Guest dada_rocks Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Groupies of obaam this time have some ready-made self-pitying issue... This time they can paint town sayign sicne he was black that's why he lost.. bottomline is democrats are clueless doesn;t matetr black or white Kerry last time I checked was not black.. Dems only salvation lies in waiting for some charismatic guy like Bill Clinton.. Yes yes this rock star can talk like him but just talking is not enough.. Till that happens you all groupies anti0indian I might add can wallow in your own self-pity
suraj Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Groupies of obaam this time have some ready-made self-pitying issue... This time they can paint town sayign sicne he was black that's why he lost.. bottomline is democrats are clueless doesn;t matetr black or white Kerry last time I checked was not black.. Dems only salvation lies in waiting for some charismatic guy like Bill Clinton.. Yes yes this rock star can talk like him but just talking is not enough.. Till that happens you all groupies anti0indian I might add can wallow in your own self-pity Your ass prolly hurts a lot because you are just talking out of it than your mouth now- you really have no clue at all about USA, Republicans, US politics at all how many months or years have you spent in US or outside India at all?? Stick to your lover Modi- you know nothing beyond that.
Guest dada_rocks Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Your ass prolly hurts a lot because you are just talking out of it than your mouth now- you really have no clue at all about USA, Republicans, US politics at all how many months or years have you spent in US or outside India at all?? Stick to your lover Modi- you know nothing beyond that. Translation: I am clueless bloody cynical idiots .......:finger:
suraj Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 Translation: I am clueless bloody cynical idiots .......:finger: What a great response- surrender accepted.
Guest dada_rocks Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 What are Barack obama's accomplisment in senate question.> it's going to hurt [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGqauDMD_6o&feature=related]YouTube - What are Barack Obama's Accomplishments in the Senate?[/ame]
riya Posted September 10, 2008 Posted September 10, 2008 All I would say is thank god we don't have clueless loonies like you giving verdicts as Judge.. You will have to take million lives to be of public good any where close to that person you are trying to vilify.. i am sure even then you will fall miserably short so please shun ur demented observation Phew , u r calling others loonies.
beetle Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 ]Since when hunting had correlation with anyone's stnad on abortion.. Get urself edcuated folks.. Last time I checkedeven more or less each and every religion gives edicts on which animal bird to hunt and eat.. I am sure Sara Palin doesn't support hunting human being unlike pro choicers ..BTW pro-choice what an euphemism for hunting babies .... So Sara Palin will rather kill animal and liberals wud rather kill babies in wombs take your pick.. I know killing itself is wrong but still Pro life/anti abortion stand makes one believe that the person is for life. Hunting .....means killing lifefor pleasure. Unless of course you believe animals do not have life.With the sickness that is in your head...I wouldn't be surprised.
CC1981 Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 BTW pro-choice what an euphemism for hunting babies .... Pro-choice is not about hunting babies- its about removing tumours. NOBODY argues in favour of late-term abortion, ie when the foetus has a heart-beat, pulse and brain-waves. Pro-choice is about removal of an unwanted foetus, before it is anything more than a lump of flesh akin to a tumour. Next time, try engaging your brain and gaining knowledge about what you are talking about, instead of just yapping away like a two-bit moron. I know your types- a simple PhD and you suddenly think you are an authority on everything under the sun.. and in your case, add the 'village baniyaa' mentality to that...pffft... Translation: I am clueless Truer words have never been spoken...you *are* clueless about US politics...so kindly, STFU and learn from those amongst us here who live in the US and have a pulse on the country. Your views about US politics and US in general are as idiotic as a redneck yankee from Kentucy comming up to me and asking me if i spoke 'Indian'. Since when hunting had correlation..... Your posts make it abundantly clear that you have no clue about the word 'correlation'. And on that, i will stake my professional opinion on (which outstrips yours, vatz). Democrats are clueless and when it comes to India their character comes in spectrum of shades ranging from downright hatred to condescansion.......... Says a lying propagandist with zero clue about the US- democrats and republicans. Anyone who thinks that Democrats in general are more hateful/condescending towards India than the republican bible-thumpers, are speaking outta their *****...plain and simple.
beetle Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Pro life/anti abortion stand makes one believe that the person is for life. Hunting .....means killing lifefor pleasure. Unless of course you believe animals do not have life.With the sickness that is in your head...I wouldn't be surprised. Sorry...I meant pro life....:P edited.
beetle Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 I am prolife and anti hunting.I oppose people who use abortion as another form of contraception. For me,life begins at conception. Contraception is not rocket science....if you are not responsible enough to prevent life ,you shouldn't be having sex which can lead to conception. Of course that doesn't mean there should be a blanket ban.The option of abortion should be open in rape cases, in cases where there is danger to the mother's life ,or in cases where the child will have extreme deformity. Abortion should be allowed with the permission of law. No one should have the right over some one else's life .Not even the parents.
CC1981 Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 ....if you are not responsible enough to prevent life ,you shouldn't be having sex which can lead to conception. Where do you draw the line ? What about a rape victim who doesnt want to have the child of the rapist ? If you are gonna say that its okay to abort in case of rape ( i notice you made the argument later on in your post), it still doesnt change the fact that it'll be the death of an innocent ( the foetus). For me,life begins at conception. Contraception is not rocket science. So then you are against female birth control ( ie, birth control pills) ? If you havn't noticed, birth control pills prevent the zygote (which is AFTER conception point) from attaching itself to the uterine walls ( as well as preventing the release of the egg). This is one area where i cast away 'morals' and look at the practicality of the situation : 1. It is NOT alive until it has conciousness...what seperates a tumour from a baby is that the baby has conciousness...ie, in the first few months of pregnancy, the 'baby' is no different from a tumour. Hence i am in full support of early stage abortion. 2. If the mother doesnt want the child, its better to abort. Yes, i know of the high-falutan argument of 'give the child away if you cant raise it', but in 99.99% cases, these kids end up in orphanages or worse and have terribly tragic lives. If the mother doesnt want the baby,the baby isnt gonna have a very good life - he/she isnt gonna get much motherly love and is gonna grow up being a ****ed up kid. So its better to end it then and there instead of condemning one to a life of suffering.
Lurker Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Where do you draw the line ? What about a rape victim who doesnt want to have the child of the rapist ? If you are gonna say that its okay to abort in case of rape ( i notice you made the argument later on in your post), it still doesnt change the fact that it'll be the death of an innocent ( the foetus). This reminds me of an incident that I encountered at Arkansas. Now Arkansas is part of what is defined as Bible belt, strictly conservative Religious right which makes one wonder how Bill Clinton won from there but thats a question for another time. So anyway there was this family in AR. The parents were what is called as "Compassionate Conservatives" meaning they are essentially Conservative but are also compassionate towards others and not entirely moralistic. The parents of this teenage girl took her to a Birth counsellor so she understands the issue of sex, responsibilities and so on. The Counsellor advised that while it was alright to expect young teenagers to have sex, one can have atleast similar experience with trying out similar but more responsible activities. The recommended steps for her was Oral sex and what is defined as dry-humping. I wont be explicit here so if one is interested he can look them up. So this kid, who has done everything right mind you, takes the advise and during one such session with her boyfriend she gets pregnant. Now what? It is not that she is not responsible. It is not that she has not talked to people who know better. It is not that she is uneducated white trash that sleeps around. None of them at all. In matters of teenage pregnancy(which forms bulk of debate when it comes to pro-choice vs pro-life) the issue is as much unprotected sex, as it is the case of things going wrong at worst time. You can be 25, have a job and have sex everyday and still not get pregnant. You are 16, you have sex once in 6 months and bam you are on your way to Motherhood. And yes I am pro-choice. xxx
kumble_rocks Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Pro choice versus Pro life debates should be left to Gynaecologists ! My gut feeling is most would be for Pro Life simply because you hear the heartbeat of the baby within 6 weeks . So , that my friends , is the essence of life ..Heartbeat!
CC1981 Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 My gut feeling is most would be for Pro Life simply because you hear the heartbeat of the baby within 6 weeks Big deal. Even a tumor has a pulse. The essence of life isnt heart-beat, you can create a beating heart in the laboratory : straight outta mechanical & biological components. The essence of life is conciousness. Until there is brain function, it is not alive.Clinically speaking, life or death is defined by the brain: you arnt pronounced dead if your heart or liver or ANY body organ stops functioning- you are pronounced dead if your brain stops functioning. Clinical death is brain death- not heart death.Stands to reason then, that the corollary is also true ( ie, clinically, presence of life is contingent on the presence of brain function). Simple as that.
Lurker Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Pro choice versus Pro life debates should be left to Gynaecologists ! My gut feeling is most would be for Pro Life simply because you hear the heartbeat of the baby within 6 weeks . So ' date=' that my friends , is the essence of life ..Heartbeat![/quote'] Just for kicks KR/CC. What do you think should be the law when it comes to steroids? I mean how can we have abortion as legal, basically telling it is my body and hence my responsibility, and then make steroids illegal? Now I can understand it being illegal in World Events as it offers undue advantage etc, however if a person is strictly using it for his physique should it be illegal? xx
CC1981 Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 What do you think should be the law when it comes to steroids? Same as with smokes or alcohol : restricted from minors but if adults wanna go burst their heart or kidneys doing steriods, i say go right ahead. Its no different than thousands killing themselves smoking or drinking themselves silly. I hold this view not just for steriords but also for most hard drugs. If a full blown adult wants to keep snorting coke till their nose is a permanent leaky faucet and all they know is coke, its their responsibility. Freedom of choice comes with consequences- if one can't take the responsibility for one's choices, then he/she is no better than a slave- and perhaps, should be treated as such. But i do think that steriod users should be barred from competetive sports just like a drunk would be deemed unfit for work if he showed up at work in that state.
THX_1138 Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Democrats are clueless and when it comes to India their character comes in spectrum of shades ranging from downright hatred to condescansion.......... name one democrat who has expressed such thoughts... you really need to go see a proctologist mate, with all that crap that is forced out, i am sure your sphincter muscles have taken quite a beating.
THX_1138 Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Just for kicks KR/CC. What do you think should be the law when it comes to steroids? I mean how can we have abortion as legal, basically telling it is my body and hence my responsibility, and then make steroids illegal? Now I can understand it being illegal in World Events as it offers undue advantage etc, however if a person is strictly using it for his physique should it be illegal? xx good point... though steroid abuse leads individuals to engage in destructive activities that can impact those around them. hence, while steroids should remain illegal, marijuana ought to be legalized.
kumble_rocks Posted September 11, 2008 Posted September 11, 2008 Big deal. Even a tumor has a pulse. The essence of life isnt heart-beat, you can create a beating heart in the laboratory : straight outta mechanical & biological components. The essence of life is conciousness. Until there is brain function, it is not alive.Clinically speaking, life or death is defined by the brain: you arnt pronounced dead if your heart or liver or ANY body organ stops functioning- you are pronounced dead if your brain stops functioning. Clinical death is brain death- not heart death.Stands to reason then, that the corollary is also true ( ie, clinically, presence of life is contingent on the presence of brain function). Simple as that. Clinical death may be brain death but from a purely metaphysical point of view,one can still argue that as long as the heart is beating, you have a human being. You have doctors who agree on this aspect. So , I am nobody to speak for or against. As regards to abortion , I was for pro choice until I heard the first heart beat of my own kid. Then I became pro life, but I am hardly fanatical about it. I can understand why women want to abort. And I will not support over turning of Roe V Wade by Conservative supreme court justices.
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