Why Are Pakistani Cricketers So Mentally Frail?

[Ram]

You've clearly fallen for the hype propagated by their deluded fans. Yousuf is among the poorest players of hostile pace bowling among leading players. His averages in Australia & SA are abysmal. If he extreme talent, where would you place the likes Sachin, Ponting, Dravid, Hayden, Kallis and Gilchrist, who are from the same generation? Again, Younis is a subcontinental specialist, albeit slightly better than Yousuf. Huge scores in the subcontinent. Little to show for in the southern hemisphere. Mohammed Amer has promise, but benefitted from the unknown factor in the first Test. His inablity to pick up a single wicket in this Test doesn't bode well at all. Unar Gul is no more an extreme talent than Zaheer Khan, Ishant or Sreesanth. If you are going to use that kind of hyperbole, i'd rather you reserved it for the likes of Steyn & Johnson.

Oh no, If I were to really give worth to what Pakistani fans think about their players, I’d have rated Shahid Afridi as the bestest of ‘em all. Reg. Yousuf, I’d certainly rate all of Sachin, Ponting, Dravid, Hayden, Kallis above without blinking an eye-lid, but my point wasn’t really to actually compare and rate him with some of his contemporaries. The central point I was trying to make when I brought up his name, alongside names like Gul, Younis etc was that, as a cricketing nation, there’s absolutely no doubt that Pakistan has the capability to produce some talented cricketers. And I doubt if anyone can actually look at any of these cricketers and say they’re not actually talented. How they have actually performed on the field, against varying conditions and opponents is an entirely different issue altogether. This is where I feel the lack of professional set-up or mature cricketers hurts them badly. And that is the core point I am trying to make – their on-field performances notwithstanding, you cannot deny they do produce cricketers of decent talent. And one cannot say that of every country that plays cricket. And once again, with respect to Aamir, we shouldn’t be really looking at his performances and numbers right now. He is unbelievably young for a fast bowler and there’s no doubt that he has a lot of promise and potential.

[Dhondy]

dr sahab dhondy...........i totally agree regarding younis.....bt i still thnk yousuf is little better......dint he scored cpl centuries in AUS wen he scored 9 centuries in a year

No. He has just one ton in Australia, scored in 2004. Averages 33 there, 26 in SA.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

No. He has just one ton in Australia' date=' scored in 2004. Averages 33 there, 26 in SA.[/quote'] thnx for the info doc......:hatsoff: hmmmmm..........btw i wont be surprise if aamer has a mixture of nandrolone in his blood..........

[punjabi_khota]

And once again, with respect to Aamir, we shouldn’t be really looking at his performances and numbers right now. He is unbelievably young for a fast bowler and there’s no doubt that he has a lot of promise and potential.

:hysterical::hysterical: So now you believe Pakistanis on their official ages ? :giggle::giggle:

[Pak_Forever]

by your logic I guess India was mentally frail from the day they started playing cricket till 2000? :--D You guys really are going over the moon. Huge amount of excitement over just a Test series? and knowing Pakistan they will come back strong.

[Mamu]

by your logic I guess India was mentally frail from the day they started playing cricket till 2000? :--D

I think that was in reference ti the way Pakis collapsed in 3 out of 4 innings. Losing is one thing , falling apart like an airplane that has lost its wings mid-air is another matter.

You guys really are going over the moon. Huge amount of excitement over just a Test series? and knowing Pakistan they will come back strong.

Come back to where ? Are you sure about your comeback ? Do you know who you are playing next? And after that? Do you know your record against Aus ? I'd be a little careful in what I say if I were you buddy!

[Freedom]

by your logic I guess India was mentally frail from the day they started playing cricket till 2000? :--D You guys really are going over the moon. Huge amount of excitement over just a Test series? and knowing Pakistan they will come back strong.

comeback from where? When did you ever win consistently to come back. All your team gets is one odd win. BTW 'Just a test series'? What are talking about. I thought pakistan fans were crying for test cricket for 18 months. T20 was always a tamasha or fun game for you all, and when you win you think its the ultimate thingy. Thanks allah for bringing pakistan fans down to earth. Lets see if you could draw the next test!I can confidently say pakistan are kings of dead rubbers!

[Sachinism]

by your logic I guess India was mentally frail from the day they started playing cricket till 2000? :--D You guys really are going over the moon. Huge amount of excitement over just a Test series? and knowing Pakistan they will come back strong.

:hysterical::hysterical::finger:

[King]

There are several ways to look at it : 1. Pakistan is heavily undercooked in terms of domestic cricket, grassroot level coaching and the likes. 2. They just can't seem to have the patience required to play test cricket at the moment. They are happy go lucky batsmen and when they come off they look all right but when they don't they look stupid. 3. Perhaps got a bit too carried away with Twenty20 victory and didn't have mind set on the test series. 4. Since the retirement of Pakistan greats like Wasim, Anwar, Waqar, Miandad and Inzi Pakistan has struggled to produce tough cookies that excel under pressure. 5. As usual they are rebuilding.... geez how may times haven't we heard this. They should give up rebuilding if they are going to produce results like this. Why don't they just stick to the same bunch for some time? I think the current team is pants in test cricket. They just don't have the quality. When there's no quality, there's lack of belief and lack of belief leads to fraility of mind. Even if Pakistan does its best with the players they have at the moment, they can't be expected to win test series' overseas. Unfortunately they have no home series' either. They are going to be at disadvantage in a way for the next half a decade or so. The way the Twenty20 fire is spreading, Pakistan test cricket may well be a casualty.

[Mr. Wicket]

And once again, with respect to Aamir, we shouldn’t be really looking at his performances and numbers right now. He is unbelievably young for a fast bowler and there’s no doubt that he has a lot of promise and potential.

:hysterical::hysterical: So now you believe Pakistanis on their official ages ? :giggle::giggle:

Someone's drinking Koolaid. :rotfl:

[Dhondy]

by your logic I guess India was mentally frail from the day they started playing cricket till 2000? :--D You guys really are going over the moon. Huge amount of excitement over just a Test series? and knowing Pakistan they will come back strong.

Yes, we like to see punks like you put firmly in place. You and your side deserve each other. Looking slightly sheepish this morning, are you? Good! It's part of your education. Next time, think a million times before hyping up your miserable team.

[Bumper]

I'm not so sure Pakistani cricketers have suddenly lost their mental fortitude, Dhondy. They've always been a team on the verge of a collapse (even during their hey days), except that Pakistan always (till now) had the talent (both in batting & bowling) to come back strong when put under pressure. Their batting would collapse in the past, but Wasim or Waqar would compensate for it, steering their team to a victory. Or one of Anwar or Inzi would produce a blinder of a batting performance to revive them. Now with their talunt pool drying up, they have become a team that relies heavily on the performance of one or two individuals (kinda like the Indian team of the 90s). The result is very much like that of the Indian team of the 90s. An odd brilliant victory here or there amidst a string of hulimiating losses. This will continue for a while until they find better talent.

[iHammad]

Hum loog kar bhi kya saktay hain! I am sick and tired of PAkistan struggling in tests. We should stick to t20 and odi

[Ram]

:hysterical::hysterical: So now you believe Pakistanis on their official ages ? :giggle::giggle:

Someone's drinking Koolaid. :rotfl:

I am sure both of you must have insider information about how they fudged his age too. Care to share the info with the public here? :winky:

[hassan_113]

Is it possible that when you take away the crutches of doping, ball tampering and home umpires, their "self belief" heads for the floor? Quite clearly, a generation of Pakistani fast bowlers have liberally used anabolic steroids to boost their development and heal injuries. They passed on those skills to the juniors, who carried on regardless....until they were caught readhanded. It's a shameful secret the whole world knows about. Some have got away with it, others have been let off by their conniving administrators. The newer bowlers know that no longer can they resort to these "tonics" from Hakims to gain an unfair advantage. Scratching the ball with a nail while pretending to shine it is taboo as well, thanks to Hairgate. Shorn of these crutches, their cricket is literally falling to pieces.

Rubbish bits in there. The bowling is fine, batting is frail at the moment. Don't bore me with all the typical comments- I'd much rather read rediff or TOI for that nonsense.

[hassan_113]

There are several ways to look at it : 1. Pakistan is heavily undercooked in terms of domestic cricket, grassroot level coaching and the likes. 2. They just can't seem to have the patience required to play test cricket at the moment. They are happy go lucky batsmen and when they come off they look all right but when they don't they look stupid. 3. Perhaps got a bit too carried away with Twenty20 victory and didn't have mind set on the test series. 4. Since the retirement of Pakistan greats like Wasim, Anwar, Waqar, Miandad and Inzi Pakistan has struggled to produce tough cookies that excel under pressure. 5. As usual they are rebuilding.... geez how may times haven't we heard this. They should give up rebuilding if they are going to produce results like this. Why don't they just stick to the same bunch for some time? I think the current team is pants in test cricket. They just don't have the quality. When there's no quality, there's lack of belief and lack of belief leads to fraility of mind. Even if Pakistan does its best with the players they have at the moment, they can't be expected to win test series' overseas. Unfortunately they have no home series' either. They are going to be at disadvantage in a way for the next half a decade or so. The way the Twenty20 fire is spreading, Pakistan test cricket may well be a casualty.

Some good points in there...but with more tests we can do much better. Blew so many opportunities in that series!

[Dhondy]

Rubbish bits in there. The bowling is fine' date=' batting is frail at the moment. Don't bore me with all the typical comments- I'd much rather read rediff or TOI for that nonsense.[/quote'] After watching the bowling of the SL pacers in the two matches, I believe the Pakistani bowlers have seriously underachieved. Kulasekhara, in particular, was making the ball talk. The ball seamed destined to be an outswinger and then would cut back viciously off the seam. Don't believe Pakistani bowlers are even in the same league. The isolated victories in the past by your overrated team were thanks to convicted dope cheats and now the whole world knows that the game is up. Until pakistani bowlers can find a new way of doping, the bowling will be pedestrian at best.

[gs]

Is there even a shred of evidence for this "extreme talent?"

Couldnt agree with you more! :icflove:

[Mamu]

SL bowlers look world class and half in SL. The moment they step out of their shores they look a different breed altogther.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

After watching the bowling of the SL pacers in the two matches, I believe the Pakistani bowlers have seriously underachieved. Kulasekhara, in particular, was making the ball talk. The ball seamed destined to be an outswinger and then would cut back viciously off the seam. Don't believe Pakistani bowlers are even in the same league. The isolated victories in the past by your overrated team were thanks to convicted dope cheats and now the whole world knows that the game is up. Until pakistani bowlers can find a new way of doping, the bowling will be pedestrian at best.

By this you mean they will have to beg the chinese for some new way to dope.....no way they can find a way themselves