The low levels of morality in cricket and sports

[Andrew]

Browse around and read around more to see that the site is a melting pot of divergent opinions.

I agree. I am impressed with the balance and amused by some patriots... it is www.indiancricketfans.com and I think you are treating the Aussie guests wonderfully. Thank you. But we are giving a public acknowledgment of a problem that is pretty entrenched in our culture, I had not appreciated its full significance until reading a lot of comments on this site, even though I have always had concerns about bullying. As for balance I think Aussiefan put up some YouTube snippets of Indian... gaffes? and there were some critical comments after these videos (may have been yourself?)... so yes there is balance. Thank you again for the kind treatment. A.

[Dinx - the Jinx]

A hypothetical example - There is a research scientist job opening at a top university and by some fluke I am among the 2 shortlisted candidates who have been called to give a seminar. My rival is really good but I feel I can "mentally disintegrate" him. So when he is in the middle of his lecture, I ask him, "Hey, how does your thesis advisor's d!ck taste like". After that the university hires me because I managed to mentally unsettle my rival during his talk, never mind that he was more deserving. If modern cricket has to move towards true professionalism, it has to move against amateur and backyard notions like sledging and abusing. That's the mantra of the professional world, the job description is to play cricket and showcase your skills for which you are getting paid, not for treating your fellow professionals with contempt. Sadly, abuse and sledging are robbing us and deflecting attention from a lot of cricket.

I just saw the post today mrng.. Amazing example... this is exactly what the whole world feels about the sickening aussie invention called "mental disintegration"... congratz mate for thinking in those lines

[Guest HariSampath]

Good post shwetab..with regard to the OP, I would like to point out one thing. tennis is perhaps the most professional sport with a one to one gladiatorial contest possible all time, as its an individual sport. Tennis is also a big money sport with superstar space. But strangely we dont have any verbal "intimidation", on court, despite the fact it is this sport which can lend itself to maximum verbal stuff and pretty easily too. At Wimbledon and some other grandslams too, even the spectators are expected to remain silent at the time of the serve. I do think it is possible to enforce these standards of behavior in cricket as well

[Guest HariSampath]

A hypothetical example - There is a research scientist job opening at a top university and by some fluke I am among the 2 shortlisted candidates who have been called to give a seminar. My rival is really good but I feel I can "mentally disintegrate" him. So when he is in the middle of his lecture, I ask him, "Hey, how does your thesis advisor's d!ck taste like". After that the university hires me because I managed to mentally unsettle my rival during his talk, never mind that he was more deserving.

I dont agree with this example. And if according to the above example, the university does hire the heckler, then both the university and the heckler deserve each other

[Zap_Brannigan]

Hari, Its a pretty relevant example. In Swethab's analogy, the university has no idea that he used an underhand trick. So the blame does not lie on the University. But then here, the ICC is fully aware of Aussies technique. I am saying Aus here cos they started it (atleast after i started watching cricket). Infact i even remember, a few years back, the ICC defended this behavior in the name of Aussie culture. Now i hope that Bhajji didn't say the word monley, but if he did and is punished, i think he deserves it. But so does every Aus who has used some kinda derogatory words on field like ****er,bastard etc.......All i wanna see is the same set of rules. Not one for Aus and another for India.

[The Outsider]

Really enjoyed reading some responses on this thread. Yes, the analogy was a bit on the extreme side. But, look at some of the other sports, as Bunny and HS have pointed out where there is hardly any sledging goes on. Yet when people try to justify sledging and abuse they quote examples from the worst behaved sports. We should be trying to emulate the best, shouldn't we? Regarding cments about some funny quips, they happen everywhere but it's people who are dwlevoid of hot who transgress into abuse to mentally disintegrate someone. With respect to the hypothetical example I gave it would be something like, "Yeah, I've read these thoughts before by X and they were debunked by Y in ABC", or something a bit more, "wasn't this paper sent back by the referees twice" , "how would you know", "I was one of the referees". Both instances I have witnessed.

[Guest HariSampath]

^...Or..."Fantastic presentation...wish the original author were here so we all could thank him"

[The Outsider]

Bump in light of some obnoxious comments by Hayden to call his professional opponents in a boxing ring and abusing them in the press. It seems civility is an unknown concept to many members of this Australian team.

[cochise]

Andrew, The relationship between India and Australia is a growing one and is strong even as things stand. The conflict, while sad, is also necessary in a way. A few spats here happen when people from two different paradigms collide. In overcoming them, a deeper understanding will be reached.

[Chandan]

Sometimes I seriously wonder if these Australian players are fully grown up men or not! What kind of comments did the 36 years old veteran give? It sounds even worse than some school kids bullying. In fact if you take a deep look, all of their remarks are that which kids in 5th or 6th make here in India and after that even they grow up.

[Anakin]

That's what happens when you lack a culture, a civilized one that is.

[16 str8]

Sometimes I seriously wonder if these Australian players are fully grown up men or not! What kind of comments did the 36 years old veteran give? It sounds even worse than some school kids bullying. In fact if you take a deep look, all of their remarks are that which kids in 5th or 6th make here in India and after that even they grow up.

Funny thing is, the Indians fall for it everytime!! The Aussies intention is to distract the Indians, and it is working incredibly well. Who's worse: The person that makes "school boy" remarks, or the person that repeatedly falls for them!! btw Chandan, what did you make of Sreesanth's comments, when he stated that the Aussies "were sh1t."

[16 str8]

That's what happens when you lack a culture' date=' a civilized one that is.[/quote'] :haha::hysterical: Funny you say that, as India's culture is slowly eroded by the western world!! And who exactly were you talking about? Surely you spoke of India's culture, if these kind of matters still exist- http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2005/1234/ (For those of you that don't want to read the link, the headline reads "INDIA: Rape victim and her child auctioned for six rupees in Jharkhand") How disturbing.

[Anakin]

:haha::hysterical: Funny you say that, as India's culture is slowly eroded by the western world!! And who exactly were you talking about? Surely you spoke of India's culture, if these kind of matters still exist- http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2005/1234/ (For those of you that don't want to read the link, the headline reads "INDIA: Rape victim and her child auctioned for six rupees in Jharkhand") How disturbing.

Is that the worst you can come up with? :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Good try convict. Go look at your own history first :giggle:

[16 str8]

Is that the worst you can come up with? :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: Good try convict. Go look at your own history first :giggle:

Unbelievable!! It seems as though Indians have no problem with that type of sick behaviour. What I find funny, is that some convicts were shipped to Australia over 200 years ago. Yet this disgraceful act occured in India only three years ago. Perhaps it is time to stop living in the past, Anakin, Australia has moved on. Perhaps, as it would seem, unlike India.

[cochise]

Is this a muck raking contest? Surely you don't want to go there 16str8...you see, there are always exceptions to the rule. With the aboriginal situation being what it is in Australia, I don't think you want to be going down this path.

[Anakin]

Unbelievable!! It seems as though Indians have no problem with that type of sick behaviour. What I find funny, is that some convicts were shipped to Australia over 200 years ago. Yet this disgraceful act occured in India only three years ago. Perhaps it is time to stop living in the past, Anakin, Australia has moved on. Perhaps, as it would seem, unlike India.

No, what is unbelievable is your systematic raping and genocide of aborigines, rather than one isolated incident. And I'm not even talking about the usual racism that exists down under. But I'm sure your brain has degraded enough to understand that.

[16 str8]

No' date=' what is unbelievable is your systematic raping and genocide of aborigines, rather than one isolated incident. And I'm not even talking about the usual racism that exists down under. But I'm sure your brain has degraded enough to understand that.[/quote'] Oh, you mean the same Aboriginal people to whom the Federal Government two weeks ago apologised? Opening the door to future compensation? As I said, Australia has moved on. India has not. That is obvious to the world. Why, all they have to do is to turn on the TV and watch how the Indian crowd carries on when a black man plays for the opposite team.

[cochise]

Indian's are black themselves. Besides, I don't think it's skin colour as they never abused any West Indians in the decades they travelled there. I think it's just Simmo's look and attitude...which is not to excuse the abuse. There are Aussie fans that are racist too...vociferously so...remember that crowd racial abuse first hit the headlines when SA toured Australia a few years back. The apology to the aboriginals was way overdue. But that is just the beginning surely? Moving on is not just lip service. Aussies will have moved on only when the plight of aboriginals has improved much more than it is now. It is a beginning though. Now, what makes you think that boorish sections of cricket fans are refelective of a nation? If that were the case, India and Australia are probably on par. (Actually, if you factor in footy fans, then Australia would be bottom dwellers...ask Nicky Winmar)

[Chandan]

Funny thing is, the Indians fall for it everytime!! The Aussies intention is to distract the Indians, and it is working incredibly well. Who's worse: The person that makes "school boy" remarks, or the person that repeatedly falls for them!! btw Chandan, what did you make of Sreesanth's comments, when he stated that the Aussies "were sh1t."

Wonder who has fallen for those childish remarks like "obnoxious little weed" or a 36 old test ond ODI veteran calling a young 19 years old rookie in the boxing ring!! Sreeshanth is an idiot and I'm glad that he has not been drama queen this series. This means that he has grown up. But no such improvement in sight for the Australian player who is in the twilight of his career. BTW, will you please explain what that comment exactly means?