head coach Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 In US it is considered racism and there has been incidents where fans were thrown out of basketball games. But all those fans where whites and the term was intended upon blacks hence labeled as racism. How can this be labeled racist if H Singh(Indian) who is not white used this against Symonds(charge not proven yet)? Link to comment
varun Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 We've discussed this to death in other threads. Link to comment
head coach Posted January 7, 2008 Author Share Posted January 7, 2008 We've discussed this to death in other threads. Sorry Varun. My bad. Didnt have time to browse the pages. Please delete I will look through! Link to comment
varun Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Sorry Varun. My bad. Didnt have time to browse the pages. Please delete I will look through! Not your fault. Newer threads are cropping up quicker than Bucknor's howlers in the past couple of days. Link to comment
aussiefan Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 is bastard derogatory in India? I ask this in all seriousness......re: hogg charge ( he should ban himself the way he bowled ) Link to comment
beetle Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yes it is because it means your mom is of loose character. And Moms are not to be abused ....not that Indians don't abuse each others moms...but it is serious. If someone called me that ...I would certainly slap the person. Monkey is ok...even my husband calls me that sometimes and my mom called me monkey,donkey andstuff. Link to comment
varun Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 is bastard derogatory in India? I ask this in all seriousness......re: hogg charge ( he should ban himself the way he bowled ) A lot of folks from the Indian team are middle-class small-town folks. Most of them tend to interpret english abuses literally and so would find bastard offensive. That would infact translate to the hindi term "harami". And yeah it will offend people, as anything related to the family is considered highly offensive. So naturally even abuses involving mothers, sisters, fathers would be deemed very offensive. Calling people by animal names can also be offensive but it will be much less so. To give an example, young kids would at max use terms such as "kutta" or "dog" to abuse someone, and using abuses that refer to ppl's families comes at a much higher age and is normally used under extreme circumstances lol (if at all). [some guys though do use these words in jest or simply just throw them out randomly in a sentence if they're good friends with each other] Sometimes people do call another person a monkey or a 'bandar', but that is mostly to refer to either the person being a fool or mischevious. Sometimes women (who are more concerned about looks) would say "yeh to bandar ki tarah dikhta hai" (i.e. he looks like a monkey) but not to refer to the color of the person's skin but as a completely blunt and frank remark to refer to the person's facial features. Heck regarding monkeys, you do know we have a monkey god don't you ? Link to comment
beetle Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Bastard means born out of wedlock....which is not something that is considerd an honourable thing. Link to comment
varun Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 chetan chauhan said it categorically on Aajtak news channel that it means HARAMI lol Actually He may be right.. lol, though a lawaris person could be a harami too :haha: Link to comment
Desi Cartman Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 I live in Australia and I would be offended if someone called me a monkey. I dont understand why is everybody saying that its ok to call someone monkey , ok we cant control a crowd but ofcourse Bhajji knew that its offensive ! PS: I am not implying that Bhajji said it. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Why is there a thread discussing if its racist! The point is that he never said it. THERE IS NO PROOF HE SAID IT. He has been found guilty quite literally in a kangaroo court Link to comment
theguyinallblue Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Sidhu is having a field day..appearing in very news channel... and blasting aussies .... Link to comment
sandtest Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Calling "B@stard" is definately a derogatory term for India. reason is straight forward -- unlike westerners, in Indian Culture and particularly in Hinduism, Indians regard their "Maata" and "Pitaa" higher than God himself. The problem is a Christian or Evangelical from West can never understand this thing that Mother can be higher than Jesus or God. However in India partcularly in Ramayan there are several instances where Lord Shri Ram himslef is referred as "Matu Pitaa ke Navahin Maatha" -- meaning is Shri Ram every morning use to bow down in front of his Mother and Father. Also there is this famous dialogue between Shri Ram and Laxman where Shri Raam says that -- "Janani Janmabhoomisch Swargadapi Gariyasi" -- meaning -- "Mother and Motherland are greater than Heaven". So abusing "mother" of an Indian is the insult of HIGHEST kind and demands heavy punishment. Link to comment
sandtest Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 @OP....calling Monkey has never been racist in India. as some have highlighted...during our childhood, our parent use to call us "bandar" (monkey) when we are doing some mischief. Now if "Monkey" is racist-- then parents must be racist towards their own children....:hysterical::giggle: Link to comment
aussiefan Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Heck regarding monkeys, you do know we have a monkey god don't you ? thanks for all previous info Varun. and i was not aware specifically of a monkey god. i know that Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion a-la judaism and christianity and that there are many gods or devas but am not familiar with all of them...... funnily enough buddhism seems to be the most widely understood eastern religion here in aust, almost trendy....having done a little reading on various religions i would have to say Hinduism has the most appeal/makes the most sense to me but of course you dont discuss religion or politics with polite company in aust.... /on an aside, the australian census held every 4 years had 70000 people identify their religion as "jedi" from the movie star wars....:hysterical::giggle:, 360,000 in UK and 20000 in NZ..... link here on this phenomenon ( or piss-take/joke) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon Link to comment
beetle Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 thanks for all previous info Varun. and i was not aware specifically of a monkey god. i know that Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion a-la judaism and christianity and that there are many gods or devas but am not familiar with all of them...... funnily enough buddhism seems to be the most widely understood eastern religion here in aust, almost trendy....having done a little reading on various religions i would have to say Hinduism has the most appeal/makes the most sense to me but of course you dont discuss religion or politics with polite company in aust.... /on an aside, the australian census held every 4 years had 70000 people identify their religion as "jedi" from the movie star wars....:hysterical::giggle:, 360,000 in UK and 20000 in NZ..... link here on this phenomenon ( or piss-take/joke) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon A lot more follow sachinsm in this country......:D Link to comment
sandtest Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 i know that Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion a-la judaism and christianity and that there are many gods or devas but am not familiar with all of them...... Wrong. That's the faulty/flawed unedrstanding of Hinduism by westerners and many western educated Indian Hindus/self-proclaimed atheists. For unedrstanding monotheism you have to define --what is monotheism in your view....since ICF is a politically-correct forum and doesn't allow religious discussions --- otherwise I can rip apart the false claim of Monotheism by Islamists, Christians and those soul-harvesters with their pseudo-montheistic charms. Islamic and Christian defined monotheism is VERY Narrow and Temporal -- enuff said. PS: "Avaita" (Non-Dualism) of Hinduism is the true Monotheism..thing to note is even Budhism borrows heavily from Adviata Vedanta. Link to comment
varun Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yeah, lets not divert this discussion into a religious discussion. Link to comment
varun Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 /on an aside, the australian census held every 4 years had 70000 people identify their religion as "jedi" from the movie star wars....:hysterical::giggle:, 360,000 in UK and 20000 in NZ..... LOL :haha: The only way that would make sense is if the census was a multiple choice questionnaire with "Jedi" being a part of the choices ! :P Link to comment
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