India vs Pakistan cricket debate....hardly anything to do with cricket

[patriot]

Pioneer - Since the below trail of violence counts as " not so bad" , what frequency of violence counts as " bad" ?

January - March 2010 January 1 At least 105 people were killed when a suicide bomber blew up his vehicle in a crowd watching a volleyball game in Lakki Marwat, North-West Frontier Province.[343] Main article: 2010 Lakki Marwat suicide bombing January 3 In the north-western Pakistani town of Hangu, a former provincial minister and two other people were killed in a roadside bomb attack, police have said. The blast reportedly killed Ghani-ur Rehman, his driver and his bodyguard. The minister was reported as being a former North-West Frontier Province education minister, for the area.[344] January 6 In Pakistani-administered Kashmir, at least three soldiers were killed and another 11 injured after a bomb attack occurred outside an army barracks, police say. No group has claimed responsibility as of yet.[345] January 8 In Karachi unknown gunmen went on the rampage killing at least 7 people within the area, police say. The gunmen were apparently targeting ethnic Balochis in parts of the city. The armed men were reportedly riding motorcycles as they were carrying out their attack on the civilians.[346] January 9 A suicide bomber detonated himself and wounded seven policemen in the village of Adezai, Peshawar, North-West Frontier Province.[347] January 11 Five bullet-riddled bodies were found in the Pakistani city of Karachi, police say. This latest attack appears to be part of a renewed war among rival political factions, officials claim. Since the start of this year, when a dead political activist was discovered, at least 31 people are known to have been murdered in targeted killings. Political violence has reportedly intensified in the city of Karachi.[348] January 16 At least two soldiers have been injured after a suicide bomber attacked a military convoy in Pakistani-controlled Kashmir, police say.[349] January 20 A politician and member, for the Awami National Party, Aurangzeb Khan, was seriously injured after a bomb blast occurred in Peshawar. Three others are also known to have been injured, police say.[350] January 23 A suicide bomber killed five people including children outside a police station in Gomal, Tank District. January 30 A suspected suicide bomber killed at least 16 people and wounded 20 others, when he attacked a checkpoint, in the North-Western Pakistani town of Khar.[351] Main article: January 2010 Bajaur bombing February 1 In Karachi, ethnic and political clashes resulted in the target killings of least 26 people. These latest clashes come as dozens more have been killed in similar attacks over the past few weeks, across the city.[352][353] February 3 At least 10 people were killed, including three US soldiers, when a bomb blast hit a convoy near a school in the north-west region of Pakistan. Three schoolgirls were also among the dead and it is believed that this blast injured up to another 70 people, within the area.[354] Main article: February 2010 Lower Dir bombing February 5 KARACHI: At least 13 dead and 50 injured from 10 kg blast in mini bus near Nursery Road. The injured taken to government Jinnah hospital.[355] After 2 hours the second planted bomb blasted at motorcycle stand emergency gate of government Jinnah hospital killing 10 injuring dozens and rescuers also. Relatives of the first blast victims were present in the Emergency Ward. Later a 3rd bomb was found in a TV set in the hospital.[356] Main article: February 2010 Karachi bombings February 9 A senior Pakistani politician was attacked by militants in the city of Rawalpindi, in the Punjab province. The politician, Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, survived this attack however 3 of his security guards were killed, police have said.[357] February 10 At least 15 security personnel, a brigadier and a pilot among them, and seven civilians lost their lives in a gun attack, a suicide bombing and a helicopter crash in Khyber Agency in the northwestern province. The brigadier was killed and two other officers, a major and a lieutenant, were injured when Taliban insurgents ambushed an army rescue party searching for bodies of the pilot and a gunner of a helicopter gunship which had crashed in the Tirah valley.[358] Main article: February 2010 Khyber bombing February 11 Two bomb explosions occurred in north-western Pakistan, near a police compound. In these bombings it is has been reported that at least 12 people were killed and another 20 were injured. Unconfirmed reports have claimed that these bombings were caused by suicide bombers.[359] February 18 A bomb attack in a crowded market selling hashish, in north western Pakistan, has resulted in the deaths of at least 15 people and has wounded more than 100 others. The blast had occurred in the Kyber tribal region of Pakistan, in an area where the taliban are know to have a strong presence. The bomb had reportedly detonated near a mosque in the Tirah valley of the Kyber region, officials have said.[360] Main article: February 2010 Khyber Mosque bombing February 22 Two Sikh men were kidnapped by unknown gunmen in the tribal regions of north-west Pakistan. They were later beheaded by their kidnappers, their bodies were then found in the Khyber and Orakzai areas, officials claim.[361] At least 5 people were killed and many others injured, after a bomb attack occurred in Mingora, the main city in the Swat region of north-west Pakistan. The target for this attack appears to have been an army convoy and it has been confirmed that two of those killed were soldiers.[362] February 24 Four civilians were killed in the north-western Pakistani city of Peshawar, after taliban militants fired a rocket into a residential area. Witnesses claim that a two-storey house was also destroyed in this attack. Officials are now claiming that this explosion was caused by a gas leak however local residents still insist that rockets were used against them and that these devices caused the explosion.[363] February 27 A suicide bomber targeted a police station in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan. The attack killed at least three police officers and 13 other people were wounded as a result of this explosion, some are said to be in a critical condition. The blast also damaged a nearby mosque, as well as part of the police station. It has been reported that many more people could be trapped under the debris caused by this blast. No group as of yet has claimed responsibility for the bombing.[364] March 5 In the Hangu district of north-west Pakistan, a suicide bomber targeted a convoy of vehicles travelling from the Hangu district to the Kurram region. The bomber allegedly detonated next to a bus full of passengers. In this bombing it has been reported that at least 12 people were killed and that another 25 were injured. No-one has yet said that they carried out this attack.[365] March 8 A suicide bomb attack has killed at least 13 people in Lahore and wounded more than 60 others. The bomber reportedly rammed his explosive-laden vehicle into a building that housed an anti-terrorist wing of the federal investigative agency. The explosion was so large it allegedly brought down the two-storey building, correspondents have said. A nearby religious school was also known to have been damaged in this bombing and passer- by, including children are believed to be among the dead and the injured.[366] Main article: 8 March 2010 Lahore bombing March 10 Unidentified gunmen have attacked the office of a Western aid agency, in the Mansehra district of Pakistan, which is only 40 miles north of the capital Islamabad. It is known that 6 people were killed in this assault and it has been reported that there was also an explosion as well as firing inside the building when the militants stormed into the agency. One aid worker has claimed that the gunmen have now engaged in a battle with police inside the building. The agency has also claimed that seven members of staff had been injured in this attack.[367] March 11 A suicide bomber's explosive vest detonated prematurely, as he was trying to target a convoy of security forces, along the boundary between Peshawar and the Khyber tribal region. In the explosion it is known that 5 people were killed and that a dozen others were injured. Some of the injured are reportedly in a critical condition, officials have claimed.[368] March 12 Two suicide bomb attacks in the Pakistani city of Lahore has resulted in the deaths of at least 45 people and has wounded 100 others. Both of these bomb attacks reportedly targeted military vehicles, as they were passing through a crowded area. The blasts occurred within 15–20 seconds of each other. It is known that at least 9 soldiers were killed in these two suicide bombings. These two blasts occurred very close to the RA bazaar, which is in a busy residential and shopping area where the army and security agencies have facilities. Later on however several other smaller blasts occurred across the city. These smaller blasts were reportedly designed to cause confusion and there were no reports of any serious injuries due to their effects. No group has yet said that it had carried out the bombings although the Pakistani Taliban are strong suspects.[369] Main article: 12 March 2010 Lahore bombings March 13 A suicide bomber targeted a rickshaw near to a security checkpoint. The bombing occurred near the city of Mingora, which is the main city in the Swat Valley. In this bombing it is known that at least 10 people were killed and that another 37 were wounded. The bomber was reportedly trying to enter a government facility used by the police and security forces however he blew himself up after being stopped by the police. This attack follows threats by the Taliban militants, as they intend to deploy thousands of suicide bombers in retaliation for an army offensive.[370] March 16 A blast occurred near Chandni Chowk in Garden area of Karachi on Tuesday, killing one woman and injuring three others, including children.[371] March 17 Militants attacked a security checkpoint in North-west Pakistan, on the southern outskirts of the city Peshawar. In this rocket and gun attack it is known that five security personnel were killed. More than a dozen militants were reportedly involved in this assault which apparently occurred upon Peshawar's border with the Khyber district, within the country. No group has of yet, said that it had carried out the attack.[372] March 18 Loud blast heard near Lahore airport. A loud blast is reported to have been heard near Allama Iqbal International airport, Geo News reported Thursday. Chaotic activity was witnessed at the airport immediately after the blast, creating panic in the surrounding area sources said.[373] March 21 At least 3 people were killed and another 14 were wounded after a bicycle bomb exploded in Quetta, the capital town of Balochistan. The bomb reportedly detonated just as a police vehicle was passing nearby and it is known that at least two police personnel were among the dead. The blast was so powerful that it apparently rattled several nearby buildings, shops and vehicles.[374] March 22 A roadside bomb has killed one person and injured three others, in the city of Quetta, located in southwestern Pakistan. The bomb was reportedly planted beside a rickshaw near a busy intersection, a senior police officer has said.[375] March 28 A bomb planted near a music shop exploded in a bazaar and wounded five people, as well as destroying the shop in the city of Peshawar, Pakistan. It is known that two nearby grocery shops were also damaged in this blast. No group has claimed responsibility although Taliban militants are suspected to be behind this bombing.[376] March 31 Militants stormed into a Pakistan army camp in the Khyber region after a car bomb explosion blew a hole in one of the walls to the compound. In this attack it has been reported that at least 6 Pakistani soldiers were killed and that another 15 were injured. The Pakistan army reported that 25 militants were also killed in this attack however this claim cannot be independently verified.[377]

[Pioneer]

Lets take it on a month by month basis, starting with the current month of April. 7 deadly attacks in April already ...and the month is only half over. So what do you mean by " bad " if this is " not as bad as people think " .

Ok as you can see almost all of these attacks have taken place in the northern areas which are the most infested by terrorists, so naturally most attacks will take place here. I should have been more clear, the situation is not as bad as you make it seem in the big cities such as Islamabad or Lahore or Karachi even though they have had their instances of terror. My bad I should have made it clearer, I'm not in a position to comment about how the situation is in those parts because I have never visited any of those areas but still you should base your opinions solely on what you see from the news because I have been to Islamabad at it's worst and people were still going about their lives without that much of fear.

[Maha_Apa]

This thread should move to politics section now.

[Mamu]

I said Indians because you seem to be most vocal and are hopping up and down about Pakistan's situation. Are we in a good position? No. Do we have any hope in this nation? Ofcourse, no doubt. Theres more than hope, there is actually action being taken place to put us in the right direction. I agree with your last statement and many people have actually accepted that. There was a bomb blast on a rally which was organised by Jamat Islamiya which is also an extreme religious group. This shows that the perpetrators don't care who they kill and through that ideology they will continue to lose support everywhere.

Why Indians are most vocal and are hopping around -- is because putting it plain and simple -- The Pakis and and their modus operandi has been the single biggest threat to the very existence of the Indian Society at large. -- Putting it even simpler Pakis have been a pain in India's rear end for the last 20 years. And even you will agree with that. Are you are hopeful because your army is fighting the terrorists in NWFP? Well for every terrorist you are killing in NWFP, you are nurturing two more to be sent across the border. And this is what you seem to be ignoring (and in some cases even supporting). Dont forget no matter how you put it down -- the whole culture of Mujahideen was started to be a pain in India's rear end by Zia some 25 years ago. What you did not realize then was that very cobras you were petting -- could one day turn around and sting you -- which is what is happening currently. There are no half measures with terrorism --my friend. You are either with them or against them. Just like there is no half-pregnancy.

[Pioneer]

Yes true I agree Zia created this big "potty", but the army offensives have been effective, some militant groups are even willing to have talks with the NWFP government. As I said before, there may be more terrorists being created by collateral damage and propoganda but they are also losing supporters due to the ruthless, mindless crap they pull. Yes ofcourse and I'd like to think that we are fully against them, ofcourse now people will say sending terrorists to Kashmir and etc, I'm not denying that has happened in the past but I think that the Pakistani government after seeing what monsters could be created, wouldn't still want anything to do with them. The only reason why I would think they would still want a bit of control over them is in case of a possible war with India...but I'm pretty sure the Taliban they are fighting in the NWFP are full-fledged enemies of the state. Don't get me wrong I'm not separating good terrorists and bad terrorists, they are both equally sick.

[Pioneer]

Sorry for de-railing the thread Mod Men, I think I've said my bit.

[Roshanrocks]

You can't look at your personal experience all the time. I live in an area which has a pretty poor reputation. Lots of murders and lots of drug dealers' date=' all in all a place where you wouldn't want to bring up your children. Now I've walked the streets here at all times of the night on a very regular basis on my own and not once have I encountered any problems, but I do know its not a safe place[/quote'] :nervous: where do u live man?

[EnterTheVoid]

do you want me to tell the truth ... :hmmm:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That cracked me up :hysterical:

[Pioneer]

do you want me to tell the truth ... :hmmm:

:two_thumbs_up:

[Roshanrocks]

how true .... the title of this thread ..how true

[someone]

Honestly, it is not a victory It is true we are more safe state than Pakistan. But so? We first are not a safe state. We will lie to ourselves if we say that.Moreover, we never or never can have a good security with our politicians It is stupid to laugh at others when even in India, there are similarly things happening but maybe in minor scale, but a single incident is enough to show how poorly organized our India also is.