zen Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) since all the established batsmen of previous generation retired, below is how are batsmen have fared: View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2014 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 10 of 10 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 2014-2019 55 94 5 5106 243 57.37 8475 60.24 20 12 6 554 13 CA Pujara 2014-2019 51 86 4 3836 202 46.78 8637 44.41 12 16 6 443 9 AM Rahane 2014-2019 53 89 8 3271 188 40.38 6421 50.94 9 15 6 359 24 S Dhawan 2014-2018 29 51 1 1996 190 39.92 3038 65.70 6 5 4 263 10 M Vijay 2014-2018 41 72 1 2726 155 38.39 5967 45.68 9 11 7 305 24 RG Sharma 2014-2018 23 41 6 1252 102* 35.77 2351 53.25 1 10 3 113 27 RA Jadeja 2014-2019 35 52 13 1380 100* 35.38 2139 64.51 1 10 3 134 38 KL Rahul 2014-2019 34 56 2 1905 199 35.27 3282 58.04 5 11 6 225 14 WP Saha 2014-2018 30 42 8 1090 117 32.05 2392 45.56 3 5 5 103 11 R Ashwin 2014-2018 46 67 6 1573 118 25.78 3060 51.40 2 8 2 175 8 Only two batsmen are averaging above 41, further highlighting the importance of ARs such as Pandya (as has been discussed) Edited January 6, 2019 by zen Link to comment
zen Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, R.D forever said: Jeez are u still trying to fool people with the same crap. That was no way an exceptional innings. That was throwing his bat at everything after 8 wickets with no pressure whatsoever. He has never soaked the pressure and played a long innings. Even the 50 in England was a declaration innings. Why don't u post his other scores in Eng and SA. He didn't even cross 30 once .. This Aus series win is a proof that pandya is not needed and infact the main reason for series loss in SA and Eng Not interested in such crap^ where performance by Pandya are insinuated as a fluke and when struggles and inconsistencies by the specialist batsman are seen as better .... there is a thread on Performances in SEA too Link to comment
R.D forever Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 So ur no 5 is bad so u should have a bits and pieces batsman at no 6? So that he can come and hit 20 runs?? What a stupid logic. If your no 5 is bad you should have a proper batsman at 6. Like Vihari. And Kohli has realised that now. Link to comment
zen Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just now, R.D forever said: So ur no 5 is bad so u should have a bits and pieces batsman at no 6? So that he can come and hit 20 runs?? What a stupid logic. If your no 5 is bad you should have a proper batsman at 6. Like Vihari. And Kohli has realised that now. Why would you persist with a bad #5? If Vihari is a better prospect why not play him at 5? Vihari is only good on paper so far and played on relatively good batting tracks. For e.g. where he scored 40+, Pant scored 100s and Jadeja 50+ too. If Vihari had debuted in SA, his avg could be way lower So you are not strengthening the batting by playing more inconsistent / struggling batsmen. And they are not going to cover for failures for your favorite specialists, whom you are probably trying to shield Batting since Vihari's debut (away games) View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date greater than or equal to 7 Sep 2018 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 17 of 17 First Previous Next Last Return to query menu Cleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s MA Agarwal 2 3 0 195 77 65.00 375 52.00 0 2 0 19 5 CA Pujara 5 9 0 558 193 62.00 1362 40.96 3 1 2 55 2 RR Pant 5 9 1 469 159* 58.62 627 74.80 2 0 0 47 9 RA Jadeja 3 5 1 189 86* 47.25 325 58.15 0 2 0 22 2 V Kohli 5 9 0 331 123 36.77 755 43.84 1 1 2 37 1 RG Sharma 2 4 1 106 63* 35.33 199 53.26 0 1 0 7 3 KL Rahul 4 7 0 243 149 34.71 379 64.11 1 0 1 29 2 AM Rahane 5 9 0 254 70 28.22 577 44.02 0 2 1 23 3 GH Vihari 4 7 0 167 56 23.85 458 36.46 0 1 1 19 1 R Ashwin 1 2 0 30 25 15.00 94 31.91 0 0 0 1 0 M Vijay 2 4 0 49 20 12.25 154 31.81 0 0 1 4 0 If you hate Pandya, it is ok. Don't talk logic and stuff Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, zen said: Why would you persist with a bad #5? If Vihari is a better prospect why not play him at 5? Vihari is only good on paper so far and played on relatively good batting tracks. For e.g. where he scored 40+, Pant scored 100s and Jadeja 50+ too. If Vihari had debuted in SA, his avg could be way lower So you are not strengthening the batting by playing more inconsistent / struggling batsmen. And they are not going to cover for failures for your favorite specialists, whom you are probably trying to shield Batting since Vihari's debut (away games) If you hate Pandya, it is ok. Don't talk logic and stuff And if Pandya had opened in SA he would be averaging in single digit. We played both SA and Eng series on pitches where batting was easiest for no 6 and generally in such conditions you require no 6 to be a good contributor with old ball. Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 11 22 0 1138 153 51.72 2125 53.55 4 5 2 129 2 CA Pujara 10 20 1 706 132* 37.15 1953 36.14 3 3 3 76 2 AM Rahane 9 18 0 513 81 28.50 1142 44.92 0 4 1 51 3 KL Rahul 9 18 0 377 149 20.94 647 58.26 1 0 3 51 2 RR Pant 6 12 0 353 114 29.41 536 65.85 1 0 1 36 10 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 7 14 2 246 38 20.50 415 59.27 0 0 0 34 1 S Dhawan 5 10 0 194 44 19.40 325 59.69 0 0 0 28 0 RG Sharma 4 8 1 184 63* 26.28 389 47.30 0 1 0 16 4 M Vijay 7 14 0 177 46 12.64 588 30.10 0 0 3 19 0 GH Vihari 3 6 0 125 56 20.83 362 34.53 0 1 1 14 1 MA Agarwal 1 2 0 118 76 59.00 263 44.86 0 1 0 12 3 RA Jadeja 2 4 1 108 86* 36.00 211 51.18 0 1 0 15 1 Mohammed Shami 11 21 4 105 28 6.17 153 68.62 0 0 6 13 2 B Kumar 2 4 1 101 33 33.66 252 40.07 0 0 0 11 0 But instead what we get? KL Rahul averages 21 with new ball and so does Pandya. Hanuma Vihari averages same and was forced to open in Aus. Ashwin who is a specialist bowler averages same as Pandya. Bhuvneswar Kumar and Jadeja averages higher. That's where matches are lost. Once ball is old, your no 6 is at same level as opener and other tail enders. Link to comment
zen Posted January 7, 2019 Author Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Trichromatic said: And if Pandya had opened in SA he would be averaging in single digit. We played both SA and Eng series on pitches where batting was easiest for no 6 and generally in such conditions you require no 6 to be a good contributor with old ball. Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Kohli 11 22 0 1138 153 51.72 2125 53.55 4 5 2 129 2 CA Pujara 10 20 1 706 132* 37.15 1953 36.14 3 3 3 76 2 AM Rahane 9 18 0 513 81 28.50 1142 44.92 0 4 1 51 3 KL Rahul 9 18 0 377 149 20.94 647 58.26 1 0 3 51 2 RR Pant 6 12 0 353 114 29.41 536 65.85 1 0 1 36 10 HH Pandya 7 14 1 283 93 21.76 461 61.38 0 2 2 42 2 R Ashwin 7 14 2 246 38 20.50 415 59.27 0 0 0 34 1 S Dhawan 5 10 0 194 44 19.40 325 59.69 0 0 0 28 0 RG Sharma 4 8 1 184 63* 26.28 389 47.30 0 1 0 16 4 M Vijay 7 14 0 177 46 12.64 588 30.10 0 0 3 19 0 GH Vihari 3 6 0 125 56 20.83 362 34.53 0 1 1 14 1 MA Agarwal 1 2 0 118 76 59.00 263 44.86 0 1 0 12 3 RA Jadeja 2 4 1 108 86* 36.00 211 51.18 0 1 0 15 1 Mohammed Shami 11 21 4 105 28 6.17 153 68.62 0 0 6 13 2 B Kumar 2 4 1 101 33 33.66 252 40.07 0 0 0 11 0 But instead what we get? KL Rahul averages 21 with new ball and so does Pandya. Hanuma Vihari averages same and was forced to open in Aus. Ashwin who is a specialist bowler averages same as Pandya. Bhuvneswar Kumar and Jadeja averages higher. That's where matches are lost. Once ball is old, your no 6 is at same level as opener and other tail enders. To ensure that the team is able to perform to its potential, as I said, we have to optimize the 5 batting and bowling slots first. If that happens Pant+Pandya provide versatility and boost to the line up If you are dropping Pujara, playing with struggling batsmen, not picking likes of Agarwal for Aus (only came in as a replacement), then no #6 or #7 is not going to save you unless you play someone of the caliber of Pujara or Kohli in that position. And if you are doing that you would have some ATG batsmen among the top 5 batting slots .... As for Vihari, he is more like a glorified night watchman at the moment. As mentioned before, has played in relatively good batting condition (which would have in fact suited Pandya) and got outbatted by both Pant and Jadeja If we have Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, and Ganguly, and if it is b/w an inform Ganguly and a new comer Pandya, I can understand playing the extra batsman. The line up has Sehwag, Tendulkar and Ganguly, who can bowl too. In the current set up that is not the case, and Pandya, who is unique with his ability to score test 100s and bowl at 140+, is being replaced by glorified night watchmen .... And as discussed, Pandya could have played in Aus, which suits both his batting and bowling, over one of KL/Rohit, Rahane and Vihari PS Anyways, the series is over .... My line up for 2019, playing in WI and Ind Agarwal Shaw Pujara Kolhi Gill (debut) Pant Pandya Spinner / Pacer Kuldeep Shami Bumrah Edited January 7, 2019 by zen Link to comment
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