Did criticizing Hawkeye cost Atul Wassan his spot?!

[Guest BossBhai]

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[EnterTheVoid]

Are you sure its him ? And where is the "Independent 3rd party certificate?" untill that happens we cant take read much into your statement ... appreciate your efforts though :orderorder:

:hysterical: Easy there Bheem

[thevortex]

And glad to see him back! :)

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[THX_1138]

victor yushchenko 2.0

[Gunner_Mania]

I don't think Ten Sports is that petty. .

Any channel that brands its live broadcast with a - These pictures are the exclusive property of Ten Sports - when Murali got his 800, is petty.

[thevortex]

:hysterical: Just glad ? What about the insinuations that you aimed at H/E ? Do you have the intellectual honesty to apologize for that and say that you were wrong ?

I have given up on you ever understanding any statement I make. But still...this has got to be the heights... Intellectual honesty? And you are talking about it - somebody who cannot acknowledge even one of Hawkeye's mistakes? Come away.... Where did I accuse Hawkeye? I was just surmising. Was I not? And if anything the insinuations were towards the host and perhaps by extension the TV channel not Hawkeye. I know you are smarting. But you have to find a better way to find fault, I am afraid.

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[Gunner_Mania]

Again - no consipracy theory. Just a question. Sometimes these lead anchors only reflect what the broadcasters' view really is. So if Charu was so keen on brushing off any criticism on Hawkeye you can be reasonably sure that he was probably doing it on behalf of Ten Sports. Now, that does not sound like a conspiracy theory, does it?

Why do you think a broadcaster needs to sell Hawkeye? What incentive does he has? Especially for a series like Ind-SL where there is no UDRS, the Hawk-eye as a tool was useless as it was not going to change any decision whatsoever right or worng. Infact, I would have thought that the broadcaster would have been more inclined to do away with the gazillion cameras used for Hawkeye and whatever expertise needed for it and recoup some of the money they have paid for obtaining the rights.

[thevortex]

Go check with others if Iam wrong in what I make of your statements on this topic. Ohh wait the entire forum is also wrong !!

You not being able to understand a simple statement I am making does not need to involve the forum, man! Or should it be now? :)

Are you saying you have found a Bucknoresque howler from H/E ? Answer it with a simple yes/no if you want me to respond.

This is an immature response, Bossbhai. You and I both know what I pointed out. Your phrasing of Bucknoresque just shows that you are trapped in your own argument and are unable to look beyond the obvious. I am afraid I will have to leave you there with this misconception.

You accused H/E on the damned Title of the thread itself .... and then further elaborated it in the OP and post#12 ... you did all of this without knowing jack about why Atul missed the last test match and (most importantly ) to repeat for the zillionth time you STILL just dont understand the role H/E plays in the decision making as is evident from the first 2 paras in the OP and pretty much every post you make on this topic despite me , Outsider, G_M, MTC and others having tried many times to explain patiently the process ( Tangent Pre-emptor : Iam not talking about the accuracy part ) And Iam smarting from having wasted soo much time on a absolute dishonest deadbeat like you who does not even have the moral fortitude to answer a simple question as to whether you will accept H/E if all the numbers and verifications and certifications were infront of you.

You are smarting, yes! That much is the truth - as can be seen oh-so-apparently. And by the way, this convinces me. You are absolutely incapable of understanding a simple statement I make when it comes to Hawkeye. Let me break it down for you. At no point of time did I EVER accuse 'Hawkeye Inc' when it came to Atul Wassan or for anything at all. Get that - if you can or will. And you again talk about hypothetical things, man. Things which I have answered a gazillion times over and over.

Why do you think a broadcaster needs to sell Hawkeye? What incentive does he has? Especially for a series like Ind-SL where there is no UDRS' date=' the Hawk-eye as a tool was useless as it was not going to change any decision whatsoever right or worng. Infact, I would have thought that the broadcaster would have been more inclined to do away with the gazillion cameras used for Hawkeye and whatever expertise needed for it and recoup some of the money they have paid for obtaining the rights.[/quote'] Not really. Everything that is technology offers a chance for promoters to attach a name and a sponsor. Take a look at the slow motion replay. It could be a Samsung Slo mo. Or something like that. Tomorrow a sponsor could be had whenever they show a Hawkeye reproduction. And yes - that makes a huge difference to the broadcaster. Besides every such tool which gets the viewers connected with the action is something every broadcaster should rightly support.

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[thevortex]

Well you obviously wont take any amount of explanation I provide .... was hoping that you would atleast think twice given that soo many people just dont agree with you and infact simply ridicule you openly. But I guess you have the right to be ridiculed. So please dont let anything I say stop you !!

I am yet to see anybody ridicule me. If they indeed do, I dont see how it is anybody's business other than mine and the person who is dishing out the ridicule perhaps. Oh and maybe the moderators :). But really, you are living in dreams, Bossbhai. I am enjoying every bit of my time here in the forum.

Actually I dont know because you are a master at waffling away and a genious at being vague and ambigous. So if you want to discuss this any further you will have to answer my questions with a yes/no. And what will you accept as evidence without resorting to legal jargonry and ambiguity. Otherwise its your word against mine.

It has always been your word against mine. That is precisely why I wanted you to wake up and for once own up that there is no evidence. There never has been. That is all. It is you who has to stop being vague and what not. As for your question, that is a hypothetical question which is actually an anomaly. I just dont think such a paper can come (if the research was done by neutral parties with open standards and with the greatest amount of detail available for checking). Because I believe that Hawkeye is not as accurate as it is being touted to be.

You speak as though the entire forum is ridiculing me .... if there is anyone that is smarting its you who has only attracted ridicule from regular posters. And regarding H/E and Atul Wassan ... are you now trying to say that you were showering a lot of praise on H/E ? Using your logic is it ok for me to come out and say "Could vortex is a thief because I lost money when he was around ?"

I never said anybody is ridiculing you. To smart does not need others to ridicule you. And no, you continue to miss all sorts of points. Leave alone the central one.

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[thevortex]

I see people having harmless fun, Bossbhai. I laid myself open there and people were just cashing in. You assume too much. And I answered your question - given that it was hypothetical - to the best of my ability. And I have done so repeatedly. Nobody knows what is going to happen tomorrow. We are all transient creatures. I am sure you will understand this.

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[thevortex]

lol ... this thread is a live evidence of the extent to which you will go in your crusade against H/E ... and the big irony is you stoutly demand all sorts of certifications and evidence from those who support H/E whereas no such thing is needed before you embark on your agenda to hurl mud on H/E. This is why people are having fun at your expense ... and if I was you I would apologize when all I get in respone to a serious thread is an entire page worth of ridicule instead of pretending it to be something else.

You dont have an idea what is ridicule, Bossbhai. Just as you do not have any idea about what this thread was about and it did not involve slinging any sort of mud over Hawkeye. You have just gotten way too passionate about this subject, Bossbhai. So much so that you are not able to maintain distance and discuss disapassionately. If that cannot happen, nothing constructive can happen. So, lets drop it.

You have NOT answered it with a clear Yes/No. If you have an iota of honesty and courtesy answer that question with a Yes/No.

I dont think you are reading my posts at all. Such a report cannot come at all. That is what I believe.

forget tomorrow I already told you yesterday what MCC did on this matter. And FWIW snickometer isnt in the UDRS because it is still pending verification from ICC. What does it mean ? In the least it means that ICC checks out the technology before using them unlike what you say in your conspiracy theories.

You told me what MCC did on this matter? How does that matter? Why does not MCC come to the rescue of Hawkeye when all and sundry are out there questioning its accuracy? You are welcome to believe what you want to, Bossbhai. Just dont ask others to swallow things whole like you do. If ICC has tested Hawkeye independently and results are out there, somebody ought to have seen that. Leave alone poor old you and me. At least Shashank Manohar and Tendulkar would have been shown these independent tests, na?

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[thevortex]

Your insistence on a non-existing report is not just bizarre but is highly irritating. I do not understand this pointless tirade as well. I am simply asking you to own up to facts which you are not able to. And you keep on insisting that I provide a future-perspective answer to a hypothetical question? Is that not beyond laughable. Truthfully speaking you have not yet acknowledged that Hawkeye does not have a shred of proof as far as independent testing goes. Accept that and we can talk about honesty. Without that all you are doing is a big dance and show. And dont think everybody cannot make that out. Tendulkar has clearly laid it out for you. He has said he is not satisfied with the accuracy of the current technology in use in the UDRS. And that he prefers Hot Spot. Now fill in the blanks. If you cannot, then well, I am sure you will figure out in time :). Shashank Manohar too has come out equally clearly on this matter. Add Dhoni as well. But I fully expect you to come back and ask me to point the word 'Hawkeye' in their interviews! :). Surprise me just this one time, Bossbhai.

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[Ram]

Atul Wassan makes the auto-generated Richie Benaud commentary in the EA sports game Cricket 97, sound more articulate and informative. If he’s going to be fired (which I sincerely hope he is), criticizing the Hawkeye should be the last of the reasons causing it.