Dad and daughter have daughter

[sgusa]

arey yaar its just a theory but so is god ... isnt it ?

Hey !! My Imaginary all powerful being can kick your imaginary all powerful being any day!

[f.b.m]

Hey !! My Imaginary all powerful being can kick your imaginary all powerful being any day!

True. Big gangsta'h omnipotent god can whip your sorry finite a$$ any time of the eternal day. /drunk/tired attempt.

[living]

Evolution is just a theory ... Islamic concept on Evolution YouTube - Dr. Zakir Naik on Evolution and Concept of God

lol, he said "refer to my video cassette science and the Quran" like 3-4 times :hysterical: He said more scientists are against the theory of evolution? what a joke Then he goes on to say that nothing in the Quran has been disproved. For that matter nothing in many religious books has been disproved - that doesn't make it true. It might be, but even then its only as good as the theory of evolution which also cannot be disproved.

[CC1981]

Then he goes on to say that nothing in the Quran has been disproved.

According to the Koran, the sun descends in a bubbling pool of mud at the 'end of the earth' for the night and sperm originates in the lower abdomen...i have very little time for that book, which is a steaming pile of sith and thats clear as daylight. But i don't expect Muslims to realise that- they've been brainwashed since their childhood about the Koran- as soon as they can speak they are fed lines from the Koran, as soon as they can read, they are handed the Koran...same essentially with Christian or Jewish nutters....i don't expect most people to have the ability to escape that level of brainwashing and programming....but to those who arnt brainwashed as a kid, the nonsense of the koran is pretty evident. I will give it one thing though- the Koran is a better written book than the Bible.

[Desi Cartman]

According to the Koran' date=' the sun descends in a bubbling pool of mud at the 'end of the earth' for the night and sperm originates in the lower abdomen...i have very little time for that book, which is a steaming pile of sith and thats clear as daylight. But i don't expect Muslims to realise that- they've been brainwashed since their childhood about the Koran- as soon as they can speak they are fed lines from the Koran, as soon as they can read, they are handed the Koran...same essentially with Christian or Jewish nutters....i don't expect most people to have the ability to escape that level of brainwashing and programming....but to those who arnt brainwashed as a kid, the nonsense of the koran is pretty evident. I will give it one thing though- the Koran is a better written book than the Bible.[/quote'] I had some free time at work yesterday so I saw few of his videos.. he mentions that there are numerous verses in Hindu text (Vedas, puranas) that mention about prophet Mohammed and how he will be the last prophet. That Prophet Mohammed came to India and met Raja bhoj. How Hinduism also believes in only 1 god. He also mentioned that Koran says

• Earth is round
• Mecca is in the centre of the planet
• Moon reflects the light off sun

Some of the stuff he talks about is at least interesting.

[mhr123]

According to the Koran' date=' the sun descends in a bubbling pool of mud at the 'end of the earth' for the night and sperm originates in the lower abdomen[/quote'] The close verse ur refering to is from “Till, when he (Zul Qarnain)reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout: We said: O Zul Qarnain! Either punish or show them kindness.” (Al-Kahf Chapter No 18 : 86) Analyze this Verse very carefully before drawing any conclusion “Till, when he reached the setting place of the sun…”, means that Zul Qarnain followed a route until he reached the furthest point that could be reached in the direction of the sun’s setting, which is the west of the earth. As for the idea of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible, and the tales told by storytellers that he traveled so far to the west that the sun set behind him are not true at all. Most of those stories come from the myths of the People of the Book and the fabrications and lies of their heretics. Then the verse follows : “he found it setting in a muddy spring…” means that he saw the sun as if it were setting in the ocean. This is something that everyone who goes to the coast or beach can see: it looks as if the sun is setting into the sea, but in fact it never leaves its path in which it is fixed. The muddy spring or hami’ah is derived from the word hama’ah which means ‘mud’. Now for example we say normally when we go to the beaches and say " Wow what a perfect sunset" but actually sun doesn't set it appears to us due to the rotation of the earth that it is setting.And to make it more precise the Arabic word mentioned in Quran means "it appeared to him" if few translater have made the mistake in translation its there error but the arabic meaning still says "it appeared to Zul Qarnain" (same like it appears to us that sun is setting were as Sun never sets" 2nd Quotation which u said sperm originates in the lower abdomen kindly give quotation from the quran were u have read it.

...i have very little time for that book' date=' which is a steaming pile of sith and thats clear as daylight. But i don't expect Muslims to realise that- they've been brainwashed since their childhood about the Koran- as soon as they can speak they are fed lines from the Koran, as soon as they can read, they are handed the Koran...same essentially with Christian or Jewish nutters....[/quote'] ALLAH said in so many places to those who are muslims not to be blind in reading the Quran ... and it says "Will they not then, ponder over the Quran? If it were from other than Allah they would surely have found in it much discrepancies. [4:82]" And do not follow (blindly) any information of which you have no direct knowledge. (Using your faculties of perception and conception, you must verify it for yourself). In the Court of your Lord, you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning."[17:36] And surely Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

[King]

Guys, not sure if you know but religious discussions are off limit here simply because it goes out of hand most of the times. Please show some restrain.

[CC1981]

Now for example we say normally when we go to the beaches and say " Wow what a perfect sunset" but actually sun doesn't set it appears to us due to the rotation of the earth that it is setting.And to make it more precise the Arabic word mentioned in Quran means "it appeared to him" if few translater have made the mistake in translation its there error but the arabic meaning still says "it appeared to Zul Qarnain" (same like it appears to us that sun is setting were as Sun never sets"

At no point during observing the sunset over an oceanic horizon does it look like its setting in a muddy pool.

And surely Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

Perhaps true, but that is more indicative of the folly of mankind and muslim folks far higher birth rate than non-muslim folks than anything else.

2nd Quotation which u said sperm originates in the lower abdomen kindly give quotation from the quran were u have read it.

Here you go : "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7). Link: http://www.carm.org/islam/sperm.htm Enough said, the Koran is wrong. Oh and another thing- unlike most muslim bashers, i have actually read the Koran in its translated form.Its pretty basic and while i acknowledge that its authorship is far better than the bible, it still is a pretty simplistic book written by a fanatic(or fanatics) with far limited knowledge-even by the standards of their era. I also have a very good understanding of linguistics, which is why i have very low regards for a language like Arabic, which is one of the worst languages in the world in its efficiency and authenticity in communication and grammar. That 'God' would choose one of the crudest and worst languages to communicate his teachings in itself is a pretty mindboggling concept that makes you wonder if the medieval arabs were genuinely confused between the God and the Devil, for its the kind of mischief i'd peg on a malevolent entity,not the supposedly good entity called Allah- even if the 'goodness' of Allah falls short of several other religion's concept of goodness.

[CC1981]

I had some free time at work yesterday so I saw few of his videos.. he mentions that there are numerous verses in Hindu text (Vedas, puranas) that mention about prophet Mohammed and how he will be the last prophet. That Prophet Mohammed came to India and met Raja bhoj. How Hinduism also believes in only 1 god. He also mentioned that Koran says

• Earth is round
• Mecca is in the centre of the planet
• Moon reflects the light off sun

Some of the stuff he talks about is at least interesting.

1. The only 'messiah' of hinduism is a demi-God creature called 'Kalki', who is described only in the Kalki puraan. And the description of Kalki does not match with Mohammed even in the most basic/general sense. That is a common approach of mullahs for trying to convert hindus but it has long since debunked. 2. Mecca is the center of the planet in itself proves the idiocy of the Koran- for it is implicit/tacit admission that they view the planet to be flat. For how the hell can a spherical body have only one center ??? ANY point on the surface of a sphere can be connected to its absolute center (ie, the point at the center of the earth which corresponds to the center of a sphere with the radii of the earth), thus making ANY point on the surface of the earth that lies on the equator to be equally claimant of being the 'center of the earth'. That Mecca is neither on the equator only further debunks the stories and propaganda of the Koran. 3. That the moon reflects the light of the sun has been recorded in Indian astronomy AT THE LATEST by 400 AD- which is over 200 years before the advent of Islam. That Arab world was intricately connected to India and Persia before the rise of Islam is well known historically and thus, it wouldn't surprise me one bit when the arabs plagiarized this from Indic wisdom. 4. Hinduism is pantheistic- which means, the beleif system of Hinduism CANNOT be encapsulated by any one book or school of thought- the concept of God in hinduism ranges from a typical polytheist pantheon of Devas and their arch-enemy the Asuras, to the Trinity of Brahma-Vishnu-Maheshwar to one Godhead to there being no God entity, with the universe itself being the God. Anyone who actually makes claims about 1 God in Hinduism shows a profound lack of understanding of Hinduism.

[mhr123]

mark my answer in Red

At no point during observing the sunset over an oceanic horizon does it look like its setting in a muddy pool. I already answered this , Quran says "It appeared to Zul Qarnain " - Quran doesn't say Sun was setting... i think its quite easy to understand the diff between these 2 things. Perhaps true, but that is more indicative of the folly of mankind and muslim folks far higher birth rate than non-muslim folks than anything else. See this for instance ... now days may be there is a birth rate control but in earlier days it wasn't so.Even the vedantist (not hindus -because Hindu is a wrong name given according to Swami Vivekananda) had more children . See for urself http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/ Here you go : "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7). In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, ie. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney exactly between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads continue their decent before birth to reach the scrotum outside the body through the inguinal canal. Even after the embryonic stage after the decent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply (from the Aorta) and lymphatic drainage which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs Link: http://www.carm.org/islam/sperm.htm Enough said, the Koran is wrong. Oh and another thing- unlike most muslim bashers, i have actually read the Koran in its translated form.Its pretty basic and while i acknowledge that its authorship is far better than the bible, it still is a pretty simplistic book written by a fanatic(or fanatics) with far limited knowledge-even by the standards of their era. I also have a very good understanding of linguistics, which is why i have very low regards for a language like Arabic, which is one of the worst languages in the world in its efficiency and authenticity in communication and grammar. That 'God' would choose one of the crudest and worst languages to communicate his teachings in itself is a pretty mindboggling concept that makes you wonder if the medieval arabs were genuinely confused between the God and the Devil, for its the kind of mischief i'd peg on a malevolent entity,not the supposedly good entity called Allah- even if the 'goodness' of Allah falls short of several other religion's concept of goodness.

Sry its not good that u call a author of Quran as Fanatic because its the word of GOD...Have u ever seen any responsible muslim making fun of any other religious scripture like vedas,bible etc and what do u find in quran which is very limited as Quran is for all the generation and even during this age of science u can't prove it going against the ESTABLISHED science.

[mhr123]

1. The only 'messiah' of hinduism is a demi-God creature called 'Kalki', who is described only in the Kalki puraan. And the description of Kalki does not match with Mohammed even in the most basic/general sense. That is a common approach of mullahs for trying to convert hindus but it has long since debunked. Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in Bhavishya Purana 1. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Prati Sarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 5 to 8. "A malecha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking a foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mohammad. Raja (Bhoj) after giving this Maha Dev Arab (of angelic disposition) a bath in the Panchgavya and the Ganga water (i.e. purifying him of all sins) offered him the present of his sincere devotion and showing him all reverence said, "I make obeisance to thee. O ye! The pride of mankind, the dweller in Arabia, Ye have collected a great force to kill the Devil and you yourself have been protected from the malecha opponents." The Prophecy clearly states: 1. The name of the Prophet as Mohammad. 2. He will belong to Arabia. The Sanskrit word Marusthal means a sandy track of land or a desert. 3. Special mention is made of the companions of the Prophet, i.e. the Sahabas. No other Prophet had as many companions as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). 4. He is referred as the pride of mankind (Parbatis nath). The Glorious Qur’an reconfirms this "And thou (standest) on an exalted standard of character" [Al-Qur'an 68:4]| "Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah, a beautiful pattern (of conduct)". [Al-Qur'an 33:21] 5. He will kill the devil, i.e. abolish idol worship and all sorts of vices. 6. The Prophet will be given protection against his enemy. Some people may argue that ‘Raja’ Bhoj mentioned in the prophecy lived in the 11th century C.E. 500 years after the advent of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and was the descendant in the 10th generation of Raja Shalivahan. These people fail to realise that there was not only one Raja of the name Bhoj. The Egyptian Monarchs were called as Pharaoh and the Roman Kings were known as Caesar, similarly the Indian Rajas were given the title of Bhoj. There were several Raja Bhoj who came before the one in 11th Century C.E. The Prophet did not physically take a bath in the Panchgavya and the water of Ganges. Since the water of Ganges is considered holy, taking bath in the Ganges is an idiom, which means washing away sins or immunity from all sorts of sins. Here the prophecy implies that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sinless, i.e. Maasoom. 2. According to Bhavishya Purana in the Pratisarag Parv III Khand 3 Adhay 3 Shloka 10 to 27 Maharishi Vyas has prophesised: "The Malecha have spoiled the well-known land of the Arabs. Arya Dharma is not to be found in the country. Before also there appeared a misguided fiend whom I had killed; he has now again appeared being sent by a powerful enemy. To show these enemies the right path and to give them guidance, the well-known Muhammad (pbuh), is busy in bringing the Pishachas to the right path. O Raja, You need not go to the land of the foolish Pishachas, you will be purified through my kindness even where you are. At night, he of the angelic disposition, the shrewd man, in the guise of Pishacha said to Raja Bhoj, "O Raja! Your Arya Dharma has been made to prevail over all religions, but according to the commandments of Ishwar Parmatma, I shall enforce the strong creed of the meat eaters. My followers will be men circumcised, without a tail (on his head), keeping beard, creating a revolution announcing the Aadhaan (the Muslim call for prayer) and will be eating all lawful things. He will eat all sorts of animals except swine. They will not seek purification from the holy shrubs, but will be purified through warfare. On account of their fighting the irreligious nations, they will be known as Musalmaans. I shall be the originator of this religion of the meat-eating nations." The Prophecy states that: 1. The evil doers have corrupted the Arab land. 2. Arya Dharma is not found in that land. 3. The Indian Raja need not go the Arab land since his purification will take place in India after the musalmaan will arrive in India. 4. The coming Prophet will attest the truth of the Aryan faith, i.e. Monotheism and will reform the misguided people. 5. The Prophet’s followers will be circumcised. They will be without a tail on the head and bear a beard and will create a great revolution. 6. They will announce the Aadhaan, i.e. ‘the Muslim call for prayer’. 7. He will only eat lawful things and animals but will not eat pork. The Qur’an confirms this in no less than 4 different places: In Surah Al-Baqarah chapter 2 verse 173 In Surah Al-Maidah chapter 5 verse 3 In Surah Al-Anam chapter 6 verse 145 In Surah Al-Nahl chapter 16 verse 115 "Forbidden to you for food are dead meat, blood, flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah". 8. They will not purify with grass like the Hindus but by means of sword they will fight their irreligious people. 9. They will be called musalmaan. 10. They will be a meat-eating nation. The eating of herbivorous animals is confirmed by the Qur’an in Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 1 and in Surah Muminun chapter 23 verse 21 3. According to Bhavishya Purana, Parv - III Khand 1 Adhay 3 Shloka 21-23: "Corruption and persecution are found in seven sacred cities of Kashi, etc. India is inhabited by Rakshas, Shabor, Bhil and other foolish people. In the land of Malechhas, the followers of the Malechha dharma (Islam) are wise and brave people. All good qualities are found in Musalmaans and all sorts of vices have accumulated in the land of the Aryas. Islam will rule in India and its islands. Having known these facts, O Muni, glorify the name of thy lord". The Qur’an confirms this in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 33 and in Surah Al Saff chapter 61 verse 9: "It is He who hath sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it)". A similar message is given in Surah Fatah chapter 48 verses 28 ending with, "and enough is Allah as a witness". II Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Prophesised in Atharvaveda 1. In the 20th book of Atharvaveda Hymn 127 Some Suktas (chapters) are known as Kuntap Sukta. Kuntap means the consumer of misery and troubles. Thus meaning the message of peace and safety and if translated in Arabic means Islam. Kuntap also means hidden glands in the abdomen. These mantras are called so probably because their true meaning was hidden and was to be revealed in future. Its hidden meaning is also connected with the navel or the middle point of this earth. Makkah is called the Ummul Qur’a the mother of the towns or the naval of the earth. In many revealed books it was the first house of Divine worship where God Almighty gave spiritual nourishment to the world. The Qur’an says in Surah Ali-Imran chapter 3, verse 96: "The first house (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakkah (Makkah) full of blessings and of guidance and for all kinds of beings". Thus Kuntap stands for Makkah or Bakkah. Several people have translated these Kuntap Suktas like M. Bloomfield, Prof. Ralph Griffith, Pandit Rajaram, Pandit Khem Karan, etc. The main points mentioned in the Kuntap Suktas i.e. in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 127 verses 1-13 are: 1. Mantra 1 He is Narashansah or the praised one (Muhammad). He is Kaurama: the prince of peace or the emigrant, who is safe, even amongst a host of 60,090 enemies. 2. Mantra 2 He is a camel-riding Rishi, whose chariot touches the heaven. 3. Mantra 3 He is Mamah Rishi who is given a hundred gold coins, ten chaplets (necklaces), three hundred good steeds and ten thousand cows. 4. Mantra 4 Vachyesv rebh. ‘Oh! ye who glorifies’. 1. The Sanskrit word Narashansah means ‘the praised one’, which is the literal translation of the Arabic word Muhammad (pbuh). The Sanskrit word Kaurama means ‘one who spreads and promotes peace’. The holy Prophet was the ‘Prince of Peace’ and he preached equality of human kind and universal brotherhood. Kaurama also means an emigrant. The Prophet migrated from Makkah to Madinah and was thus also an Emigrant. 2. He will be protected from 60,090 enemies, which was the population of Makkah. The Prophet would ride a camel. This clearly indicates that it cannot be an Indian Rishi, since it is forbidden for a Brahman to ride a camel according to the Sacred Books of the East, volume 25, Laws of Manu pg. 472. According to Manu Smirti chapter 11 verse 202, "A Brahman is prohibited from riding a camel or an ass and to bathe naked. He should purify himself by suppressing his breath". 3. This mantra gave the Rishi's name as Mamah. No rishi in India or another Prophet had this name Mamah which is derived from Mah which means to esteem highly, or to revere, to exalt, etc. Some Sanskrit books give the Prophet’s name as ‘Mohammad’, but this word according to Sanskrit grammar can also be used in the bad sense. It is incorrect to apply grammar to an Arabic word. Actually shas the same meaning and somewhat similar pronunciation as the word Muhammad (pbuh). He is given 100 gold coins, which refers to the believers and the earlier companions of the Prophet during his turbulent Makkan life. Later on due to persecution they migrated from Makkah to Abysinia. Later when Prophet migrated to Madinah all of them joined him in Madinah. The 10 chaplets or necklaces were the 10 best companions of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) known as Ashra-Mubbashshira (10 bestowed with good news). These were foretold in this world of their salvation in the hereafter i.e. they were given the good news of entering paradise by the Prophet’s own lips and after naming each one he said "in Paradise". They were Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Talha, Zubair, Abdur Rahman Ibn Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, Saad bin Zaid and Abu Ubaidah (May Allah be well-pleased with all of them). The Sanskrit word Go is derived from Gaw which means ‘to go to war’. A cow is also called Go and is a symbol of war as well as peace. The 10,000 cows refer to the 10,000 companions who accompanied the Prophet (pbuh) when he entered Makkah during Fateh Makkah which was a unique victory in the history of mankind in which there was no blood shed. The 10,000 companions were pious and compassionate like cows and were at the same time strong and fierce and are described in the Holy Quran in Surah Fatah: "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other." [Al-Qur'an 48:29] 4. This mantra calls the Prophet as Rebh which means one who praises, which when translated into Arabic is Ahmed, which is another name for the Holy Prophet (pbuh). 2. Battle of the Allies described in the Vedas. It is mentioned in Atharvaveda Book XX Hymn 21 verse 6, "Lord of the truthful! These liberators drink these feats of bravery and the inspiring songs gladdened thee in the field of battle. When thou renders vanquished without fight the ten thousand opponents of the praying one, the adoring one." 1. This Prophecy of the Veda describes the well-known battle of Ahzab or the battle of the Allies during the time of Prophet Muhammed. The Prophet was victorious without an actual conflict which is mentioned in the Qur’an in Surah Ahzab: "When the believers saw the confederate forces they said, "This is what Allah and His Messenger had promised us and Allah and His Messenger told us what was true." And it only added to their faith and their zeal in obedience." [Al-Qur'an 33:22] 2. The Sanskrit word karo in the Mantra means the ‘praying one’ which when translated into Arabic means ‘Ahmed’, the second name of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh). 3. The 10,000 opponents mentioned in the Mantra were the enemies of the Prophet and the Muslims were only 3000 in number. 4. The last words of the Mantra aprati ni bashayah means the defeat was given to the enemies without an actual fight. 3. The enemies’ defeat in the conquest of Makkah is mentioned in Atharvaveda book 20 Hymn 21 verse no 9: "You have O Indra, overthrown 20 kings and 60,099 men with an outstripping Chariot wheel who came to fight the praised one or far famed (Muhammad) orphan." 1. The population of Makkah at the time of Prophet’s advent was nearly 60,000 2. There were several clans in Makkah each having its own chief. Totally there were about 20 chiefs to rule the population of Makkah. 3. An Abandhu meaning a helpless man who was far-famed and ‘praised one’. Muhammad (pbuh) overcame his enemies with the help of God. III Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the Rigveda A similar prophecy is also found in Rigveda Book I, Hymn 53 verse 9: The Sanskrit word used is Sushrama, which means praiseworthy or well praised which in Arabic means Muhammad (pbuh). IV Muhummad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is also prophesised in the Samveda Book II Hymn 6 verse 8: "Ahmed acquired from his Lord the knowledge of eternal law. I received light from him just as from the sun." The Prophecy confirms: 1. The name of the Prophet as Ahmed since Ahmed is an Arabic name. Many translators misunderstood it to be Ahm at hi and translated the mantra as "I alone have acquired the real wisdom of my father". 2. Prophet was given eternal law, i.e. the Shariah. 3. The Rishi was enlightened by the Shariah of Prophet Muhammad. The Qur’an says in Surah Saba chapter 34 verse 28 "We have not sent thee but as a universal (Messenger) to men, giving them glad tidings and warning them (against sin), but most men understand not." [Al-Qur'an 34:28] 2. Mecca is the center of the planet in itself proves the idiocy of the Koran- for it is implicit/tacit admission that they view the planet to be flat. For how the hell can a spherical body have only one center ??? ANY point on the surface of a sphere can be connected to its absolute center (ie, the point at the center of the earth which corresponds to the center of a sphere with the radii of the earth), thus making ANY point on the surface of the earth that lies on the equator to be equally claimant of being the 'center of the earth'. That Mecca is neither on the equator only further debunks the stories and propaganda of the Koran. Mecca is in the center of the earth is not mentioned anywhere in the Quran and but still its nothing to do with our faith 3. That the moon reflects the light of the sun has been recorded in Indian astronomy AT THE LATEST by 400 AD- which is over 200 years before the advent of Islam. That Arab world was intricately connected to India and Persia before the rise of Islam is well known historically and thus, it wouldn't surprise me one bit when the arabs plagiarized this from Indic wisdom. Evidence plz 4. Hinduism is pantheistic- which means, the beleif system of Hinduism CANNOT be encapsulated by any one book or school of thought- the concept of God in hinduism ranges from a typical polytheist pantheon of Devas and their arch-enemy the Asuras, to the Trinity of Brahma-Vishnu-Maheshwar to one Godhead to there being no God entity, with the universe itself being the God. Anyone who actually makes claims about 1 God in Hinduism shows a profound lack of understanding of Hinduism.

[Gambit]

CC and mhr, guys, can we end the religious discussion here? As ravi said, it's against our policy. Anymore posts on religion will lead to this thread being locked.

[mhr123]

Sry Gambo + Mods... i didn't start it.

[THX_1138]

Evolution is just a theory ...

thats what i call a dumb f*ck... Evolution is just a theory? Theory is not an unsubstantiated statement, that is a hypothesis or conjecture. Electromagentism is a theory too... why dont you disprove it, preferably with a 12 volt batter attached to your nuts. what about the theory of special relativity? the theory of tidal motion... the theory of quantum mechanics, the theory of chemical bonding, the theory of statistical thermodynamics, or the theory of zakir naik is an apologist for an outdated religion...

[Lurker]

Hain? I never knew this thread went all religious...:nervous:

[f.b.m]

Evolution is just a theory? Theory is not an unsubstantiated statement, that is a hypothesis or conjecture. Electromagentism is a theory too... why dont you disprove it, preferably with a 12 volt batter attached to your nuts. what about the theory of special relativity? the theory of tidal motion... the theory of quantum mechanics, the theory of chemical bonding, the theory of statistical thermodynamics, or the theory of zakir naik is an apologist for an outdated religion...

Damn, go away. Stop posting the exact same things that I do. :P Btw, observe the curious but annoying selective ignoring of questions like this one by evolution bashers. And also, please dont abuse him by saying things like "dumb fu*ck", etc. I've met quite a few of these people (british, pakistani and indian muslims) and theyre programmed to think this way from their upbringing. They all "think critically and logically about religion", consider "all options with an open mind" and miraculously none of them deviate away from their religion of birth and all of them "choose islam as the obvious answer". And there's no point in asking them for an opinion on these issues. Have you seen videos of Zakir Naik and his ilk? Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V and you get the opinion of million others. And if Zakir Naik's answer to your question isnt on the internet, dont expect him to give an answer to you. /endrant.

[THX_1138]

Damn, go away. Stop posting the exact same things that I do. :P Btw, observe the curious but annoying selective ignoring of questions like this one by evolution bashers. And also, please dont abuse him by saying things like "dumb fu*ck", etc. I've met quite a few of these people (british, pakistani and indian muslims) and theyre programmed to think this way from their upbringing. They all "think critically and logically about religion", consider "all options with an open mind" and miraculously none of them deviate away from their religion of birth and all of them "choose islam as the obvious answer". And there's no point in asking them for an opinion on these issues. Have you seen videos of Zakir Naik and his ilk? Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V and you get the opinion of million others. And if Zakir Naik's answer to your question isnt on the internet, dont expect him to give an answer to you. /endrant.

oh the dumb f*ck comment (my first explitive here btw, usually i prefer the less abrasive "fracker") was for the dude in the video not the poster. i dont know what the poster believes, i can only comment on the orator in the video!

[f.b.m]

Actually, you CAN know what the poster believes, unless its an elaborate parody.

[THX_1138]

Actually' date=' you CAN know what the poster believes, unless its an elaborate parody.[/quote'] yeah if he posts his views and i have not read enough of what he says to draw a conclusion. Data my dear Watson... i need data!

[mhr123]

thats what i call a dumb f*ck... Evolution is just a theory? Theory is not an unsubstantiated statement, that is a hypothesis or conjecture. Electromagentism is a theory too... why dont you disprove it, preferably with a 12 volt batter attached to your nuts. what about the theory of special relativity? the theory of tidal motion... the theory of quantum mechanics, the theory of chemical bonding, the theory of statistical thermodynamics, or the theory of zakir naik is an apologist for an outdated religion...

In popular usage, a theory is just a vague and fuzzy sort of fact.But to a scientist a theory is a conceptual framework that *explains* existing facts and predicts new ones. For instance, today I saw the Sun rise. This is a fact. This fact is explained by the theory that the Earth is round and spins on its axis while orbiting the sun. This theory also explains other facts, such as the seasons and the phases of the moon, and allows me to make predictions about what will happen tomorrow. This means that in some ways the words "fact" and "theory" are interchangeable. The organisation of the solar system, which I used as a simple example of a theory, is normally considered to be a fact that is explained by Newton's theory of gravity. And so on. A hypothesis is a tentative theory that has not yet been tested. Typically, a scientist devises a hypothesis and then sees if it "holds water" by testing it against available data. If the hypothesis does hold water, the scientist declares it to be a theory.

Electromagentism is a theory too... why dont you disprove it' date=' preferably with a 12 volt batter attached to your nuts. what about the theory of special relativity? the theory of tidal motion[/quote'] All these things mentioned by you was a theory and now it is considered to be fact and it can't take "U" turn. Big Bang theory was a theory but now its an established Fact... even though we use the word theory along with Big Bang.

the theory of zakir naik is an apologist for an outdated religion...

We say "bring ur prove if ur truthful" just by saying it u can't say its an outdated religion. Produce one and only one outdated thing which u find in our religious scriptures. Judge a religion by its religious scriptures not by the people who follow it.