Are we missing Pandya already?

[zen]

since all the established batsmen of previous generation retired, below is how are batsmen have fared:

 

View overall figures [change view]

Primary team India

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2014

Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 1000

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Page 1 of 1

Showing 1 - 10 of 10

First Previous

Next  Last

Return to query menu Cleared query menu

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	2014-2019	55	94	5	5106	243	57.37	8475	60.24	20	12	6	554	13
CA Pujara	2014-2019	51	86	4	3836	202	46.78	8637	44.41	12	16	6	443	9
AM Rahane	2014-2019	53	89	8	3271	188	40.38	6421	50.94	9	15	6	359	24
S Dhawan	2014-2018	29	51	1	1996	190	39.92	3038	65.70	6	5	4	263	10
M Vijay	2014-2018	41	72	1	2726	155	38.39	5967	45.68	9	11	7	305	24
RG Sharma	2014-2018	23	41	6	1252	102*	35.77	2351	53.25	1	10	3	113	27
RA Jadeja	2014-2019	35	52	13	1380	100*	35.38	2139	64.51	1	10	3	134	38
KL Rahul	2014-2019	34	56	2	1905	199	35.27	3282	58.04	5	11	6	225	14
WP Saha	2014-2018	30	42	8	1090	117	32.05	2392	45.56	3	5	5	103	11
R Ashwin	2014-2018	46	67	6	1573	118	25.78	3060	51.40	2	8	2	175	8

 

Only two batsmen are averaging above 41, further highlighting the importance of ARs such as Pandya (as has been discussed) 

Edited January 6, 2019 by zen

[zen]

4 minutes ago, R.D forever said:

Jeez are u still trying to fool people with the same crap. That was no way an exceptional innings. That was throwing his bat at everything after 8 wickets with no pressure whatsoever. He has never soaked the pressure and played a long innings. Even the 50 in England was a declaration innings. Why don't u post his other scores in Eng and SA. He didn't even cross 30 once .. 

 

This Aus series win is a proof that pandya is not needed and infact the main reason for series loss in SA and Eng

Not interested in such crap^ where performance by Pandya are insinuated as a fluke and when struggles and inconsistencies by the specialist batsman are seen as better  .... there is a thread on Performances in SEA too 

 

 

[R.D forever]

So ur no 5 is bad so u should have a bits and pieces batsman at no 6?  So that he can come and hit 20 runs?? What a stupid logic.

 

If your no 5 is bad you should have a proper batsman at 6. Like Vihari. And Kohli has realised that now. 

[zen]

Just now, R.D forever said:

So ur no 5 is bad so u should have a bits and pieces batsman at no 6?  So that he can come and hit 20 runs?? What a stupid logic.

 

If your no 5 is bad you should have a proper batsman at 6. Like Vihari. And Kohli has realised that now. 

Why would you persist with a bad #5? If Vihari is a better prospect why not play him at 5? Vihari is only good on paper so far and played on relatively good batting tracks. For e.g. where he scored 40+, Pant scored 100s and Jadeja 50+ too. If Vihari had debuted in SA, his avg could be way lower 

 

So you are not strengthening the batting by playing more inconsistent / struggling batsmen. And they are not going to cover for failures for your favorite specialists, whom you are probably trying to shield 

 

Batting since Vihari's debut (away games)

 

View overall figures [change view]

Primary team India

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date greater than or equal to 7 Sep 2018

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Page 1 of 1

Showing 1 - 17 of 17

First Previous

Next  Last

Return to query menu Cleared query menu

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MA Agarwal	2	3	0	195	77	65.00	375	52.00	0	2	0	19	5
CA Pujara	5	9	0	558	193	62.00	1362	40.96	3	1	2	55	2
RR Pant	5	9	1	469	159*	58.62	627	74.80	2	0	0	47	9
RA Jadeja	3	5	1	189	86*	47.25	325	58.15	0	2	0	22	2
V Kohli	5	9	0	331	123	36.77	755	43.84	1	1	2	37	1
RG Sharma	2	4	1	106	63*	35.33	199	53.26	0	1	0	7	3
KL Rahul	4	7	0	243	149	34.71	379	64.11	1	0	1	29	2
AM Rahane	5	9	0	254	70	28.22	577	44.02	0	2	1	23	3
GH Vihari	4	7	0	167	56	23.85	458	36.46	0	1	1	19	1
R Ashwin	1	2	0	30	25	15.00	94	31.91	0	0	0	1	0
M Vijay	2	4	0	49	20	12.25	154	31.81	0	0	1	4	0

 

 

If you hate Pandya, it is ok. Don't talk logic and stuff 

 

[Trichromatic]

5 hours ago, zen said:

Why would you persist with a bad #5? If Vihari is a better prospect why not play him at 5? Vihari is only good on paper so far and played on relatively good batting tracks. For e.g. where he scored 40+, Pant scored 100s and Jadeja 50+ too. If Vihari had debuted in SA, his avg could be way lower 

  

So you are not strengthening the batting by playing more inconsistent / struggling batsmen. And they are not going to cover for failures for your favorite specialists, whom you are probably trying to shield 

  

 Batting since Vihari's debut (away games)

 



If you hate Pandya, it is ok. Don't talk logic and stuff 

And if Pandya had opened in SA he would be averaging in single digit.

 

We played both SA and Eng series on pitches where batting was easiest for no 6 and generally in such conditions you require no 6 to be a good contributor with old ball.

 

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	11	22	0	1138	153	51.72	2125	53.55	4	5	2	129	2
CA Pujara	10	20	1	706	132*	37.15	1953	36.14	3	3	3	76	2
AM Rahane	9	18	0	513	81	28.50	1142	44.92	0	4	1	51	3
KL Rahul	9	18	0	377	149	20.94	647	58.26	1	0	3	51	2
RR Pant	6	12	0	353	114	29.41	536	65.85	1	0	1	36	10
HH Pandya	7	14	1	283	93	21.76	461	61.38	0	2	2	42	2
R Ashwin	7	14	2	246	38	20.50	415	59.27	0	0	0	34	1
S Dhawan	5	10	0	194	44	19.40	325	59.69	0	0	0	28	0
RG Sharma	4	8	1	184	63*	26.28	389	47.30	0	1	0	16	4
M Vijay	7	14	0	177	46	12.64	588	30.10	0	0	3	19	0
GH Vihari	3	6	0	125	56	20.83	362	34.53	0	1	1	14	1
MA Agarwal	1	2	0	118	76	59.00	263	44.86	0	1	0	12	3
RA Jadeja	2	4	1	108	86*	36.00	211	51.18	0	1	0	15	1
Mohammed Shami	11	21	4	105	28	6.17	153	68.62	0	0	6	13	2
B Kumar	2	4	1	101	33	33.66	252	40.07	0	0	0	11	0

 

 

 

But instead what we get? KL Rahul averages 21 with new ball and so does Pandya. Hanuma Vihari averages same and was forced to open in Aus. Ashwin who is a specialist bowler averages same as Pandya. Bhuvneswar Kumar and Jadeja averages higher.

 

That's where matches are lost. Once ball is old, your no 6 is at same level as opener and other tail enders. 

 

[zen]

3 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

And if Pandya had opened in SA he would be averaging in single digit.

 

We played both SA and Eng series on pitches where batting was easiest for no 6 and generally in such conditions you require no 6 to be a good contributor with old ball.

 

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli	11	22	0	1138	153	51.72	2125	53.55	4	5	2	129	2
CA Pujara	10	20	1	706	132*	37.15	1953	36.14	3	3	3	76	2
AM Rahane	9	18	0	513	81	28.50	1142	44.92	0	4	1	51	3
KL Rahul	9	18	0	377	149	20.94	647	58.26	1	0	3	51	2
RR Pant	6	12	0	353	114	29.41	536	65.85	1	0	1	36	10
HH Pandya	7	14	1	283	93	21.76	461	61.38	0	2	2	42	2
R Ashwin	7	14	2	246	38	20.50	415	59.27	0	0	0	34	1
S Dhawan	5	10	0	194	44	19.40	325	59.69	0	0	0	28	0
RG Sharma	4	8	1	184	63*	26.28	389	47.30	0	1	0	16	4
M Vijay	7	14	0	177	46	12.64	588	30.10	0	0	3	19	0
GH Vihari	3	6	0	125	56	20.83	362	34.53	0	1	1	14	1
MA Agarwal	1	2	0	118	76	59.00	263	44.86	0	1	0	12	3
RA Jadeja	2	4	1	108	86*	36.00	211	51.18	0	1	0	15	1
Mohammed Shami	11	21	4	105	28	6.17	153	68.62	0	0	6	13	2
B Kumar	2	4	1	101	33	33.66	252	40.07	0	0	0	11	0

 

 

 

But instead what we get? KL Rahul averages 21 with new ball and so does Pandya. Hanuma Vihari averages same and was forced to open in Aus. Ashwin who is a specialist bowler averages same as Pandya. Bhuvneswar Kumar and Jadeja averages higher.

 

That's where matches are lost. Once ball is old, your no 6 is at same level as opener and other tail enders. 

 

 

To ensure that the team is able to perform to its potential, as I said, we have to optimize the 5 batting and bowling slots first. If that happens Pant+Pandya provide versatility and boost to the line up 

 

If you are dropping Pujara, playing with struggling batsmen, not picking likes of Agarwal for Aus (only came in as a replacement), then no #6 or #7 is not going to save you unless you play someone of the caliber of Pujara or Kohli in that position. And if you are doing that you would have some ATG batsmen among the top 5 batting slots .... As for Vihari, he is more like a glorified night watchman at the moment. As mentioned before, has played in relatively good batting condition (which would have in fact suited Pandya) and got outbatted by both Pant and Jadeja 

 

If we have Gambhir, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, and Ganguly, and if it is b/w an inform Ganguly and a new comer Pandya, I can understand playing the extra batsman. The line up has Sehwag, Tendulkar and Ganguly, who can bowl too. In the current set up that is not the case, and Pandya, who is unique with his ability to score test 100s and bowl at 140+,  is being replaced by glorified night watchmen .... And as discussed, Pandya could have played in Aus, which suits both his batting and bowling, over one of KL/Rohit, Rahane and Vihari 

 

PS Anyways, the series is over  .... My line up for 2019, playing in WI and Ind 

 

Agarwal

Shaw

Pujara

Kolhi

Gill (debut)

Pant

Pandya

Spinner / Pacer

Kuldeep

Shami

Bumrah 

Edited January 7, 2019 by zen