Mamu Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 As Holy said, plants are ‘God’s’ creation as well, so are microbes. Do you know how many millions of bacteria you kill everyday by merely breathing? And even if you were to hold the flawed position that only animal can be considered as worthy creations of the supreme being, do you know many acres of flora and fauna are destroyed everyday to make way for crop plantation and because of this how many animals die due to loss of habitat? So by merely eating a Veggie Biriyani, you’re in some limited sense, encouraging further destruction of animal habitat. Now, that might sound like a ridiculous insinuation, but it certainly has an element of truth to it. Fact of the matter is, why do we have to bring in morality and philosophy into such a simple question? Darwin provides the answers for most of human behavior – Fact is, in order for us to survive and propagate our genes, we need to eat and eat we will do, whatever we can find. Please by all means eat, not the animals. BTW people bringing in arguments of plants -- blood does not ooze out of them -- when they are butchered. Now plants and bearings of plants is what god created for us to eat and live. Animals are another form of living beings just like us just not intelligent enough. BTW why did you draw the line at chicken and goat. Go ahead and kill the human being next to you. Whats stopping you? Why is that criminal ?
yoda Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Comparing an Okra being plucked out of a plant to a cow being butchered for Steak is like :giggle:
Ram Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Comparing an Okra being plucked out of a plant to a cow being butchered for Steak is like :giggle: I assume you're a practising Hindu. Do you think your 'God' differentiates b/w the different animal and plant forms he helped create? After all, its a proven fact that all plants/animals are essentially related to each other. Plants are born, just like animals, they have a lifetime just like animals, they reproduce just like animals, they even respond to stimuli just like animals and finally, they die, just like animals. So, why the differentiation?
Ram Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Please by all means eat, not the animals. BTW people bringing in arguments of plants -- blood does not ooze out of them -- when they are butchered. So? Just because they dont ooze blood does not mean they dont have life. Btw, your interpretation of bodily fluid seems to begin and end with blood, which is simply not the case. Cut any plant and you will find fluids coming out of it as well. Now plants and bearings of plants is what god created for us to eat and live. Animals are another form of living beings just like us just not intelligent enough. Tell you what, I have heard some weird justifications in the name of religion, but this one's new. Btw, I am not sure which religious text specifically refers to plants as those that 'God created for us to eat and live..' BTW why did you draw the line at chicken and goat. Go ahead and kill the human being next to you. Whats stopping you? Why is that criminal ? You know what, I am reasonably sure that some form of cannibalism was prevalant (and still is, in certain tribes) in mankind's early stages. But as we grew sophisticated and discovered cultivation, we no longer had the need to kill one another. Societies evolved around common co-existence, cannibalism obviously became taboo/outlawed at some point and soon became ingrained as part of our constantly changing morality. This is the most fascinating aspect of human morality. Unlike what most people think, our morality does not only comes from holy scriptures. Its a constantly evolving mechanism that has undergone several iteration of changes.
yoda Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 I assume you're a practising Hindu. Do you think your 'God' differentiates b/w the different animal and plant forms he helped create? After all' date=' its a proven fact that all plants/animals are essentially related to each other. Plants are born, just like animals, they have a lifetime just like animals, they reproduce just like animals, they even respond to stimuli just like animals and finally, they die, just like animals. So, why the differentiation?[/quote'] Nothing to do with GOD. Just common sense. I can see the difference between a bleeding animal and a Okra plucked out of a plant. Now the question is can you?
Clarke Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Used to be Vegetarian by chance, now Eggetarian by choice (where else am I supposed to get my protein from?). What I find most amusing is people giving all sorts of moral/philosophical reasons to defend their eating habits. Just because you don’t eat meat doesn’t make you a champion of life on earth and just because you do eat meat does not make you devil’s incarnation. I have seen a fair amount of those; however i have also seen many who understand what they're doing. I'm sure u know, but i'll just repeat it here. Animals do not land from the sky. They have to be fed a large amount of the same plants that a human being could consume in a direct manner. Isnt it far more efficient to be lower down on the food chain ? Imagine human beings consuming lion/tiger meat on a regular basis; just what sort of environmental impact would it have to run the factory farms for those beasts other than their daily food until they are ready for slaughter. The entire forest cover of the earth would be wiped out to create new farms which cultivate food for the lions prey. Absurd theory, but we arent doing that well in terms of dealing with the only home we have.
Ram Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Nothing to do with GOD. Just common sense. I can see the difference between a bleeding animal and a Okra plucked out of a plant. Now the question is can you? Apart from the fact that one bleeds and the other doesnt, from a philosophical/physiological standpoint, there's not significant difference b/w slaughtering an animal and destroying a plant. And why should bleeding be considered as the holy-grail of differentiating factors anyway?
b555 Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Apart from the fact that one bleeds and the other doesnt, from a philosophical/physiological standpoint, there's not significant difference b/w slaughtering an animal and destroying a plant. And why should bleeding be considered as the holy-grail of differentiating factors anyway? marirs
Holysmoke Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Now plants and bearings of plants is what god created for us to eat and live. Did Goddy tell you that on the phone? Or did he just shoot an email? :blink:
Holysmoke Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 And plants are man made?:blink: actually we do...from the seeds. :girly1: so you're saying eating dolly the sheep is completely fine :nice:
yoda Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 so you're saying eating dolly the sheep is completely fine :nice: not really. it was still delivered by a sheep, not by a lab. then again, I didn't say eating anything man made is ok like a Pencil for example :giggle:
yoda Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Apart from the fact that one bleeds and the other doesnt, from a philosophical/physiological standpoint, there's not significant difference b/w slaughtering an animal and destroying a plant. And why should bleeding be considered as the holy-grail of differentiating factors anyway? how about the pain and suffering associated with the bleeding :nervous: ofc you would argue that plants also suffer, just that we don't know it. :giggle:
Holysmoke Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 So killing animals by lethal injection (or some other painless method) is OK?
CricketGirl Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 one answer!! hell no! i love my kukad too much!!
yoda Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 So killing animals by lethal injection (or some other painless method) is OK? Better than slaughtering them. vs
IKnowU Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Think about all the methane those cows produce? :--D We are reducing significant greenhouse gasses and intaking precious red meat with iron in them.....:eyedance:
Ram Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Better than slaughtering them. Ok, since your concern for animals life-form ends with ‘pain and blood’, along the lines of what Holy said, if I were to tell you that I have meat that was obtained by killing an animal that was completely sedated at first and was killed without any sense of pain/suffering, will you eat that meat? If not, what is stop you from doing so? And btw, when you walk in your home or on the road, you trample dozens of insects everyday under your foot. They have blood, they experience pain. Do you feel any sense of guilt because of that ?
CSK Fan Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 I dont think Hinduism suggests anything of halal/kosher type. It advocates vegetarianism as an ideal AFAIK. Dont go by the logic of the followers these days. Doesnt hinduism advocate vegeteranism only for brahmins?
ludhianvi Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Its natural to defend yourself whether you are veg/non-veg. Partially, its the way we are brought up and that becomes the norm for the majority of us.
yoda Posted June 22, 2010 Posted June 22, 2010 Ok, since your concern for animals life-form ends with ‘pain and blood’, along the lines of what Holy said, if I were to tell you that I have meat that was obtained by killing an animal that was completely sedated at first and was killed without any sense of pain/suffering, will you eat that meat? If not, what is stop you from doing so? Are you crazy? I can ask you the same question. Since you think animals and plants are all the same, why aren't you eating all the red meat you can get your hands on? :giggle: And btw, when you walk in your home or on the road, you trample dozens of insects everyday under your foot. They have blood, they experience pain. Do you feel any sense of guilt because of that ? Ofc I feel the guilt and tend to avoid it as much as possible and would like it if I could avoid it totally. Anyways, I don't get to trample dozens of insects everyday under my foot. Where do you live? The Amazon? :hysterical:
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