/2002

12. Mohammad Yousuf  PAK     933     27/11/2006

13. R.G. Pollock     SA      927     19/02/1970

13. E.D. Weekes      WI      927     03/03/1956

15. K.D. Walters     AUS     922     19/02/1970

15. A.D. Nourse      SA      922     07/06/1951

17. R.N. Harvey      AUS     921     06/02/1953

18. D.C.S. Compton   ENG     917     08/07/1948

19. S.M. Gavaskar    IND     916     30/08/1979

20. G.A. Headley     WI      915     21/01/1948

[DesiChap]

Three batsmen rating 935 and over has probably not been seen before.

Tells me more about the quality of bowling :wink_smile:

[varun]

Tells me more about the quality of bowling :wink_smile:

And the pitches