King Tendulkar Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 KR, Still no response to the plagiarizing accusation. Well paks/muslims are not allowed to think as an individual. They must all follow the same ideology to the letter, no questions asked. So cutting and pasting from another makes perfect sense
King Tendulkar Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 you won't understand... try to make us understand your ideology. Please clarify if you support Hamas in their stated aim to destroy Israel?
punjabi_khota Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 you won't understand... Perceptions are different. Neither would you. The fact is Israel is here to stay. You can cry all you want, but the state of Israel isn't going anywhere. The US-Israel combo will ensure that. Even the Arab nations have quitely understood that their asses will be handed over to them on a kabob platter if they try to mess with them. So options are limited for Hamas and its sympathizers. Either stop the attacks and live in peace with whatever land they have, or face the wrath.
kumble_rocks Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Well paks/muslims are not allowed to think as an individual. They must all follow the same ideology to the letter' date= no questions asked. So cutting and pasting from another makes perfect sense They take their marching orders from their Arab masters. It's a pity because Arabs actually consider these Pakis and SE muslims to be inferior to them . And while we are at it , look at MP go postal when it comes to Israel and he has a point sometimes, but ignore Darfur simply because his Arab masters are the oppressors in Darfur. It's beyond me how a normally fair guy like MP can behave like this....
MundaPakistani Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 I replied to your PM . Bhaiya ' date=' don't be so uptight , I read a similar post in PP , it has happened couple of times from your side. Nothing wrong with that ![/quote'] No, i am not being uptight, you accused me of plagiarism yet failed to provide any evidence... You didn't even post the source of the alleged plagiarism.
MundaPakistani Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 They take their marching orders from their Arab masters. It's a pity because Arabs actually consider these Pakis and SE muslims to be inferior to them . And while we are at it ' date=' look at MP go postal when it comes to Israel and he has a point sometimes, [b']but ignore Darfur simply because his Arab masters are the oppressors in Darfur. It's beyond me how a normally fair guy like MP can behave like this.... 1- Nonsense 2- Highly disrespectful. You keep accusing with out any evidence! The only reason i even posted on this thread was because of the way some people here were seemingly "enjoying" the deaths of innocent people and how D_R was trying to "educate" the kids of this forum with his ultra twisted historical lessons starting from 1967 and how no one spoke up against it.
King Tendulkar Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 They take their marching orders from their Arab masters. It's a pity because Arabs actually consider these Pakis and SE muslims to be inferior to them . And while we are at it ' date=' look at MP go postal when it comes to Israel and he has a point sometimes, but ignore Darfur simply because his Arab masters are the oppressors in Darfur. It's beyond me how a normally fair guy like MP can behave like this....[/quote'] Well he is not fair when it come to any issue regarding islam and muslims. As then he falls right in line with all typical islamic ways of thinking world wide. He allegedly a moderate so god help us if that is the benchmark of moderate islam. Why do people like MP not jump up and down about mistreatment of kaffirs in all islamic states? Strangley they all reamain totally quiet on this. Also many of them ive in cloud cuckoo land. They just do not face reality. Like earlier poster commented, Israel is here to stay, it is not going anyway. Its just dream of muslims to wipe it from the face of the earth, just a dream that aint gonna happen. So why dont they face reality and compromise etc. Instead you still have hamas and the rest having their stated aim to destroy Israel completley, just a dream which will just bring them years upon years of more misery. This cloud cuckoo land thinking is further exemplified by paks and their obsession with Kashmir. Kashmir will always be part of India, that is the reality, yet they will fight on for decades at their own detriment. Why dont they just decide to live in peace and compromise. They will find in years ahead there lives will be so much happier if they do
King Tendulkar Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 1- Nonsense 2- Highly disrespectful. You keep accusing with out any evidence! The only reason i even posted on this thread was because of the way some people here were seemingly "enjoying" the deaths of innocent people and how D_R was trying to "educate" the kids of this forum with his ultra twisted historical lessons starting from 1967 and how no one spoke up against it. Why dont you speak up against kaffir treatment in islamic states. The way non muslims are treated is a disgrace. You remain silent on this, no threads started on these atrocities by you. Or are you only bothered about your muslim brothers and sisters, and the kaffir is non important
kumble_rocks Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 No' date=' i am not being uptight, you accused me of plagiarism yet failed to [b']provide any evidence... You didn't even post the source of the alleged plagiarism. Boy , you Pakistanis keep insisting on evidence !:hysterical: I won't be bothered to post links from PP. But the gist of your post was discussed in the thread about Israel in PP and no surprises that it has already raked up zillion posts. Anyways , if it makes you happy , you are not a plagiarist !
MundaPakistani Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Boy ' date=' you Pakistanis keep insisting on evidence !:hysterical: [b']I won't be bothered to post links from PP. But the gist of your post was discussed in the thread about Israel in PP and no surprises that it has already raked up zillion posts. Anyways , if it makes you happy , you are not a plagiarist ! yet you are bothered to accuse me of plagiarizing...:two_thumbs_up:
kumble_rocks Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 1- Nonsense 2- Highly disrespectful. You keep accusing with out any evidence! The only reason i even posted on this thread was because of the way some people here were seemingly "enjoying" the deaths of innocent people and how D_R was trying to "educate" the kids of this forum with his ultra twisted historical lessons starting from 1967 and how no one spoke up against it. What is so disrespectful about speaking out the truth. Just visit PP and I will be vindicated . You guys keep talking about Israel , but will ignore other atrocities like Darfur , Kurds etc . And I for one, do support Palestinian statehood with Jerusalem belonging to them. And I don't condone civilian deaths.
kumble_rocks Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 yet you are bothered to accuse me of plagiarizing...:two_thumbs_up: Quit being so sensitive, willya ! Probably feeling guilty !:winky:
f.b.m Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 OK, for all of you that squirted a bit when Gaza was bombed: How do you think Hamas would react? Would it say "ok, we've learnt our lesson now" and stop? Think about it before you squirt some more. MP: The jews against Zionism isnt all that big a movement. I agree that its a good initiative but its getting way too much publicity for its size and relevance to the politcal picture.
The Outsider Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 1- Nonsense 2- Highly disrespectful. You keep accusing with out any evidence! The only reason i even posted on this thread was because of the way some people here were seemingly "enjoying" the deaths of innocent people and how D_R was trying to "educate" the kids of this forum with his ultra twisted historical lessons starting from 1967 and how no one spoke up against it. Most people on this forum, most Indians I have met, and most Americans/Europeans I have met support a separate state of Palestine and lot of them want Jerusalem to be a part of it. Except for a few nutjobs, no one has come out supporting the death of innocent civilians. Israel might have been wrong many times in the past and it's blanket attack on Gaza even this time cannot be condoned however the fact is that Hamas does not seem interested in having talks and a peaceful solution either. Let's face it, Hamas and Palestine do not have the military or diplomatic power to get a large share of the pie - for the benefit of it's civilians they should compromise, take whatever they are getting, and try to improve the civic amenities and life of their people. Even Arab countries are not supporting them. They can possibly live to fight another day when they are in a stronger position, but at the moment they are simply jeopardizing the lives of their own people.
King Tendulkar Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Most people on this forum, most Indians I have met, and most Americans/Europeans I have met support a separate state of Palestine and lot of them want Jerusalem to be a part of it. Except for a few nutjobs, no one has come out supporting the death of innocent civilians. Israel might have been wrong many times in the past and it's blanket attack on Gaza even this time cannot be condoned however the fact is that Hamas does not seem interested in having talks and a peaceful solution either. Let's face it, Hamas and Palestine do not have the military or diplomatic power to get a large share of the pie - for the benefit of it's civilians they should compromise, take whatever they are getting, and try to improve the civic amenities and life of their people. Even Arab countries are not supporting them. They can possibly live to fight another day when they are in a stronger position, but at the moment they are simply jeopardizing the lives of their own people. The two nation theory is perfectly acceptable by all. In fact the palastenians could have it quite easily really. The problem is the one group that does not accept the two nation theory are the palestinians and their elected leaders Hamas. Hamas wants and states that they will never accept the nation of Israel and its aim is to completley destroy it. This kind of leaves the two nation thoeory in a spot of bother, with Hamas charter stating this and fully backed by their pay masters Iran as identified by their president and the lets wipe israel of the face of the earth attitude. Also palestians and fellow muslims are clearly stupid as they still hark on about wanting jeruasalem. Its not going to happen and the palestinas must compromise on this but will not. I repeat it will not happen and thats just the reality whatever the wrongs and rights. Their lack of willing to compromise by palestians is exemplified by them in Camp David being offered 97% of the land they wanted in Gaza and West bank. They turned this down as wanted Jerusalem and more and more.
suraj Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 The two nation theory is perfectly acceptable by all. In fact the palastenians could have it quite easily really. The problem is the one group that does not accept the two nation theory are the palestinians and their elected leaders Hamas. Hamas wants and states that they will never accept the nation of Israel and its aim is to completley destroy it. This kind of leaves the two nation thoeory in a spot of bother' date= with Hamas charter stating this and fully backed by their pay masters Iran as identified by their president and the lets wipe israel of the face of the earth attitude. Also palestians and fellow muslims are clearly stupid as they still hark on about wanting jeruasalem. Its not going to happen and the palestinas must compromise on this but will not. I repeat it will not happen and thats just the reality whatever the wrongs and rights. Their lack of willing to compromise by palestians is exemplified by them in Camp David being offered 97% of the land they wanted in Gaza and West bank. They turned this down as wanted Jerusalem and more and more. @ the bolded portion- exactly this is what I have been stating Posting all the pics of injured people and screaming about the Israeli attack is all fine- no one wants to see people getting killed but what is the solution when one of the party involved keeps their agenda as wiping out the other community?? Should they kill themselves for the pleasure of these fanatics or should they convert to Islam to satisy these zealots or should they sit at home waiting for the next attack (like India) by these jehadis?? Yes ideally if self defense could be achieved without killing the innocent specially the kids then everyone would like to see that happen- in the abscence of that ideal scenario what is the solution?
Bumper Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 MP, no one in their right minds will approve of the death of innocent civilians. Whoever committed the crime (allegedly Israel for now), must be brought to justice. Am sure every one will agree with that. But am sure you realise, one cant just go by media reports. Where is the evidence that Israel committed these crimes ? Could it be hear say or the traditional blame game the Muslim world indulges in for years, against Israel ? You cant show some pics of Israeli jets in the sky hurling bombs. Thats not proof. For all we know, this could be a Palestinian conspiracy against Israel, how can we rule it out ? If tangible evidence is shown, am sure Israel would act against the perpetrators, trying them in local courts (as there is no extradition treaty between Israel & Palestine). However the evidence must be admissible in court, which roughly translates to a video showing Israeli fighters hugging Ariel Sharon before leaving for the battle, boarding their fighter planes, then hurling bombs, with the bomb trajectory clearly showing that it hit Palestine causing death of innocent civilians. To complete the proof, we need the DNA of the civilian, that must be matched with his/her parents whose Palestinian citizenship is well established. If you can furnish such proof, lets take this debate further. Else dont indulge in blame games, please. Am sure you appreciate all this as a Pakistani (being a victim yourself of such accusations). Lets see some proof for now. Also while you are at it, a small number of civilians totalling 170+ died in Mumbai a month ago (Kafirs ofcourse, not worthy of life) and India indulged in a similar blame game. Needless to say, nothing came out of it. So all these rumors about Israel killing civilians, could well be just that - rumor. So lets keep an open mind on this subject. Shall we ?
Dhondy Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Fu ckin' brilliant. Bumps, I am your slave for ever. :adore: :adore: :adore:
milkman Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 MP, no one in their right minds will approve of the death of innocent civilians. Whoever committed the crime (allegedly Israel for now), must be brought to justice. Am sure every one will agree with that. But am sure you realise, one cant just go by media reports. Where is the evidence that Israel committed these crimes ? Could it be hear say or the traditional blame game the Muslim world indulges in for years, against Israel ? You cant show some pics of Israeli jets in the sky hurling bombs. Thats not proof. For all we know, this could be a Palestinian conspiracy against Israel, how can we rule it out ? If tangible evidence is shown, am sure Israel would act against the perpetrators, trying them in local courts (as there is no extradition treaty between Israel & Palestine). However the evidence must be admissible in court, which roughly translates to a video showing Israeli fighters hugging Ariel Sharon before leaving for the battle, boarding their fighter planes, then hurling bombs, with the bomb trajectory clearly showing that it hit Palestine causing death of innocent civilians. To complete the proof, we need the DNA of the civilian, that must be matched with his/her parents whose Palestinian citizenship is well established. If you can furnish such proof, lets take this debate further. Else dont indulge in blame games, please. Am sure you appreciate all this as a Pakistani (being a victim yourself of such accusations). Lets see some proof for now. Also while you are at it, a small number of civilians totalling 170+ died in Mumbai a month ago (Kafirs ofcourse, not worthy of life) and India indulged in a similar blame game. Needless to say, nothing came out of it. So all these rumors about Israel killing civilians, could well be just that - rumor. So lets keep an open mind on this subject. Shall we ? Mashallah that was pawnage :hysterical::two_thumbs_up::hatsoff:
suraj Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Quit being so sensitive' date=' willya ! Probably feeling guilty !:winky:[/quote'] Some more gems from the same site: We are 1.5 Billion strong, we were a superpower of the world a few centuries ago. But unlike other empires we are still here and still growing and our time will come again, future generations of muslims, generations who deserve the name Muslim will avenge the pain our Ummah is being put through. the kaffir, jews, hindu's they will learn why you dont **** around with us and get away with it, even in our weakened state we will fight back, when we get our strength back we will march across your nations and faces, they will regret what they are doing at the moment... If they can legitimise the deaths of our people then we can do the same to them.. Muslims regardless of where they are will not simply be subdued, a muslim should never accept oppression which has been forced upon him. In the past when empires fell they became historical foot notes, the muslim ummah is growing, there are more muslims today then yesterday and there will be more muslim tomorrow then today. We may not have the power we had a few centuries ago but we are alive and kicking, our enemies whether they be the jews or hindus can laud it over us today but they should be warned and they should be worried because as soon as muslims wake up and get some of there power back we will avenge the crimes which have been forced upon us today. you,ve been watching too much of that biased channel of yours star news, 1st your own home grown hindu terrorists massacred innocent civilians and the whole world condemned it blaming pakistan, and now innocent palestinians are being massacred nothing apart from the usual ******** is being said the jewish are defending themselves from rockets being fired at them, open your eyes PAL
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