Whether Virat Kohli overtook Sachin as the test batsmen ??

[Vijy]

On 8/25/2021 at 1:12 PM, maniac said:

Good post. I know it’s an unpopular opinion given his antics and current popularity overall but in fact I would say he is a great batsman.

He was a borderline great batsman for 3-4 years. Since the past 2 years, he has been a borderline tailender.

[vvvslaxman]

13 hours ago, Vancouver said:

 

Kohli is running out of time, 33 in 2 months. Root's worst year he averaged 37 in 2019 at age of 28. Kohli averaged 19 in 2020, and 24 in 2021 at the age of 33. Root has hit 5 centuries in last 11 tests, Kohli 0. Most batsmen hit their career peek in late 20s or early 30s, Root is going through that phase now and expect him to score at least 10 centuries in next 2 years. Hand eye coordination deteriorates a lot after 33, it happened to Ponting, Sehwag and many more. Kohli is done.

 

 

He is a rich brat now that he doesn't really have any motivation to better himself as a cricketer.

[Gambit]

Given Kohli is nearing the end of his test career, might be a better time to vote on who is better.

[Bigg Brother]

[Lord]

6 hours ago, Gambit said:

Given Kohli is nearing the end of his test career, might be a better time to vote on who is better.

 

Normally I play safe, but I'd wager that Sachin edges it.

[New guy]

Sachin ke jhaat ke barabar bhi nahi hai

[Gollum]

Only Indian I have seen in the last 20 years who can challenge Sachin's spot is Jaiswal. He has age on his side, and fire in his belly unlike the Shaws and Gills. 

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Only Indian I have seen in the last 20 years who can challenge Sachin's spot is Jaiswal. He has age on his side, and fire in his belly unlike the Shaws and Gills. 

 

He's seen as a young unbridled guy now. Real pressure would be when he becomes the main hope.

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

He's seen as a young unbridled guy now. Real pressure would be when he becomes the main hope.

Tough uprbinging, and he is on the right path unlike Kambli/Shaw. That should give hope that he will handle the expectations. 

[Nikhil_cric]

He was on his way to do so. And he well could have if he wasn't so stubborn about his technique. 

[R!TTER]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

Normally I play safe, but I'd wager that Sachin edges it.

You mean LBW c/o *nor 

[goose]

these old threads are always a good way to check is who is older than 7

[sensible-indian]

26 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

He was on his way to do so. And he well could have if he wasn't so stubborn about his technique. 

 

Never was in test cricket.

 

Even when he was averaging the same as Pujara at home (62-63), I used to mention how misleading that stat was.

 

The only time Kohli looked like he would be better than Tendulkar (in ODIs) was the pre 2014 version.

 

That guy was a true monster. Tendulkar & Dhoni combined.

 

Way way way better than even the statistical marvel that is 2016-2019 ODI Kohli.

Edited January 6, 2025 by sensible-indian

[Ultimate_Game]

5 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

 

Never was in test cricket.

 

Even when he was averaging the same as Pujara at home (62-63), I used to mention how misleading that stat was.

 

The only time Kohli looked like he would be better than Tendulkar (in ODIs) was the pre 2014 version.

 

That guy was a true monster. Tendulkar & Dhoni combined.

 

Way way way better than even the statistical marvel that is 2016-2019 ODI Kohli.

 

That "statistical marvel" still went missing cometh WCs. All those 100s while chasing and a batting average touching 60 in bilaterals and went missing when the stakes were high.

[sensible-indian]

29 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

That "statistical marvel" still went missing cometh WCs. All those 100s while chasing and a batting average touching 60 in bilaterals and went missing when the stakes were high.

Yes. Exactly.

 

Thats why he is inferior for me compared to pre 2014 Kohli.

[Adamant]

In tests, Kohli is not good enough to tie Gavaskar/Dravid's shoelaces let alone Tendulkar.

 

There was a point in 2018, where I believed he could get there but the lack of cuts/punches eventually showed up as reflexes got slower.

 

For me in ODIS he is way ahead as he has better performances in KO's too along with generally being a better match winner, add to this that Sachin himself was not too great in KO's. I mean the only  Sachin knock in world cup KO'S is that 81 against pak with 4 drops, so the bar is not really high. Kohli overtook him in runs tally in a single world cup too and did better than what Sachin did in both the semis and finals.

 

He is done now, and should be dropped from all formats.

[Suhaan]

11 hours ago, Gollum said:

Only Indian I have seen in the last 20 years who can challenge Sachin's spot is Jaiswal. He has age on his side, and fire in his belly unlike the Shaws and Gills. 

Lol,Gill?

Gill is a payndu,it's BCCI who is projecting him as a clown

Gill has cemented hands and foot ,will never be good

Yes there will be brief periods of fair runs but not more

He should be dropped for atleast 1 year across formats

[Nikhil_cric]

11 hours ago, sensible-indian said:

 

Never was in test cricket.

 

Even when he was averaging the same as Pujara at home (62-63), I used to mention how misleading that stat was.

 

The only time Kohli looked like he would be better than Tendulkar (in ODIs) was the pre 2014 version.

 

That guy was a true monster. Tendulkar & Dhoni combined.

 

Way way way better than even the statistical marvel that is 2016-2019 ODI Kohli.

2016-19 was not just a statistical marvel.  That SA tour of 2017/18 has some tough pitches where nobody else could bat and he scored heavily from memory 

[sensible-indian]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

2016-19 was not just a statistical marvel.  That SA tour of 2017/18 has some tough pitches where nobody else could bat and he scored heavily from memory 

Was talking about odi bhai.

[New guy]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

In tests, Kohli is not good enough to tie Gavaskar/Dravid's shoelaces let alone Tendulkar.

 

There was a point in 2018, where I believed he could get there but the lack of cuts/punches eventually showed up as reflexes got slower.

 

For me in ODIS he is way ahead as he has better performances in KO's too along with generally being a better match winner, add to this that Sachin himself was not too great in KO's. I mean the only  Sachin knock in world cup KO'S is that 81 against pak with 4 drops, so the bar is not really high. Kohli overtook him in runs tally in a single world cup too and did better than what Sachin did in both the semis and finals.

 

He is done now, and should be dropped from all formats.

Thats not the only sachin KO in world cups, he averages 51 in world cup semis and finals with 2 match winnings knocks

 

In the semi of 96 he scored 63 on one of the most difficult second innings wicket ever and only got out in a freakish way

 

In 2003 scored a match winning 83, albeit against kenya in the semis

 

In 2011 his knock in the semis was match winnings and the difference, you can cry about drops you want, but kohli's entire test career is because of his drops and misses in the english series and other series he succeded, every batsman has that

 

He failed in 2 finals but the sample size is too small and its a freak incident, not a pattern, he has one of the all time great record in tournament finals in general, outside world cup, averaging 55 in tournament finals with 6 100s, this includes india first series win against aus outside aus and first series win against aus in Aus