msb1991 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 2009 ODI stats: Nehra: 29 wickets at 29.00. Econ - 5.86 Ishant: 29 wickets at 31.10. Econ - 6.14 Zaheer: 10 wickets at 52.40. Econ - 5.95 Praveen: 17 wickets at 42.29. Econ - 5.37 Fascinating stuff. Consider also that Ishant's wickets often come at the death of an innings, as noted by this statistical analysis. Moreover, Praveen rarely bowls many overs at the death, as his strength is with the new ball where few bowlers for India are expensive. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 His breakthrough made a big difference. He bowled really well today Link to comment
msb1991 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 His breakthrough made a big difference. He bowled really well today Yeah, his werid trajectory can disrupt the batsman's rhythm and the high bouncer was a good idea to dismiss Dilshan. He has days where he is very expensive, but overall bowls well and is a valuable asset to have on flat pitches. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 I thought I'll give this thread the customary after the match bump! One can only assume you are a Nehra fan then? Link to comment
Guest Hiten. Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 One can only assume you are a Nehra fan then? One can only assume you're ignoring the reason behind this bump then ? Link to comment
msb1991 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 One can only assume you are a Nehra fan then? Why on earth would anyone be a Nehra fan or a Nehra hater. Everyone is surely trying to help assess the best team for India and so can be taken as subjective? Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 What that he returned just about ok figures for the first time in ages. Not even brilliant fgures or very good. Just about ok!!! Yet the Nehra fan club decide its the moment to show case their champs brillinace. Its like a batter getting low score after low score and then suddenly getting a 40. Hardly time to start lauding him. Every dog has its day and today he did not even have it. He is pants and should go back to village cricket were he belongs Link to comment
The Outsider Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 One can only assume you are a Nehra fan then? No, I think he is quite an average bowler and can have some good days. But the bottomline is that he is the best we have at the moment, has remained fit and has been our best performer in ODIs this year. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Why on earth would anyone be a Nehra fan or a Nehra hater. Everyone is surely trying to help assess the best team for India and so can be taken as subjective? Well the best for Indian team is that he is no were near the team. And bumping a thread cos some chump gets a couple of wickets is frankly embarrasing. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 No' date=' I think he is quite an average bowler and can have some good days. But the bottomline is that he is the best we have at the moment, has remained fit and has been our best performer in ODIs this year.[/quote'] Since champions trophy he has been dreadful and proved my OP correct as thats when I posted it. The fact you admit he is average sums it up. Average ain't good enough. And if he is average then other bowlers like a tyagi and others should be playing so at least they can develop in to above average. I also dispute the fact he is average and would label Nehra as awful Link to comment
Guest Hiten. Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Who do you think would be suitable candidate to replace Nehra ? And ffs, do not bring RPS or IS into the equation. Link to comment
Sachinism Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Since champions trophy he has been dreadful and proved my OP correct as thats when I posted it. The fact you admit he is average sums it up. Average ain't good enough. And if he is average then other bowlers like a tyagi and others should be playing so at least they can develop in to above average. I also dispute the fact he is average and would label Nehra as awful He may be average, but he's bowling better than everyone else and therefore he will continue to play. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Anyone got stats since the end of chamions trophy(as thats when i started this thread at the end of champs trophy). I genuinley have no clue. Maybe Nehras stats since end of champions trophy may suprise me! Link to comment
msb1991 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Well the best for Indian team is that he is no were near the team. And bumping a thread cos some chump gets a couple of wickets is frankly embarrasing. To assess his impact by looking at the scorecard is very short-sighted. Anyone who watched or followed the game could tell that he played a vital role in resting the initiative away from Sri Lanka after they destroyed Zaheer and Ishant in the first four over for 58 runs. Since champions trophy he has been dreadful and proved my OP correct as thats when I posted it. He has not been fantastic, but he has been comparitively okay. It is not as if he is lagging behind while others clean up wickets or bowl tightly. The fact you admit he is average sums it up. Average ain't good enough. And if he is average then other bowlers like a tyagi and others should be playing so at least they can develop in to above average. Nehra has bowled well though. Even you concede that he was strong prior to the Champions Trophy. He is in a slight form slump at the moment and even in that state, is stronger than most of our other seam bowlers on most days. He may be average' date=' but he's bowling better than everyone else and therefore he will continue to play.[/quote'] Agree. KT, until you can show me that Nehra is bowling consistently comparitively poorly, then you cannot say that he should be dropped ASAP. Link to comment
The Outsider Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Indian pace bowlers since Oct. 1, 2009 : http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;spanmin1=01+Oct+2009;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling Since Jan. 1, 2009 : http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?bowling_pacespin=1;class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=bowling_average;spanmin1=01+Jan+2009;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling Link to comment
Sooda Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Also You can pan him as much as you want to, but no one can deny him the praise for doing well in international cricket after his comeback. After all those injuries, surgeries, physiotherapy sessions etc and being completely written off, the fact that he could comeback to the team in itself was a great achievement. As for him not being anywhere near the team, well, all you need to do is to take a look at his stats since his comeback and compare that to what oher bowlers have done in the same time. 16 matches, 25 wickets@26 and a ER of 5.58, agreed it isnt great, but it isnt bad either. This is what Indian bowlers have done since Nehra's comeback http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;spanmin1=25+Jun+2009;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling This is the list of all the bowlers in the same period http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;spanmin1=25+Jun+2009;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling Pan him as much as you can and want to , but the fact is he has been our best bowler since his comeback. Good post this. Prior to the current series but still worthy of a look, those links Link to comment
hari504504 Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Might as well toss a coin before a match to decide how he'd be bowling each time : He looks pedestrian 50% of the time he plays.... I'm not sure he's worth the gamble for the next world cup Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted December 25, 2009 Author Share Posted December 25, 2009 My turn to bump! ICF fans fav got smoked again. Had the second worst economy rate again at nearly 8 an over. Only the hapless Ishant went for more! Who does nehra have as a connection in BCCI to keep getting picked? Link to comment
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