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[beetle]

>>>>Whatever it takes is whatever it takes. If you grow up in Australia playing as a boy against men you learn pretty quickly what that means. Sledging only works when the target of sledging is responsive to the comments. Sometimes whatever it takes is to shrug off the abuse sometimes it means to dish it out. Who made these ugly rules? Who gave the aussies the right to make these rules for everyone? Just because australians are brought up this way(your own words...not mine) doesn't mean the rest of the world has to accept it. We have plenty of wrongs happening in our countries...do we try to ram those down your throat? Why should you have the right to do so?

[adzamundo]

What has mental strength got to do with sledging(abusing)? Mental strength is the ability to ignore and / use verbal sledging and perform regardless. Not piss and moan "they didn't play fair" You can see from the footage, no matter what was said there was plenty of verbal which was instigated by the Indian side. Your man was the one who couldn't handle it and crossed the line. So anyone who stands upto a bully and tries to stop it or not accept being abused is a softie? To stand up to a bully is to take it upon oneself to overcome the bully. In this case it would have been to prepare for perth and resolve to defeat the aussie. In terms of standing up to a bully indias response had been the schoolyard equivalent of running home in tears to mummy and asking her to go and teach the bully a lesson....and that my friend is as soft as you get Are you saying that the only difference between the other cricket playing nations and australia is their specialised ability to abuse and bully? Im saying its in the ability to perform and do your job regardless of what is going on around you, Australia are the best at this and subsequently the best team in the world. Symonds recent performances are a good example of this. Are you guys given extra grades in school for sledging...?(just cucious) No, but a cricketer with all the talent in the world who can't handle sledging will struggle to make it as a grade cricketer in this country. Cut the butter wouldn't melt in our mouth routine, no one buys it

[adzamundo]

And its very sad to see how you guys see and play this sport? And it very sad to see that many have forgotten that the only reason anyone cares about the proud tradition of the game is when they loose. Where were all the Indians standing up against the treatment of Symonds in India....nowhere So its open season and guess who is coming off 2nd best.....

[beetle]

You are a waste of time mister! Have a good day....

[adzamundo]

Its a shame you cant handle some healthy discussion.......just soft I guess I wish you well

[bigdhoni7]

So anyone who stands upto a bully and tries to stop it or not accept being abused is a softie? To stand up to a bully is to take it upon oneself to overcome the bully. In this case it would have been to prepare for perth and resolve to defeat the aussie. In terms of standing up to a bully indias response had been the schoolyard equivalent of running home in tears to mummy and asking her to go and teach the bully a lesson....and that my friend is as soft as you get

um no. it was actually ponting who decided to get the match referee involved in the first place to get bhaji banned, fool. india is wisely playing the 'fight fire with fire" card by getting hogg charged with the difference between the two sides is they actually have audio evidence supporting their claim. i doubt kumble & co care about his remark but it just shows how damn biased Procter is to give bhaji a 3 match ban strictly on hearsay.

[adzamundo]

You can clearly see bhaji mouth the words monkey in video footage.No doubt India will hide behind their ethnicity and claim he was saying something else. As ive said before pontings decision was soft, plain and simple. But India threatening to end the tour and the BCCI demanding the ban be overturned IS the equivalent of running home to mummy in tears and does not equate to standing up to a bully. Go back and look at the footage there is plenty on verbal instigated by the indians, plenty..... if they cant handle it they should just worry about the cricket and the Aussie so called abuse would be exposed. But the truth is they fancy themselves as sledgers too, they are just smart enough to lie about it in a public forum. The aussies honesty in admitting their sledging (2003) has cost them big time.

[beetle]

Its a shame you cant handle some healthy discussion.......just soft I guess I wish you well

No...There is no point. Like they have been saying...it's cultural difference. We have been brought up differently.You have been brought up differently. But how we have been brought up shouldn't change the rules of cricket . The aussie way is not quite cricket.

[zubinpepsi]

beets, jus say tht M-word, u ll see how soft he becomes..:hysterical::hysterical: such Hypcrites aussies r..

[adzamundo]

I can accept that. You are probably right it most likely is just cultural difference. After all we are in vastly different parts of the world. However the treatment of symonds in india makes it difficult for me to accept that Indians are all gentleman who are only interested in the spirit of the game.......surely you can see that

[adzamundo]

zubinpepsi................why don't you drop the M-word? or are you too soft to even type it?

[beetle]

>>>>You can clearly see bhaji mouth the words monkey in video footage. So why isn't the rest of the world believing your magical lip reading skills? The reason the other teams have sometimes resorted to countersledging is because the ICC has not taken cricket australia to task for it which they should have done long time back... Thanks to malcomn speed ...aussies have been sledging and abusing to hearts content without the umpires taking any note of it.(with m.speed as the ceo of ICC...most umpires who are employed by icc have just either looked the other way or played along.) The asian teams have been forced to go against their general nature(there may be individual aggressors) to counter sledge. When this happened ...the aussies who so far had only been dishing out were outraged .Their exclusive right was being taken away by the other teams...and the harby case is their way of responding. so you see...they are not so tough after all. What do they say about bullies? Most bullies look tough till some one stands up to them and gives it back. The only reson they have got away is that this kind of behaviour is not natural or conditioned into the asian teams ...hence they can't keep up the "we can sledge too act " for too long. After all they haven't been brought up that way. And thank God for that!

[Chandan]

Ad, Like no Australian can agree that monkey is not a racist word, we Indians don't agree that to win a test match you have to act like pack of wild dogs. I'm sure the Australians know that they are one of the best when it comes to the all round skills in cricket but their poor upbringing is making them set an extremely poor example to the world and under no circumstances I'd like my son follow their example and act like they did, no matter what the situation is. Cricket is only a sport and for getting a favourable result, you don't have to lose your integrity, good manners and self respect. This IS the difference. I hope you've understood it by now.

[adzamundo]

It has been shown 1000 on TV here its clear as day...... Teams from the sub continent have most volatile crowds in world cricket but you expect everyone to believe your cricketers are gentle little lambs who wouldn't say boo to anyone. If I were to go to an international cricket match in India, watch the game among indian supporters and cheer loudly for my country i would face the threat of violence or even death. However you could waltz into any australian ground be as loud as you like among aussie supporter and you would most likely end up having beers and joking with us by the end of the day (if you pride and prejudice would let you) That my friend is the real cultural difference between the two nations.

[aussiefan]

beetle its not so black & white ( pardon the pun ) in your or our interpretation of events. I would like to see a little more looking at the other person's point of view...

[adzamundo]

Chandan, I agree with you, I wouldn't want my child to sledge and instigate abuse. But I wouldn't want him to be at the mercy of it either

[Chandan]

It has been shown 1000 on TV here its clear as day...... Teams from the sub continent have most volatile crowds in world cricket but you expect everyone to believe your cricketers are gentle little lambs who wouldn't say boo to anyone. If I were to go to an international cricket match in India, watch the game among indian supporters and cheer loudly for my country i would face the threat of violence or even death. However you could waltz into any australian ground be as loud as you like among aussie supporter and you would most likely end up having beers and joking with us by the end of the day (if you pride and prejudice would let you) That my friend is the real cultural difference between the two nations.

So from cricketers, you've now come down on crowd?

[adzamundo]

Since the discussion was shifted to culture and upbringing.....yes

[aussiefan]

what's with the burning effigies? is that for real? that looks pretty scary.... but funny when you got the donkey's out...

[Chandan]

Since the discussion was shifted to culture and upbringing.....yes

Ok then. Let me tell you that Sachin Tendulkar has been sledged a lot in his 18 years career, but he never uttered the same words back to them. Instead, he replied with his bat because he has the skills to stand to a pack of big bullying and abusive bowlers and fielders. Soon every bowler and fielder understood that it was harmful to them if they sledged Sachin. Hence you don't have to stoop to their level to stand up to these abusive persons. That is the example I'd like my son to follow, not what the Australians showed at Sydney.