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On 25/08/2016 at 2:27 PM, velu said:

Welspun india down from 100++ levels to 50 levels in 4 days ..

caught cheating US retail guys red handed :giggle:

 

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/stocks/news/welspun-india-falls-most-in-16-years-as-target-corp-severs-business-ties/articleshow/53820481.cms

Thanks to that , Massive spike in Tridents volumes in past few days . 

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6 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

The ones doing Day trading , which are the stocks you do normally . its been a while I did Intra day , but havent been comfortable with any stock yet . 

Back then , Tata Power ,Tata Motor ,  ONGC , BHEL and SBI where my fav's .

 

mostly i trade based on events/results .. no gambling before the results

when i have nothing todo , i usually check the top gainers/losers and top traded stocks

 

bhel , jetairwys , hdil , lupin , m&m , infy , relince , icici are some of my fav stoks

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On 25/08/2016 at 8:19 PM, randomGuy said:

Bro u were asking so with this hope of multibagger returns I am invested in aym syntex, omkar spec., arman fin. , satin creditcare, HGS.

 

in shilpa med, alembic pharma, oriental carbon etc. I am invested but since they have appreciated, I don't expect multibagger returns.

 

Sonata s/w, infinte comp., icici etc also look good to me. Either invested or looking to buy/add here.

 

can fin, yes bank, motilal , iifl etc are good shares but I have booked profits here.

 

J&K bank , I bought @110 , so in loss here but I think it has bottomed ....but lets see.

 

Please do ur own due diligence n my views are biased since i am invested

 

 

Hoping for a better results , last year was bad ..you think the Kashmir situation will have a big impact ? Thats my only concern with this stock , since they have so much exposure in the state .

 

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5 minutes ago, velu said:

 

mostly i trade based on events/results .. no gambling before the results

when i have nothing todo , i usually check the top gainers/losers and top traded stocks

 

bhel , jetairwys , hdil , lupin , m&m , infy , relince , icici are some of my fav stoks

Okay nice , whom do you trade with ? Hows the brokerage like ? 

I use ICICI , it kinda sucks to do intra trade cos of high brokerage ..though I have been comfortable with their portal for 13 years now I have stayed with them.

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8 minutes ago, jusarrived said:

Okay nice , whom do you trade with ? Hows the brokerage like ? 

I use ICICI , it kinda sucks to do intra trade cos of high brokerage ..though I have been comfortable with their portal for 13 years now I have stayed with them.

i use zerodha .. one of the lowest brokerage ( 20rs per completed order ) and they provide all the advanced trading terminals..

and they have regular 60 day challenge , if we dont lose money in those 60 days they reimburse the brokerage 

 

i trade only in options and usually all the brokers charge 1% of the premium or fixed 40 to 50rs per lot ..

but in zerodha even if i buy or sell 10 lots , i need to pay only 20Rs :aha:

 

for Q1 ( jan to march ) my total option premium was close to 80L .. i paid 1620rs only ( total 81 orders only ) ..

but if i had used anand rathi or other brokers , my brokerage itselff might have crossed 80k 

 

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13 hours ago, jusarrived said:

Hoping for a better results , last year was bad ..you think the Kashmir situation will have a big impact ? Thats my only concern with this stock , since they have so much exposure in the state .

 

its anybody's guess. I compare adjusted book value (= book value - NPA) with current price. I went by management's guidance but results (NPAs) kept on getting worse. They have 50% J&K exposure, 50%outside. CASA is extremely good (40-45%). Let's see. J&K exposure is a concern imo.

 

 

 

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On 29/08/2016 at 7:44 PM, velu said:

i use zerodha .. one of the lowest brokerage ( 20rs per completed order ) and they provide all the advanced trading terminals..

and they have regular 60 day challenge , if we dont lose money in those 60 days they reimburse the brokerage 

 

i trade only in options and usually all the brokers charge 1% of the premium or fixed 40 to 50rs per lot ..

but in zerodha even if i buy or sell 10 lots , i need to pay only 20Rs :aha:

 

for Q1 ( jan to march ) my total option premium was close to 80L .. i paid 1620rs only ( total 81 orders only ) ..

but if i had used anand rathi or other brokers , my brokerage itselff might have crossed 80k 

 

I also use Zerodha

I would like to know your opinion on wisdom capital life time plan of 1947/.

I have contacted them  ,they have sent me their account opening form through email.

I normally do options trading in Nifty,Bank Nifty,other stocks  in day trading of other Stocks

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1 hour ago, tweaker said:

I also use Zerodha

I would like to know your opinion on wisdom capital life time plan of 1947/.

I have contacted them  ,they have sent me their account opening form through email.

I normally do options trading in Nifty,Bank Nifty,other stocks  in day trading of other Stocks

i compared both in chittorgarh .. it looks wisdom is little cheaper 

but overall both are cheap and we need to for the reliable ones..

 

when compared to trading platforms zerodha is far more advanced than anyone else..

had 2 or 3 outages in the last 6 months , but zerodha is quick to fix and most issues are related to upgrades..

zerodha consistently upgrades their trading platform  .. i use mostly kite than pi

 

i do trade exclusively in options and i dont think i can save much by moving to rksv or sas ..

my view is its better to trade with zerodha

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7 hours ago, tweaker said:

My brokerage is almost 4000 for the period from April to aug,so i was thinking of opening account with broker offering lifetime plans

 

 

i trade on a average 3 or 4 per day .. 60 to 120rs per day

are you participating in 60 day challenge , they ll reimburse our brokerage if we dont lose money

 

coming from anand rathi n sharekahn , zerodha is like oasis for me ..

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On 29/08/2016 at 7:44 PM, velu said:

i use zerodha .. one of the lowest brokerage ( 20rs per completed order ) and they provide all the advanced trading terminals..

and they have regular 60 day challenge , if we dont lose money in those 60 days they reimburse the brokerage 

 

i trade only in options and usually all the brokers charge 1% of the premium or fixed 40 to 50rs per lot ..

but in zerodha even if i buy or sell 10 lots , i need to pay only 20Rs :aha:

 

for Q1 ( jan to march ) my total option premium was close to 80L .. i paid 1620rs only ( total 81 orders only ) ..

but if i had used anand rathi or other brokers , my brokerage itselff might have crossed 80k 

 

I have heard good things about Zerodha , may be I need to switch .

 

In past week my volumes are close to 20Lac and I have paid ~1800 brokerage , even though I have a prepaid plan with ICICI .  Pretty expensive , just that I dont speculate much I havent bothered much .

 

Do you have similar options , like margin , margin plus trade in Zerodha . I personally like margin where I can carry forward my Daily trade to T+5 with a small penalty . 

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1 hour ago, jusarrived said:

I have heard good things about Zerodha , may be I need to switch .

 

In past week my volumes are close to 20Lac and I have paid ~1800 brokerage , even though I have a prepaid plan with ICICI .  Pretty expensive , just that I dont speculate much I havent bothered much .

 

Do you have similar options , like margin , margin plus trade in Zerodha . I personally like margin where I can carry forward my Daily trade to T+5 with a small penalty . 

 

no margin for delivery trades on equity .. but there is no brokerage on deliveries on equity 

i dont trade in equity .. in zerodha they give margin on shares which we own ( if we have shares , we can use it to trade in f&o )..

they have margin for intraday like other brokers and they give margins for intraday in F&O too..

 

i heard about zerodha in 2011 too , but didnt bother to try them bcoz i though it as too good to be true in the long run..

but i am totally satisifed and i opened my acc in this jan only 

 

zerodha is realy for good F&O trades

 

 

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4 hours ago, jusarrived said:

There is no clear trend , but I would tread carefully if I was a trader. 

I would love for some of the stocks to correct a little . 

 

After a 20% rally from Brexit lows, how much correction can we expect? Can we consider it as a bearish economy if we fall below Brexit lows?

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12 hours ago, randomGuy said:

bought persistant @618, bought lg balakrishna bros @517, bulking up on omkar as well as aym systex.

Why persistent ? 

I know they are expanding big time , leased a big office recently here in Bangalore expecting new clients . 

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5 hours ago, jusarrived said:

Why persistent ? 

I know they are expanding big time , leased a big office recently here in Bangalore expecting new clients . 

 It's in IoT (with IBM Watson) , smac n cloud migration (associated with Microsoft as azure experts) etc...plus honest management....has set itself target of becoming $1bn revenue co.

Plus small mcap 4k-5k cr.... enough scope to multiply...

 

Anything u buying for long term?

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On 16/09/2016 at 6:42 AM, randomGuy said:

 It's in IoT (with IBM Watson) , smac n cloud migration (associated with Microsoft as azure experts) etc...plus honest management....has set itself target of becoming $1bn revenue co.

Plus small mcap 4k-5k cr.... enough scope to multiply...

 

Anything u buying for long term?

I have been holding Havells , Yes Bank and Marico for 4 years or more. Any major dips I will add more , especially Marico . 

Recent investments : TVS motors and RBL Bank  .

 

Very small investment in RBL at the moment , bought it ~298 . Good asset quality , very low NPA's and the growth has been impressive in past few years . They are expanding fast , this may not necessarily be a good thing . Strong Management . I havent found many reasons not to buy this stock . it looks good for mid term as well imo . I think I will add some more between 295 -300 and more if it dips to ~270 . 

 

Shree Pushkar ( CMP 119 )  : Almost 70% revenues comes from Dye intermediates and rest from Fertilizers , cattle feeds etc . The company evolved from  Chemical Trading in early 90s to Manufacturing , so a relative late entrant . They are moving up the value chain , have added capacity . Claim to be a zero waste company . Impressive revenue growth in last 3-4 years , FY17 onwards the top line growth is expected to be higher . 

Risk : China clamping  down on some of the Dye intermediate/ Chemical companies due to environmental concerns was one of the reasons the focus is moved to India which is the second biggest source for these products . There is actually a shortage of supply  and thus he prices of these products spiked up 2-3 times in last one year . so you will notice a sudden revenue jump in most of the companies in this sector . There is no other alternative as its banned in all the developed countries . There is also a massive demand in the domestic market . I dont expect India to take similar actions , but keeping on eye on China .

 

The stock has been range bound in past 3-4 months . I started accumulating ~100 and my average price is 109 .  I dont see a big downside for this stock from current levels . May need to be patient with it .

 

 

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On 16/09/2016 at 1:24 AM, jusarrived said:

I had few lots of REL @1060 and @1070  at a average price of 9.1 and 8 . Sold everything last Friday ~13.5 . Decent profits , but today its at more than double my investment :( 

Make that 4 times my investment . :( 

REL has looked strong since the Jio launch . 

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On 16/09/2016 at 7:46 PM, velu said:

i sell options for living :aha:

 

Whats your strategy ? Do you go short on put as well ? 

I find it difficult to short unless I have a buy position , just in case to limit my losses . Occasionally have made money on both , but more often it just eats into my profits on buy . 

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7 hours ago, jusarrived said:

Whats your strategy ? Do you go short on put as well ? 

I find it difficult to short unless I have a buy position , just in case to limit my losses . Occasionally have made money on both , but more often it just eats into my profits on buy . 

 

i short calls as well as puts .. but i will sort outside the money options only and also premium i get should be decent

stock options are volatile and premiums are high .. its better to short than buy ( like when u are bullish on bhel , sell put )

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On 18/09/2016 at 10:14 PM, velu said:

 

i short calls as well as puts .. but i will sort outside the money options only and also premium i get should be decent

stock options are volatile and premiums are high .. its better to short than buy ( like when u are bullish on bhel , sell put )

isnt there a bigger risk attached to that approach ? your losses can be unlimited and profits are limited . 

When I buy put/call at the most I lose is the premium cost & one a good month I have had 10 times profits . I am not saying your approach is wrong , just trying to understand . I prefer volatility as well , though you need to spend more time monitoring . 

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On 18/09/2016 at 10:14 PM, velu said:

 

i short calls as well as puts .. but i will sort outside the money options only and also premium i get should be decent

stock options are volatile and premiums are high .. its better to short than buy ( like when u are bullish on bhel , sell put )

isnt there a bigger risk attached to that approach ? your losses can be unlimited and profits are limited . 

When I buy put/call at the most I lose is the premium cost & one a good month I have had 10 times profits . I am not saying your approach is wrong , just trying to understand . I prefer volatility as well , though you need to spend more time monitoring . 

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isnt there a bigger risk attached to that approach ? your losses can be unlimited and profits are limited . 

When I buy put/call at the most I lose is the premium cost & one a good month I have had 10 times profits . I am not saying your approach is wrong , just trying to understand . I prefer volatility as well , though you need to spend more time monitoring . 

in theory, risk is more..

But if we have more than 10L to play with , writing is safer than futures too

I don't write at the money options and usually i hold it for max 2 or 3 days ( if i do based on events like results )..

If we write properly when volatility is expected to drop , we make money even if we predict the direction of the mkt wrong ..

Like after results , bhel moved from 135 to 160.. Next day bhel corrected a bit and closed arnd 155 .. Cost of 140 put was less than theb previous day..

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56 minutes ago, velu said:

in theory, risk is more..

But if we have more than 10L to play with , writing is safer than futures too

I don't write at the money options and usually i hold it for max 2 or 3 days ( if i do based on events like results )..

If we write properly when volatility is expected to drop , we make money even if we predict the direction of the mkt wrong ..

Like after results , bhel moved from 135 to 160.. Next day bhel corrected a bit and closed arnd 155 .. Cost of 140 put was less than theb previous day..

Thanks. how do you select which option to write? so assuming bhel gave good result n move from 135 to 160. So, now just for the next day (for a single day only) , you expect the price to correct (from 160 to 155). So shouldn't u be writing out of money call ( like 170 call) for that one day? But I guess you chose to writing the 140 put looking at the result assuming the trend is up and ignored downward movement for that 1 day and focused on volatility reduction?

 

Is writing out of money option a semi-decent strategy to earn small sums of money close to expiry? For ex. in following nifty option chain for sept., Writing 8500 put as much close to expiry ( 1 or 2 days) as possible and earn whatever little (10-12 rupee) premium is there till premium goes to zero at  expiry -

https://www.nseindia.com/live_market/dynaContent/live_watch/option_chain/optionKeys.jsp

 

 

 

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Thanks. how do you select which option to write? so assuming bhel gave good result n move from 135 to 160. So, now just for the next day (for a single day only) , you expect the price to correct (from 160 to 155). So shouldn't u be writing out of money call ( like 170 call) for that one day? But I guess you chose to writing the 140 put looking at the result assuming the trend is up and ignored downward movement for that 1 day and focused on volatility reduction?

 

Is writing out of money option a semi-decent strategy to earn small sums of money close to expiry? For ex. in following nifty option chain for sept., Writing 8500 put as much close to expiry ( 1 or 2 days) as possible and earn whatever little (10-12 rupee) premium is there till premium goes to zero at  expiry -

https://www.nseindia.com/live_market/dynaContent/live_watch/option_chain/optionKeys.jsp

 

 

 

I will write a put only if i expect the price to go up..

I expected bhel to go up but i also wants some safety..

Writing 140 put gives some margin of safety when the stock corrects from the current trend..

Advantage in writing immediately after any event is that we can still make money of the high vix..

Anyway we can't make money every time

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6 minutes ago, velu said:

I will write a call only if i expect the price to go up..

I expected bhel to go up but i also wants some safety..

Writing 140 put gives some margin of safety when the stock corrects from the current trend..

bro I thought one writes a call if he is bearish.

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4 minutes ago, velu said:

Sorry..

Will write put only when i m bullish

bro pls answer this as well -

 

Is writing out of money option a semi-decent strategy to earn small sums of money close to expiry? For ex. in following nifty option chain for sept., Writing 8500 put as much close to expiry ( 1 or 2 days) as possible and earn whatever little (10-12 rupee) premium is there till premium goes to zero at  expiry -

 

https://www.nseindia.com/live_market/dynaContent/live_watch/option_chain/optionKeys.jsp

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, velu said:

Sorry..

Will write put only when i m bullish

pls answer this as well -

"Is writing out of money option a semi-decent strategy to earn small sums of money close to expiry? For ex. in following nifty option chain for sept., Writing 8500 put as much close to expiry ( 1 or 2 days) as possible and earn whatever little (10-12 rupee) premium is there till premium goes to zero at  expiry -

 

https://www.nseindia.com/live_market/dynaContent/live_watch/option_chain/optionKeys.jsp "

 

 

 

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