US consulate in Chennai attacked, riots in Ghaziabad

[beetle]

And I fecking picked yesterday to pass through Gemini Flyover (Adjacent to the consulate) :(( As someone said, I never thought I'd see this **** in Chennai. Although, The thousand lights mosque is just a "Stone's throw away" Why are we increasingly seeing muslims protesting against some **** happening in some other part of the world and damaging property/peace in India? It just defies logic but yet these dumb****s will stand in queue outside the same US consulate for a visa.

This is not new...it has always been there whether it was the Rushdie episode or the cartoons or just some anything to do with the Palestine issue. It is just that now people are losing the patience with this kind of nonsense and speak out even if it is politically incorrect to do so.

[beetle]

Benghazi to Ghaziabad: Young, alienated, radicalized – that equals licence to burn? There’s a very distinct, unpleasant flavor to news over the past 24 hours. And no, it isn’t diesel prices, FDI, or India’s chances at T20. After going through today’s papers and news reports online, I realized that there’s a type of story that’s come in all sections – from the local news about Ghaziabad, which I am a humble resident of, to national news, to global news, and even onto the opinion pages. The story, fundamentally (no pun), is about angry young men upset over a matter of faith. I don't question anyone being upset over matters of faith – what I am concerned about is the people who are paying the price for their being upset. Who, mostly, have no clue what it’s all about and end up as collateral damage. The Local News pages in today’s paper tell me the story of “more than 200 rioters, all of whom seemed to be aged between 20 and 25, who vandalized the local police station, set a PCR van ablaze, then charged into another police station and set it on fire.” The National Highway connecting Ghaziabad to Delhi was blocked for hours, and random passing vehicles stopped, damaged, in some cases burnt. The provocation: some local residents found some pages of a religious text with abuses scribbled on them near a mofussil railway station. The TOI report says “prima facie it appears that someone threw the book from a train… local residents approached the police and shouted slogans against the administration and the police”. How would the local thana police be responsible for, or prevent, anyone throwing pages of any religious text from a passing train? That point didn't deter the crowd from subsequently damaging or burning a total of 50 vehicles, and, according to the police, indulging in robbery and looting. Has anyone been arrested? No. Did anyone who was obstructed, robbed, or whose vehicle was burnt, have anything to do with the episode? Not that we know of, yet. A thousand-strong team of police did not arrest anyone after police stations were ransacked and police vehicles burnt. I’d like to see that restrained passivity if the mob was not charged on a ‘sensitive issue’ and was, for example, protesting a fake encounter or demanding action against a rapist. The National News sections have registered the ‘Grand Mufti’ of Kashmir declaring, “I strongly condemn the act (the blasphemous film) and appeal to Kashmiris to register their protest against the film and even attack US citizens if they are seen anywhere in the Valley from tomorrow”. Since people don't usually ask to see someone’s passport / visa before bashing them up when operating in groups, I assume this is blanket licence to assault any white-skinned guy, who, by extension, is deemed responsible for what an Egyptian settled in the US chooses to make. How would the Mufti respond to any deranged Pastor in the US – or the UK or Germany for that matter – asking for reciprocal action? In a world where some people of all faiths and all nationalities will be found in practically every country, apart from strengthening his own power position as fiery defender of his faith in his territory, what is the Mufti achieving? And why is he allowed to run amok unchecked? The Editorial Page of HT today has an article on Tom Holland, a British author, who is facing death threats following the TV adaptation of his book on the origins of Islam. Channel 4 has cancelled the repeat showing of the documentary following threats to the author. The author of the piece, Farrukh Dhondy, has argued that while the merit / accuracy of the book is one debate, the issue has now ‘degenerated into the big question of free academic speech and how far intimidation should curtail it’. Following the Danish cartoonist episode and the Salman Rushdie threats, such responses add up, brick by brick, to cementing perceptions and drawing walls between communities and faiths – but at the first cut, again, action here is primarily based on intimidation, not because the Channel agrees with the protestors. The International News pages, of course, for the past couple of days have been dominated by the violence in Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Yemen, etc. The US ambassador to Libya’s violent death was on account of a film made by a random person who, as reports today indicate, has served 21 months in US prisons for bank fraud. For all the foreign policy stupidities of the US, the people actually killed had not the faintest responsibility for the film, did they? An AP report on the US ‘bracing for more protests’ from yesterday said the US is “bracing for another potential eruption of violent demonstrations in parts of the Muslim world after Friday’s weekly prayers – traditionally a time of protest in the Middle East and North Africa.” (itals mine). What is the meaning of ‘traditionally a time of protest’? The issue being protested about changes, but 'protest' is consistent? Kashmir watchers will relate to the phase in the valley where Friday afternoon was seen by security forces as a time of protest – irrespective of the issue being protested against, which often changed week to week. Do we see where this is heading – or has already headed? The branding? The question is not about whether a grievance is genuine or not. You can’t quantify sensitivity or angst, fair enough. Only those aggrieved can really decide whether the ground for their grievance matters deeply enough to them. There may – there often are - provocations. But such provocations can be applicable to anyone, any person, any faith, anytime. Some loony in some remote part of the world can make a film on any faith, any sect, any sub-sect that may not be palatable to those it is talking about. India has a billion people and another idiot may tomorrow scatter pages of another religious book through the windows of a passing train. Should we condone mass rioting? The problem I have is that in all cases, the grievance is being addressed not through logic, or dialogue, or sentiment – it is being addressed through sticks, stones, guns and threats. The people whose vehicles were burnt simply because they were passing by are unlikely to take a very enlightened view of the police’s kid glove handling of the violence in Ghaziabad. A reader on the TOI site remarked that the government is quick to arrest a cartoonist but will not respond to the Mufti’s statement. The authorities tend to stand by and let mobs give expression to their outrage – and thereby legitimize recurrence of such expression. What they don't realize is that they are legitimizing counter-expression tomorrow. Frenzied young men gathered in mobs tend to behave fairly similarly, irrespective of their surnames. But we have to tell them that it doesn't work – not go soft and watch, then do the same when another group does that in another place, another time. You would really think that for a country born in the midst of frenzied crowds killing each other in the name of religion, we would have learnt that lesson by now. A New York Times report titled ‘Protests over anti-Islam film flare beyond the Mideast’ has this perceptive quote from Rob Malley, the Middle East-North African program director for the International Crisis Group: “We have, throughout the Arab world, a young, unemployed, alienated and radicalized group of people, mainly men, who have found a vehicle to express themselves”. Well, Mr Malley, the news is that this phenomena’s not just in the Arab world. It’s pretty much wider. Hell, it’s right next door, in Ghaziabad as well. This is one way in which we’d rather not get global. Or so methinks. http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/clicklit/entry/benghazi-to-ghaziabad-young-alienated-radicalized-that-equals-licence-to-burn

[Texy]

now the violence spreads to Sydney.

[Swing_n_Speed]

Deport, Deport, Deport! Throw all these rogues right back from where they came. That's the only option now. Any liberal who covers up for them can also be given a one way ticket out. Actually immigration is not that complicated. I cannot understand how western immigration officers have soo screwed up. There are certain countries where immigration ought to be highly regulated. And there are other countries which can make up the difference. I won't get into which countries immigration ought to be completely locked down. But sanctioning peace loving people like the Iranians and allowing those from more radical states easy entry is epic folly. Nuff Said!

[Texy]

what kind of sick fu.ck uses children to spread their hate living in a Western country, enjoying all the benefits and cashing welfare checks....just saw this on reddit

[beetle]

what kind of sick fu.ck uses children to spread their hate living in a Western country, enjoying all the benefits and cashing welfare checks....just saw this on reddit

Now this is a fit case for social services to show up and make sure the effed up parents pay for using kids for hate.

[Texy]

Now this is a fit case for social services to show up and make sure the effed up parents pay for using kids for hate.

Pretty soon that kid would be holding up signs that will say, "Kill All Those Who Do Not Believe In Muhammed!" I say deport those parents or cut off their welfare check. Once the dough stops running, they will come back to their senses. How do you force people to respect your religion by threatening to kill. How brainwashed and delusional!

[Swing_n_Speed]

Now this is a fit case for social services to show up and make sure the effed up parents pay for using kids for hate.

+100 Were it an Indian or a White parent? By now that kid wld've been is some government run child services custody program.

[superstar]

what kind of sick fu.ck uses children to spread their hate living in a Western country, enjoying all the benefits and cashing welfare checks....just saw this on reddit

Holy ****. When Muslims in Sydney do this, I am not surprised with the brainwashed Indians. I am having a feeling we are all f**up in a few decades. Brainwashing from a young age in civilized country ...imagine what is happening in our country

[superstar]

well when one after another muslim country is being attacked by one certain country u cant blame muslims feel dat way. but nuffin justifies killing innocent ppl' date=' destroying public property or attack foreign ambessies in the name of religion.[/quote'] With this mentality no one can save you (actually us from you :(().

[Crookbond]

well when one after another muslim country is being attacked by one certain country u cant blame muslims feel dat way. but nuffin justifies killing innocent ppl' date= destroying public property or attack foreign ambessies in the name of religion.

The stupidity in your statement in right there - highlighted. Let us assume X country is attacking a Muslim country one after the other. Why are Muslims in the other part of the world agitated? I have never seen the Arabs protest for Muslim issues in India. Why is it just one way?

[Crookbond]

:facepalm:

[EnterTheVoid]

That is Sydney, Australia! ****ing unbelievable that they have so much mother****ing contempt for the place that they live in :mad:

[superstar]

WTF is wrong with these fools. THe happenings of the past 2 days are seriously making me question if we should take some drastic measures to save our future generations from these idiots.

[arun81]

Zkp-D-7Rj5YLooks like the Protesters were Released in Chennai and came back to protest today...2000+ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/Protests-against-anti-Islam-film-continues-security-beefed-up-at-US-consulate/articleshow/16408309.cms CHENNAI: At least 2,000 protested outside the Thousand lights mosque on Peters Road, a few yards away from the US Consulate in Chennai, at 10 am on Saturday to protest the controversial anti-Islam film for the second day. The protesters, who were denied permission to march towards the consulate, raise anti-us slogans and burnt US flags and pictures of US president Barrack Obama. On Friday an angry mob, members of the Muslim Munnetra Kazhagam, ransacked security cabins and cameras outside the consulate demanding action against film maker. The anti-Islam film, Innocence of Muslims, has led to similar attacks against US consulates in several countries including Egypt, Libya and Yemen. Police beefed up security outside the US consulate on Dr Radhakrishnan Salai. Some protestors were seen breaking the police cordon in an attempt to enter the consulate. Traffic on the arterial Anna Salai came to stand still. Traffic police were seen diverting traffic to smaller roads.

[Crookbond]

WTF is wrong with these fools. THe happenings of the past 2 days are seriously making me question if we should take some drastic measures to save our future generations from these idiots.

OK now, don't go OTT

[Desi Cartman]

Posters, please keep it clean and report any rude posts. This thread is very close to being closed so if you believe it should remain open then refrain from OTT posts and also report if you spot something against the rules of the forum.

[Lurker]

What a complete and utter lunacy this is. This is a self-inflicted wound on India. India does not have anything remotely to do with this, so why are these Indian "citizens" burning Indian Police stations, putting at risk Indian Cops and foreign diplomats?? From whatever I could read on ths subject, looks like IB had given a strong warning to State (atleast in Chennai) and still cops were caught unawares. De danda saalon ko. I mean both cops and freaking protesters!! How many lives have we lost already? And for what?

[Crookbond]

Saudi Grand Mufti calls attacks on foreign embassies un-Islamic http://www.firstpost.com/world/saudi-grand-mufti-calls-attacks-on-foreign-embassies-un-islamic-457365.html

RIYADH (Reuters) – Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti, the highest religious authority in the birthplace of Islam, on Saturday denounced attacks on diplomats and embassies as un-Islamic after deadly protests against a U.S.-made film mocking Islam’s founder. Sheikh Abdulaziz bin Abdullah Al al-Sheikh also called on governments and international bodies to criminalise insults against prophets and excoriated the film that has prompted a wave of fury across the Middle East. “It is forbidden to punish the innocent for the wicked crimes of the guilty, or to attack those who have been granted protection of their lives and property, or to expose public buildings to fire or destruction,” he said in a speech carried by state news agency SPA. Describing the release of the crudely made short film as “miserable” and “criminal”, he added that attacks on the innocent and diplomats “are also a distortion of the Islamic religion and are not accepted by God”. At least nine people were killed after noon prayers on Friday in demonstrations across the Middle East. Washington sent extra troops to guard its embassies after the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans were killed in an attack on a U.S. mission in Libya on Tuesday. The violence spread to Egypt, Lebanon, Tunisia, Sudan, Yemen and elsewhere. There have been no reports of anti-American demonstrations in Saudi Arabia, a key Arab ally of the United States and country that holds significant influence over the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims via its guardianship of Mecca and Medina. Al al-Sheikh’s statement echoed the official position taken by Saudi Arabia on Thursday, condemning both the film and attacks on U.S. embassies. Earlier on Saturday, al Qaeda’s regional wing based in Yemen called on Muslims to kill American diplomats in Islamic countries and step up protests against the film. Some of the senior leaders of the group, Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, are of Saudi nationality, but are sworn enemies of the kingdom’s ruling family.

[Lurker]

This whole concept of Grand-Mufti, Major Mullah, Supreme Retard etc should be done away with. Why do folks in this day and age need "guidance" from somebody?? Half of these Muftis speak one language, other half speaks other and the listener is only happy to get screwed by both. Sabse pahle to maaro joota in saale Mufti aur Pope ko. :hitler: