vvvslaxman Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 I couldn't sleep all these years without knowing who is better Waugh or Ponting.. finally Ian Chappell has come out with a conclusive answer. Thx Ian.
Dinx - the Jinx Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 I couldn't sleep all these years without knowing who is better Waugh or Ponting.. finally Ian Chappell has come out with a conclusive answer. Thx Ian. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: i think he should also give his verdict on Toffee Kumar Vs Sehwag
thevortex Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Ponting is perhaps the most overrated skipper in recent times. Sangakkara is fast climbing up the ladder. Even if he is 15% as erudite with his captaincy on the field as he is with the mike Sri Lanka would not be suffering as much. Border, Taylor and Waugh all three were better captains than Ponting - each in their own way.
Online Posted May 14, 2010 Author Posted May 14, 2010 Poll Added I'd have liked to see how Warne would have fared as a test match skipper...
bhanu Posted May 14, 2010 Posted May 14, 2010 Indeed!! So he has actually registered more wins than his predecessors? I am sure you will give stats to prove what you just claimed. I was talking about overall performance including captincy and performance :giggle:
Muzicorp Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Chappel got it right, building a side and being credited for having one is very different. Ponting is a good captain for sure and in his own words "its easy to win a title, but keeping it, thats a whole different story". Even with Australian cricket being a factory, someone still ahs to manage the talents to ensure the result is achiveved. Its a lot more achievements than what some of the captains in his generation have done.
Precambrian Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 He might have a point. Ponting built his 'own' team in the last few years which Waugh didnt.. Ponting may have built a team, but it is largely yet to prove anything (yeah the win in SA apart). They lose at home in a decade, they lost second time Ashes in England in last 5 years, they lost to India as well comprehensively. Both are overrated as captains. I'd go for Allan Border (now that's team building), and Mark Taylor.
ZodiaC Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Ponting may have built a team, but it is largely yet to prove anything (yeah the win in SA apart). They lose at home in a decade, they lost second time Ashes in England in last 5 years, they lost to India as well comprehensively. Both are overrated as captains. I'd go for Allan Border (now that's team building), and Mark Taylor. Yep. I still remember in the 1st test of last ashes series, how he preffered Hauritz and even North while they just needed 1 wicket and Ben hilfenhaus was never given an over after picking the 9th wicket.. Aussies had a great chance of winning that match.. Heck, he can't even maintain a decent overrate.. :finger:
sangrock Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 well i rate mark taylor ahead both of them +1 u sud vote in the poll!
Bradman99 Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I voted for Mark Taylor also.. Steve Waugh was a very close 2nd. I still think Australia missed out on its potential greatest captain.. Shane Warne!
Guest Gunner Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I would say Richie Benaud. Its difficult to overlook him, he laid the foundation for modern Australian cricket's winning spirit.
Precambrian Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 I would say Richie Benaud. Its difficult to overlook him' date=' he laid the foundation for modern Australian cricket's winning spirit.[/quote'] Belonged to a different generation altogether. Yes, fantastic captain and mighty player. But still would like to rate (ironically) Ian Chappel above him as a captain alone. Australia's record under Chappeli is very good IIRC.
Guest Gunner Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Belonged to a different generation altogether. Yes' date= fantastic captain and mighty player. But still would like to rate (ironically) Ian Chappel above him as a captain alone. Australia's record under Chappeli is very good IIRC. Yeah, I am aware of that. Richie Benaud never lost a test series as captain of Australia.
Guest Gunner Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Where is Kim Hughes :cantstop: Pretty boy. :cantstop:
Guest Gunner Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Anyone has an opinion on Bob Simpson? I considered him since he came out of retirement and won the 1978 series against India 3-2 with virtually no great players. India's closest defeat in a series. You guys should see our losing scorecards. it would have been a 4-1 or 5-0 win for India against any other team.
Precambrian Posted May 19, 2010 Posted May 19, 2010 Yeah' date=' I am aware of that. Richie Benaud never lost a test series as captain of Australia.[/quote'] Ian also didn't did he?
TumTum Posted May 20, 2010 Posted May 20, 2010 Well Ponting now has the most Test and ODI wins as captain + 2 WC's. He is also the most successful cricket player in both formats too. His captaincy is very under-rated imo.
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