Does Rohit have what it takes to open overseas against quality pace attacks?

[mancalledsting]

13 minutes ago, maniac said:

Exactly and Rohit too upped his game when it mattered, he won us 2 knockout games in WC2015 and CT 2017...now before we go in circles that it was only Bangladesh etc...WC qf 2015 would have been more humiliating pi cr of history than the CT final had it not been for that knock.

 

You missed the 100 in the series before the world cup against a rampaging Starc where every batsman was blown away and is rated by many as one of the finest odi 100s.

 

You missed his knocks in the South African tour against a tremendous pace attack in the series we ended up losing.

 

I agree with you that Dhawan is the top 3 for us in Odis but my ranking is different,he is no.3

sorry last tour to South Africa I can only see flop shows from Rohit; would you kindly post the scorecard. Here's how Rohit did last time in South Africa on bowler friendly wickets against a good pace attack:

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/engine/series/648627.html

[maniac]

Just now, mancalledsting said:

sorry last tour to South Africa I can only see flop shows from Rohit; would you kindly post the scorecard. Here's how Rohit did last time in South Africa on bowler friendly wickets against a good pace attack:

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-india-2013-14/engine/series/648627.html

Every one failed in the series,I am talking about SA tour to India where they ended up winning the series where apart from Rohit and Kohli everyone went missing.

[maniac]

You are cleverly navigating around his performances in Australia

 

[mancalledsting]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Lol so You want to remove the one of the only 2 guys who can play genuine pace and is the 2nd best player in the side out of wc2019 and go with Kohli+Dhawan+ U19 youngsters+ 5 or 6 other passengers we have currently in the side? Good luck with that

 

or are you suggesting to get rid of 90% of the team and replace them with the u-19 team?

 

sorry i am still not getting your argument...doesn’t make sense

of course it doesn't make sense, you're clearly in love with Rohit and love is blind. 

[maniac]

1 minute ago, mancalledsting said:

of course it doesn't make sense, you're clearly in love with Rohit and love is blind. 

You seem to be the type who throws away the meat and eats the bones,can you answer rest of my post....if it is just blind hate than substantial cricketing sense,then I am out

[mancalledsting]

14 minutes ago, maniac said:

You are cleverly navigating around his performances in Australia

 

No I was waiting to see which chewt would dare to go there actually. Do you mean those flattest wickets (look at the scores of all batsmen across the series) of all time against second string Aussie pace attack where even Manish Pandey scored a century?

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895807/australia-vs-india-1st-odi/

 

first ODI above. do you know he actually sucked momentum out of Indian total by hogging overs. KP was commentating that match and was speaking about how Rohit should have accelerated sooner and how it would cost India and it did. We lost. second string Australian pace attack 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895809/australia-vs-india-2nd-odi/

 

second ODI, again total easily chased down. second string Australian pace attack 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895813/australia-vs-india-4th-odi/

 

4th ODI, I agree, excellent knock at high SR, but second string Australian pace attack 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895815/australia-vs-india-5th-odi/

 

5th ODI also good knock, but Australia had Hastings and Mitchell Marsh as front line seamers. 

 

Mitchell starc didn't play all series FYI

Edited February 2, 2018 by mancalledsting

[mancalledsting]

13 minutes ago, maniac said:

Every one failed in the series,I am talking about SA tour to India where they ended up winning the series where apart from Rohit and Kohli everyone went missing.

Did you read title of the thread? better to do that next time before engaging in senseless jousting duel where you don't even know what your fighting for. Key words: quality, pace, attack, overseas

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

No I was waiting to see which chewt would dare to go there actually. Do you mean those flattest wickets (look at the scores of all batsmen across the series) of all time where even Manish Pandey scored a century?

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895807/australia-vs-india-1st-odi/

 

first ODI above. do you know he actually sucked momentum out of Indian total by hogging overs. KP was commentating that match and was speaking about how Rohit should have accelerated sooner and how it would cost India and it did. We lost. second string Australian pace attack 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895809/australia-vs-india-2nd-odi/

 

second ODI, again total easily chased down. second string Australian pace attack 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895813/australia-vs-india-4th-odi/

 

4th ODI, I agree, excellent knock at high SR, but second string Australian pace attack 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11188/scorecard/895815/australia-vs-india-5th-odi/

 

5th ODI also good knock, but Australia had Hastings and Mitchell Marsh as front line seamers. 

 

Mitchell starc didn't play all series FYI

What about the innings pre World Cup...you keep navigating timelines to prove  your theory,it’s hard to keep up(not in a complimentary way)

 

Also why should you discount home performances...fair enough if you discount SL

or WI but he was the star of the South African series when they toured which we LOST and they had a terrific attack in that series.

 

 

 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Did you read title of the thread? better to do that next time before engaging in senseless jousting duel where you don't even know what your fighting for. Key words: quality, pace, attack, overseas

How many players are there better than him overseas...you keep flying around like a chipmunk on coffee it’s hard to construct an argument.

 

Just calm down and pull up his averages overseas as an opener in comparison with others 

 

Then you bring up World Cup etc

 

As I said you are not able to have a constructive argument because there is no substance here

 

[mancalledsting]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

What about the innings pre World Cup...you keep navigating timelines to prove  your theory,it’s hard to keep up(not in a complimentary way)

 

Also why should you discount home performances...fair enough if you discount SL

or WI but he was the star of the South African series when they toured which we LOST and they had a terrific attack in that series.

 

 

 

I asked you to post those scorecards earlier, you cited them in your defence not me, so don't try and slyly push that onto me. 

 

because if home performances mattered in this context then Suresh Raina would be our number 4 in WC2019. 

[mancalledsting]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

What about the innings pre World Cup...you keep navigating timelines to prove  your theory,it’s hard to keep up(not in a complimentary way)

 

Also why should you discount home performances...fair enough if you discount SL

or WI but he was the star of the South African series when they toured which we LOST and they had a terrific attack in that series.

 

 

 

found the special innings from Rohit that you keep harping on about. 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/carlton-mid-triangular-series-2015/engine/series/754623.html

 

ok so one good innings overseas against good pace bowlers...who's using Dhoni supporters logic now?

[maniac]

33 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

I didn't cite a solitary game in defence of Dhawan, rather there were multiple instances. MSD on the other hand did nothing significant in WC 2011 except performance in the final. So its not the same logic

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8676/scorecard/754749/australia-vs-india-2nd-match-carlton-mid-odi-tri-series-2014-15/

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11287/scorecard/903593/India-vs-South-Africa-1st-ODI-south-africa-tour-of-india-2015-16/

 

Look at those bowling attacks and the rest of the bats performance

 

You have already discounted his knockouts performance,Australian tour performance,His 3 200s etc etc so what’s left...I mean how ridiculous that sounds discounting all that 

 

 

[mancalledsting]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

How many players are there better than him overseas...you keep flying around like a chipmunk on coffee it’s hard to construct an argument.

 

Just calm down and pull up his averages overseas as an opener in comparison with others 

 

Then you bring up World Cup etc

 

As I said you are not able to have a constructive argument because there is no substance here

 

Ok so current one day openers better in overseas conditions than Rohit:

 

Jason Roy 

Alex Hales

Johnny Bairstow

Quinton De Kock

David Warner 

Aaron Finch

Martin Guptill 

Hashim Amla 

Chris Gayle 

Dhawan

 

[maniac]

3 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

found the special innings from Rohit that you keep harping on about. 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/carlton-mid-triangular-series-2015/engine/series/754623.html

 

ok so one good innings overseas against good pace bowlers...who's using Dhoni supporters logic now?

That is because you are showing Dhawans only 2 moments under the sun and asking me to show Rohit’s performances after discounting some of his incredible records....it’s like a handicap match  

[maniac]

^ despite that I was able to bring same amount of clutch innings 

[Dada's Army]

36 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

I'm saying get rid of this overhyped piece of crap. His hype is what screwed up the test series, and his hype will carry him through to WC2019 where he'll cock it up for India. His test failures are relevant, its further proof of his ineptitude against quality pace bowling. 

Let’s put your rants aside for a second. Basic question-Who replaces him?

[mancalledsting]

9 minutes ago, maniac said:

That is because you are showing Dhawans only 2 moments under the sun and asking me to show Rohit’s performances after discounting some of his incredible records....it’s like a handicap match  

2 moments under the sun? WTF.... you're just digging deeper and deeper hole for yourself 

 

Rohit Sharma ODI Career:

Average: 45.06
Strike Rate:86.99

Shikhar Dhawan ODI Career:

Average: 44.75

Strike Rate: 92.86

 

on stats alone Dhawan is better (Strike rate bhi imporant hain), but considering his performance in tournaments, he is head and shoulders above Rohit

Edited February 2, 2018 by mancalledsting

[maniac]

10 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Ok so current one day openers better in overseas conditions than Rohit:

 

Jason Roy 

Alex Hales

Johnny Bairstow

Quinton De Kock

David Warner 

Aaron Finch

Martin Guptill 

Hashim Amla 

Chris Gayle 

Dhawan

 

Chris Gayle? When was the last time he even played a odi

 

already buster the Dhawan myth.

 

Gutpill and Bairstow really

 

Hales,Roy  Finch what have the accomplished that Rohit hasn’t ?

 

Dekock is so far only an India basher

 

Amla is probably the most useless LOI bat ever

 

Warner you have a case there.

 

 

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

2 moments under the sun? WTF.... you're just digging deeper and deeper hole for yourself 

 

Rohit Sharma ODI Career:

Average: 45.06
Strike Rate:86.99

Shikhar Dhawan ODI Career:

Average: 44.75

Strike Rate: 92.86

 

on stats alone Dhawan is better (Strike rate bhi imporant hain), but considering his performance in tournaments, he is head and shoulders above Rohit

Not the same ...apples to oranges....Rohit played in the middle order for 4 years, stop trying to con people...can you pull the odi stats for both as openers?

 

good try though 

[mancalledsting]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Chris Gayle? When was the last time he even played a odi

 

already buster the Dhawan myth.

 

Gutpill and Bairstow really

 

Hales,Roy  Finch what have the accomplished that Rohit hasn’t ?

 

Dekock is so far only an India basher

 

Amla is probably the most useless LOI bat ever

 

Warner you have a case there.

 

 

clearly that 250 knock vs Sri Lanka in the cycle pure aggarbathies series has wooed you to the point of no return. He will get picked as an opener in 2019 WC and I seriously hope he proves me wrong... I seriously doubt he will tho.