Would the following current stars get into their nations all time test XIs...?

[Sooda]

And with reasons why/why not... Here we go- 1 Shivnarine Chanderpaul 2 Graeme Smith 3 Ricky Ponting 4 Kevin Pieterson 5 Mohammed Yousuf 6 Andrew Flintoff 7 M S Dhoni 8 Zaheer Khan (3rd paceman..?) 9 Dale Steyn 10 Ajit Agarkar

[Max_Cady]

here we glo 1 Shivnarine Chanderpaul - no 2 Graeme Smith - yes 3 Ricky Ponting - no 4 Kevin Pieterson - no 5 Mohammed Yousuf - yes 6 Andrew Flintoff - no 7 M S Dhoni - yes 8 Zaheer Khan (3rd paceman..?) - hmmmmm, wait til he finishes his career 9 Dale Steyn - no 10 Ajit Agarkar - yes

[graphic23]

Chanderpaul - Probably Smith - Yes Ponting - No, given Bradman batted at that position. Australia is spoilt for treasures with batsmen. Pietersen - Probably too early to say Yousuf - No f'ing clue. Flintoff - No Dhoni - No Zaheer - No Steyn - Maybe Agarkar - Undefined.

[Sachinism]

Just put in Tendulkar, 4get the rest, he makes up for everyone

[Sachinism]

And with reasons why/why not... Here we go- 1 Shivnarine Chanderpaul - Possibly yes 2 Graeme Smith - Don't know too much of their history, but I'd say yes 3 Ricky Ponting - Aussies have a lot of history, I'll say no 4 Kevin Pieterson - No 5 Mohammed Yousuf - Yes 6 Andrew Flintoff - Hmm 7 M S Dhoni - As keeper yes 8 Zaheer Khan (3rd paceman..?) - Hmm. We don't have a good history of fast bowlers, so yes 9 Dale Steyn - Yes 10 Ajit Agarkar - 110% Yes. Legend

[punjabi_khota]

Only people about whom I can say something definite are : Ponting: Yes. Chanderpaul: No. Yousuf: Yes. Pakis haven't had too many of his class. Agarkar: :hahaha: Rest are too early to call. Maybe Flintoff is a no because the all rounder position is already taken by Botham

[Sooda]

1 Shivnarine Chanderpaul: would struggle to get in an all time WI 2nd XI despite a great record 2 Graeme Smith: Yep, Kirsten the only real competition to open with Barry Richards 3 Ricky Ponting: Punter wouldnt get in at 3 and IMHO for the other middle order slots S Waugh, Neil Harvey, Greg Chappel and possibly even Border ahead in the queue 4 Kevin Pieterson: tough one... 5 Mohammed Yousuf : Zaheer Abbas and Inzy at 4 and 5 in my all time Pak 11.. Mo Yo at 6 maybe? 6 Andrew Flintoff: a defo no with Botham around 7 M S Dhoni: from what Ive read/heard Kirmani might have been a better keeper and was a handy bat so thats a close call 8 Zaheer Khan (3rd paceman..?) Yep; L Amar Singh instead?? 9 Dale Steyn: Donald, S Pollock, and one of Nitini or P Pollock, would be in the 16 though 10 Ajit Agarkar

[Mr. Wicket]

Can those who think Ponting actually belongs in an all-time Australia XI actually name an AT Aus XI including him, then see how many other far better batsmen they leave out?

[graphic23]

Can those who think Ponting actually belongs in an all-time Australia XI actually name an AT Aus XI including him' date=' then see how many other far better batsmen they leave out?[/quote'] There's only one person who thinks Ponting belongs in an AT test XI, and thats p_k. :--D Moar pwnage on offer?

[vipin]

1 Shivnarine Chanderpaul - possibly in a 14 2 Graeme Smith - yes 3 Ricky Ponting - yes 4 Kevin Pieterson - yes 5 Mohammed Yousuf - yes 6 Andrew Flintoff - no 7 M S Dhoni - borderline / backup keeper 8 Zaheer Khan (3rd paceman..?) - yes 9 Dale Steyn - yes 10 Ajit Agarkar -- :hatsoff:

[punjabi_khota]

There's only one person who thinks Ponting belongs in an AT test XI' date=' and thats p_k. :--D Moar pwnage on offer?[/quote'] I am not the only one... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/ashes-countdown-the-alltime-australia-xi-1688368.html

[vipin]

By the way they have a cricinfo video in the videos section where they pick up their all time ashes XI . They pick pietersen to be a part of it but boham is obviously picked over freddy.

[Sooda]

I am not the only one... http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/ashes-countdown-the-alltime-australia-xi-1688368.html

Interesting articles there- for those of you who cant be askd to read ... all time Aus '11'- Trumper,Morris,Bradman,G Chappell, K Miller,A Gilly,Lindwall,Warne,Lillee,Grimmett Thats right unless im not seeing something i swear there are only 10 players in that team chosen by the newspapers finest; there is no no. 4 I cant see no Ponting there P_K ...Even if there was another bat it should be Steve Waugh and not Punt. And Tugga would captain the side. Eng team as chosen by The Independent- Sutcliffe,Hobbs,L Hutton,M Vaughn(?) K P, Knott, Larwood,Tyson,Sydney Barnes, J laker Bearing in mind these are ASHES 11s and not pure all time teams- hence Vaughn.. Trueman would defintely play otherwise, No Willis surprisingly.

[punjabi_khota]

Interesting articles there- for those of you who cant be askd to read ... all time Aus '11'- Trumper,Morris,Bradman,G Chappell, K Miller,A Gilly,Lindwall,Warne,Lillee,Grimmett Thats right unless im not seeing something i swear there are only 10 players in that team chosen by the newspapers finest; there is no no. 4 I cant see no Ponting there P_K ...Even if there was another bat it should be Steve Waugh and not Punt. And Tugga would captain the side. Eng team as chosen by The Independent- Sutcliffe,Hobbs,L Hutton,M Vaughn(?) K P, Knott, Larwood,Tyson,Sydney Barnes, J laker Bearing in mind these are ASHES 11s and not pure all time teams- hence Vaughn.. Trueman would defintely play otherwise, No Willis surprisingly.

:hysterical::hysterical: There are 11 including Ponting at #4. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/ashes-countdown-the-alltime-australia-xi-1688368.html?action=Popup&ino=4

[swami1984]

I cant see no Ponting there P_K ...Even if there was another bat it should be Steve Waugh and not Punt. And Tugga would captain the side. .

Not sure about that...Bradman was captain of the team that was called the "Invincibles"

[Mr. Wicket]

:hysterical::hysterical: There are 11 including Ponting at #4. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/ashes-countdown-the-alltime-australia-xi-1688368.html?action=Popup&ino=4

That's a ridiculous article, leaving out Border (whose record in the 80s in a golden era of bowling was head and shoulders above almost EVERYONE else). And Neil Harvey is a far superior pick for #4 than Ponting. Far better batsman to watch, more versatile and outstanding against ALL opposition on all wickets - could handle Fazal Mahmood on matting, spinners in India and South Africa (back when RSA had spinners), and high quality seam, swing and pace. That whole article is full of BS; apparently McGrath isn't good enough to be considered in that XI even though he'd walk into most all-time world XIs. Incredibly badly researched and poorly informed (but then again it IS the Independent, so up to mark with their standards of journalism); ignoring Waugh, Harvey, Border, McGrath and even the fact that O'Reilly was a superior bowler to Grimmett who they pick instead. Crazy.

[Mr. Wicket]

Oh, and what evidence is there to show Ponting would have succeeded at four? Greg Chappel OTOH spent most of his career batting at four, and averaged close to 60 there - with far greater consistency across all opposition and types of bowling than RTP ever did. Would make much more sense for a middle order to be Bradman/Chappell/either Waugh, Harvey or Border/either Border or Miller.

[Pak_Forever]

Only people about whom I can say something definite are : Ponting: Yes. Chanderpaul: No. Yousuf: Yes. Pakis haven't had too many of his class. Agarkar: :hahaha: Rest are too early to call. Maybe Flintoff is a no because the all rounder position is already taken by Botham

Zaheer Abbas, Javed Miadad, Saeed Anwar, Imran Khan, Majid Khan, Hanif Mohammad, Inzamam, Yonus Khan to name a few.

[punjabi_khota]

Zaheer Abbas' date=' Javed Miadad, Saeed Anwar,[b'] Imran Khan, Majid Khan, Hanif Mohammad, Inzamam, Yonus Khan to name a few.

I am talking about batting my friend. He is better than Younus and Anwar. Dunno about Majid. Anwar was even more of a flat track bully than Yousuf.

[Don Sharma]

Interesting articles there- for those of you who cant be askd to read ... all time Aus '11'- Trumper,Morris,Bradman,G Chappell, K Miller,A Gilly,Lindwall,Warne,Lillee,Grimmett

Neil Harvey should be there.