Vijy Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 8 hours ago, zen said: Rashid is in a slightly different mould. He was tall like Kumble with a similar run up (Kumble was once a medium pacer iirc). Probably would have a slight more extended run up when bowling quick than when bowling spin. the reason I don't equate him with kumble is not because of body type, but because of turn. kumble needed dustbowls to get significant turn, whereas barnes could -- as per contemporary reports -- achieve high spin (overspin and sidespin) at high pace even on dead tracks. truly one of a kind bowler. 7 wkts per match at excellent avg, SR, and ER Link to comment
zen Posted June 12, 2023 Author Share Posted June 12, 2023 @Vijy what is your latest AT11 (without any restrictions) Link to comment
zen Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) My AT 11 (retired cricketers): Top Order Gavaskar: An opening batsman who is good against both pace and spin V Richards: Viv has a good record in the top 3. Averages 60+ iirc. Great player of pace bowling and can bowl off-spin too if required Bradman: 99.94 FM Middle Order Lara: Many options to consider but went with Lara to get a left-hander in. This left-hander scores quickly and has an appetite for 200s, 300s, 400s, & even 500s S Waugh: With many free-flowing stroke players around, need a gritty player to weather the storm if required. A right-hander in the left-handers dominated middle-order. Can roll his arm too if needed. Kallis, who can bowl as well, was an option too but is more of a #3-4 batsman, while Waugh, who has played over 100 tests at #5, is used to dealing with pressure situations and flexibility required at this position Sobers (c): Popularly known as the greatest cricketer. Garry will captain the side as well. He was known to be a risk-taker and a positive captain (said to have made a sporting declaration once to get a result). Maybe was playing "Bazball" long before anyone realized it. Can bowl both left-arm pace and spin Gilchrist (wk): Amazing average as a WK. At times, I wonder what his average would be if he played as a specialist batsman Bowlers Hadlee: Was in two minds about Hadlee & Imran, but went with probably the biggest match-winner with the ball of all time. Can swing, seam, bounce, and bowl accurately Marshall: Rated by many as the best pace bowler of all time. A mini-AR as well Warne: The legendary leg spinner and a useful bat Ambrose: Can be double dangerous in the 4th inning. Imagine Ambrose & Warne bowling in tandem on the last day 12th man Barnes: swing + spin Edited June 13, 2023 by zen Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, zen said: @Vijy what is your latest AT11 (without any restrictions) depends on pitch, opposition, conditions, etc. here is one XI; only current player is Smith, but he deserves to be there irrespective of how his career goes Hobbes -- best sticky wicket batter of all time perhaps; more or less inventor of batting Hutton -- probably best opener of post WW2 [close runner up: gavaskar and the super-consistent sutcliffe] Bradman ['nuff said] Graeme Pollock [greatest LHB of all time that I have encountered even in 70s/80s when he was old; introduces variety through left hand] Stewie Smith [greatest bat of 21st cen; close: george headley, viv richards, barrington, hammond] Sobers ['nuff said] Gilly (wk) [close: Andy Flower, Kumar Sanga for 1-off test; Walcott for 1-off test] Marshall [close: Steyn, Donald] Warne [close: O'Reilly, Murali, Laker] Ambrose [close: Garner, McGee, Trueman] Barnes [with almost zero video footage, possibly the greatest bowler of all time -- bowling genuine spin at genuine medium pace speed] batting till no. 9; 5 proper bowling options + 2 part-timers in stewie and pollock Edited June 13, 2023 by Vijy Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 1 hour ago, zen said: My AT 11 (retired cricketers): Top Order Gavaskar: A opening batsman who is good against both pace and spin V Richards: Viv has a good record in the top 3. Averages 60+ iirc. Great player of pace bowling and can bowl off-spin too if required Bradman: 99.94 FM Middle Order Lara: Many options to consider but went with Lara to get a left-hander in. This left-hander scores quickly and has an appetite for 200s, 300s, 400s, & even 500s S Waugh: With many free-flowing stroke players around, need a gritty player to weather the storm if required. A right-hander in the left-handers dominated middle-order. Can roll his arm too if needed. Kallis, who can bowl as well, was an option too but is more of a #3-4 batsman, while Waugh, who has played over 100 tests at #5, is used to dealing with pressure situations and flexibility required at this position Sobers (c): Popularly known as the greatest cricketer. Garry will captain the side as well. He was known to be a risk-taker and a positive captain (said to have made a sporting declaration once to get a result). Maybe was playing "Bazball" long before anyone realized it. Can bowl both left-arm pace and spin Gilchrist (wk): Amazing average as a WK. At times, I wonder what his average would be if he played as a specialist batsman Bowlers Hadlee: Was in two minds about Hadlee & Imran, but went with probably the biggest match-winner with the ball of all time. Can swing, seam, bounce, and bowl accurately Marshall: Rated by many as the best pace bowler of all time. A mini-AR as well Warne: The legendary leg spinner and a useful bat Ambrose: Can be double dangerous in the 4th inning. Imagine Ambrose & Warne bowling in tandem on the last day 12th man Barnes: swing + spin good team. richards only played for 4 innings as opener, but it was vs a strong attack Link to comment
zen Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Vijy said: depends on pitch, opposition, conditions, etc. here is one XI Hobbes -- best sticky wicket batter of all time perhaps; more or less inventor of batting Hutton -- probably best opener of post WW2 [close runner up: gavaskar and the super-consistent sutcliffe] Bradman ['nuff said] Graeme Pollock [greatest LHB of all time that I have encountered even in 70s/80s when he was old; introduces variety through left hand] Stewie Smith [greatest bat of 21st cen; close: george headley, viv richards, barrington, hammond] Sobers ['nuff said] Gilly (wk) [close: Andy Flower, Kumar Sanga for 1-off test; Walcott for 1-off test] Marshall [close: Steyn, Donald] Warne [close: O'Reilly, Murali, Laker] Ambrose [close: Garner, McGee, Trueman] Barnes [with almost zero video footage, possibly the greatest bowler of all time -- bowling genuine spin at genuine medium pace speed] batting till no. 9; 5 proper bowling options + 2 part-timers in stewie and pollock Good to see the likes of Hobbs, Hutton, Pollock, etc. Link to comment
zen Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Vijy said: good team. richards only played for 4 innings as opener, but it was vs a strong attack Richards averages 60+ in the top 3: Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0 unfiltered 1974-1991 121 182 12 8540 291 50.23 24 45 10 filtered 1976-1986 47 63 2 3787 291 62.08 13 16 2 PS 29 50+ scores in 63 innings as well! Edited June 13, 2023 by zen Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, zen said: Richards averages 60+ in the top 3: Career averages Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave 100 50 0 unfiltered 1974-1991 121 182 12 8540 291 50.23 24 45 10 filtered 1976-1986 47 63 2 3787 291 62.08 13 16 2 ^ 19 50+ scores in 63 innings as well! yes, but you have him as opener. there is a diff between the two. most no. 3s are not suitable openers. Link to comment
zen Posted June 13, 2023 Author Share Posted June 13, 2023 Just now, Vijy said: yes, but you have him as opener. there is a diff between the two. most no. 3s are not suitable openers. Richards has played all around the batting order. As an opener, he averages 70 but in 4 tests. If not for Greendige & Haynes, he may have opened in more innings He just needs to play his natural game as the team has tons of batting w/ Hadlee at 8, Marshall at 9, and Warne at 10. Link to comment
Vijy Posted June 13, 2023 Share Posted June 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, zen said: Richards has played all around the batting order. As an opener, he averages 70 but in 4 tests. If not for Greendige & Haynes, he may have opened in more innings He just needs to play his natural game as the team has tons of batting w/ Hadlee at 8, Marshall at 9, and Warne at 10. that's true. even Gilly can open, as he did that in hundreds of ODIs. Link to comment
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