seedhi Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 true' date=' but i am not contesting that am i? i am stating that the destruction of the medieval india's temples and their subsequent looting was not something worth our pity or consideration.[/quote']By your logic, the Taliban was justified in destroying the Buddha statues. Every piece of ancient architecture, including the pyramids in Egypt, are probably worth blowing up as well I suppose? Someone should blow up the Taj Mahal, the Ellora Caves, Bodh Gaya and we shouldnt care? Terrorists also operate on the same line of thought, except that they add human lives also into the equation - for them neither blowing up buildings, nor killing innocents is worth consideration. Like you, a brainwashed terrorist also cares only for his own ideology and gives no importance to the feelings and sensitivity of other people i.e. of the victims and their relatives. Extrapolating your narrow minded logic, almost any vile act can be justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macj Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 true' date=' but i am not contesting that am i? i am stating that the destruction of the medieval india's temples and their subsequent looting was not something worth our pity or consideration.[/quote'] Why not? Is that the fiery atheist in you or the liberal in you speaking?Or perchance is it the utter disdain for anything not to your liking , speaking? Are believers beliefs supposed to be trampled on? Remember our discussion about socialism and religion, well here is an example, you are using the medium of atheism to justify this historic wrong (a political event). Truth be told, i think its been hammered here enough that we are led to believe its the liberals , the atheists , and the progressives who are the shining beacon for the rest of us, therefore why the religious zeal in your statements? Pardon the pun. Secondly , its an incorrect assumption that this destruction is not worth our pity, have you ever been to India? Have you seen how life revolves around temples? It was just as much impressed upon folks back in the day when everything revolved around temples, life marriage , death commerce and what not. Even your average flower seller lives and dies by the temple, the sole source of income, do you believe that person is inconsequential in your diatribe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 By your logic, the Taliban was justified in destroying the Buddha statues. Every piece of ancient architecture, including the pyramids in Egypt, are probably worth blowing up as well I suppose? Someone should blow up the Taj Mahal, the Ellora Caves, Bodh Gaya and we shouldnt care? Terrorists also operate on the same line of thought, except that they add human lives also into the equation - for them neither blowing up buildings, nor killing innocents is worth consideration. Like you, a brainwashed terrorist also cares only for his own ideology and gives no importance to the feelings and sensitivity of other people i.e. of the victims and their relatives. Extrapolating your narrow minded logic, almost any vile act can be justified. Medieval India's Temples were the pinnacle of despotic theocracies... the priests at these temples engaged in an exploitation of the masses and an obfuscation that brought them the protection from the local monarch. So yes, i do not rue their destruction. However, the Buddha statues, though a complete waste of thousands of man hours that were consumed in their construction, pale in comparison. They were not the site of some priest(s), beyond reproach and a blackhole for resources, all at the expense of the local population. Thus, they are not as serious a concern for me. Furthermore, they were not destroyed by some institution that wanted to make strides towards rationalism, equality and enlightened thought... they were destroyed by a cult that believes an ideology that is well, much worse than any other ideology on this planet. Thus, while i do not regret their destruction as they served little purpose, i do not condone their destruction by the taliban for the taliban's motives were rather despicable. Similarly, if one must insist on destroying the Taj Mahal because it represents an ideology that conflicts with their own, i would not support such a move. If someone wanted to destroy the Taj Mahal because it represented exploitation of slave labor, and brutal practices by the monarch on whose' direction the place was built... i would still not support such a move as I do not believe that such a move would serve a purpose, but i would not regret its loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Read the link in my post and then you can delve deeper into the specifics that were plagiarized by the Arabs. Regarding temples, yes they were a place of learning, you see unlike today learning wasnt sequestered , but a holistic concept where Mathematics , Science and Theology all flowed in unison. that is hardly a source... its a counter claim, not particularly justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedhi Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Medieval India's Temples were the pinnacle of despotic theocracies... the priests at these temples engaged in an exploitation of the masses and an obfuscation that brought them the protection from the local monarch. So yes, i do not rue their destruction. However, the Buddha statues, though a complete waste of thousands of man hours that were consumed in their construction, pale in comparison. They were not the site of some priest(s), beyond reproach and a blackhole for resources, all at the expense of the local population. Thus, they are not as serious a concern for me. Furthermore, they were not destroyed by some institution that wanted to make strides towards rationalism, equality and enlightened thought... they were destroyed by a cult that believes an ideology that is well, much worse than any other ideology on this planet. Thus, while i do not regret their destruction as they served little purpose, i do not condone their destruction by the taliban for the taliban's motives were rather despicable. Similarly, if one must insist on destroying the Taj Mahal because it represents an ideology that conflicts with their own, i would not support such a move. If someone wanted to destroy the Taj Mahal because it represented exploitation of slave labor, and brutal practices by the monarch on whose' direction the place was built... i would still not support such a move as I do not believe that such a move would serve a purpose, but i would not regret its loss.So I was correct in observing that your ideology matches with the terrorists. A terrorist just like you would impose his own worldview on others with NO REGARDS to the sensitivity of others. The reasoning used by a terrorist to brainwash himself into committing a terrorist act is exactly the same. You say: Temples are (as claimed by you) pinnacle of despotic theocracies, and therefore it is justifiable for plunderers to destroy them and loot their wealth. There need not be any consideration given to the sensitivity or feelings of the people of the area to who the temple belongs. Forget about asking permission. Terrorist says: A girl's school is a symbol of westernization, and therefore it is justified (in islam) to blow it up. And ofcourse, there is no need to think about the girls or the staff of the school, and how this act will affect their lives. The first key and fundamental convergence between your and terrorist's views is the complete apathy towards the people whose lives are going to get affected by the corresponding actions. Secondly, both views consider their own ideology to be axiomatically superior, requiring no assent from the people on who the ideology is sought to be projected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 THX has gone bannas here:hysterical: Completley lost the plot:hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikred Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 This is to remind people that most atheists don't share the same thoughts as expressed by THX. :nervous: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texy Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 THX is a pseudo intellectual trying to put forth his benign lunacy in the name of atheism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THX_1138 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 apologies all around... i went rather overboard here. give me a week and i shall return to this thread and make a more persuasive argument. and for those who think i am a pseudo intellectual... make that a big dicked, pseudo intellectual coz that's what your girl was screaming last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tendulkar Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 apologies all around... i went rather overboard here. give me a week and i shall return to this thread and make a more persuasive argument. and for those who think i am a pseudo intellectual... make that a big dicked, pseudo intellectual coz that's what your girl was screaming last night. WTF:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: I think you need more then a week:hysterical::hysterical: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zubinpepsi Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 ^^ :hysterical::hysterical: someone made an ass out of himself...... another identity confused wannabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macj Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 He may come back and talk to himself, like the 'other' things he does to himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 apologies all around... i went rather overboard here. give me a week and i shall return to this thread and make a more persuasive argument. and for those who think i am a pseudo intellectual... make that a big dicked, pseudo intellectual coz that's what your girl was screaming last night. :adore: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Blaster Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I wish I was big dicked. :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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