BCCI officials to scrutinise UDRS during Ashes

[Mamu]

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/tendulkar-a-major-barrier-to-reviews-20101013-16jmt.html

Indian master Sachin Tendulkar is as formidable an obstacle to umpire decision reviews as he is to Australia's bowlers. Subcontinental teams have largely opposed the use of the system, and Tendulkar, who usually keeps his opinions private, has been very public in saying the UDRS is too flawed to be in universal operation. Speaking after his sparkling 214 against the Australians in the second Test at Bangalore, Tendulkar explained his reticence. Advertisement: Story continues below "If we know that it is fool-proof ... you have to find something that is close to 100 per cent," he said. "Last time when I saw hot-spot, it was rather good and I was quite impressed with that. I thought it was good. "You cannot expect overnight results that can give you 100 per cent, it is quite good but we need to be convinced." Tendulkar's influence stretches to the highest echelons of the Indian board, and so long as BCCI secretary N Srinivasan knows that he - and Indian skipper MS Dhoni - are opposed, the board will not countenance its use in series involving India. "There were occasions in the past where we were not convinced at all," said Tendulkar. "I thought the lines were not correct and that's my personal opinion." The occasions Tendulkar mentioned took place during a series in Sri Lanka in 2008, when the system was in its trial phase. During those matches the Sri Lankans successfully challenged 11 decisions, but India were only able to do so once. The use of competing technologies - Hawk-Eye and Virtual Eye - to chart the path of the ball for lbw verdicts has also been a factor, and broadcasters have admitted that there were times in the past when equipment was not lined up as precisely as it should have been. However the fact remains that the percentage of correct decisions is higher in matches that have used the system, rising from around 95 per cent to 98 per cent. Tendulkar, a perfectionist in his batting, now expects the same of technology.

Don't agree with him here at all. India soon needs to pick up and start using UDRS. If it an art -- learn it. Cuz other countries are at it. I still think giving 3rd umpire the authority to reverse decisions instantly is the best way to go forward along with UDRS

[Rajan]

what i hate about the UDRS is the limit of 3 ! if it is 6 or 7 per innings, then indians should take it. if there is an option of having Snicko meter as well as the UDRS technology, or may be 3 technologies that would ensure an idiot proof decision to the 3rd umpire, then BCCI should agree. because the 3rd umpire in sydney screwed 2 critical decisions@sydney- Declared symonds not out when it was clear in slow mo replays from one angle, his foot was in the air, when he was stumped.that cost us many runs, time and the 2nd was the same 3rd umpire did not hesitate to give out Saurav Ganguly, when Michael Clarke claimed the catch. last test sanjay hazare, indian umpire gave Dhoni out qusetionably! there r many instances of even 3rd umpires making mistakes, Darryl Harper gave a wrong judgment in SA when apparently the SA broadcaster muted the sound and Harper could not hear an edge off a SA batsman. so, 3rd umpires too should be neutral and ICC panel.incometent local umpires may even cost a test. best of technology should be made available. clear , consistent guidelines to umpires. increasing the number of referrals to atleast 6/7. thats my wish list.

[dial_100]

For past two decades, SRT has been at the receiving end of wrong umpire decisions. Now a days, umpires are scared to give him out unless they are 100% sure. With review system, SRT will lose on all the benefit of doubt, boudary line decisions. He has every reason to oppose it. I will support him too.. If it is accurate then, it should be used. I think, leaving the decision on captain is really not a good idea. If bowler appeals, and umpires make wrong decision, then third umpires should step in and make the correction. Field umpires are for not relying on techology for easy decisions. But all otherwise, 100% decisions should be made by 3rd umpire. They should improve their decision making process.

[Sachinism]

For past two decades' date= SRT has been at the receiving end of wrong umpire decisions. Now a days, umpires are scared to give him out unless they are 100% sure. With review system, SRT will lose on all the benefit of doubt, boudary line decisions. He has every reason to oppose it. I will support him too.. If it is accurate then, it should be used. I think, leaving the decision on captain is really not a good idea. If bowler appeals, and umpires make wrong decision, then third umpires should step in and make the correction. Field umpires are for not relying on techology for easy decisions. But all otherwise, 100% decisions should be made by 3rd umpire. They should improve their decision making process.

WTF How has he been benefiting? :dontknow:

[dial_100]

Well, what I meant was, w/o review system, those LBW decision which are not conclusive to the on-field umpires in real time, will not be given out. But with review system and because it is SRT's wicket, every captain will review that decision in the hope that he will get him out. Correct?? Now if the ball is pitched just around the leg stump then umpire may feel it has pitched outside leg and give him not out but third umpires will find out by .001 centemeters, it has pitched in leg stump line, give him out. DO YOU see the point?? Because he is SRT, the king, no umpire dares to give him out just like that these days. After bhuknor retired, no other umpire has made such silly mistakes. I think team may gain but SRT will only lose if at all.

[fineleg]

Get the UDRS, BCCI.

[Mamu]

Watto appealed after SRT ducked yesterday, Bowden shook his head (lucky for us), I'm sure SRT was reminded of Glen McGrath and Bucknor right? Anyway, time for BCCI to overrule the players on this one. Get the UDRS.

That was Darrell Hair (if I am not wrong) who gave SRT out ducking. But unlike most Indians I think that was close call, it might have been but not out but a close one, unlike many other atrocious decisions especially by F**knor in Sydney 2004.

[Sachinism]

BCCI officials to scrutinise UDRS during Ashes A close-in view of the Umpire Decision Review System (UDRS) during the Ashes this year may finally convince the BCCI to change its stance over using the technology that allows players to question and reverse dismissals. Board officials, accompanied by ICC CEO Haroon Lorgat, will travel to Australia to watch the use of the system during the upcoming Ashes series. After the ICC's Board meeting this week, Lorgat said he "had agreed with Cricket Australia to attend the Ashes matches ... with representatives of the BCCI, to understand the successful application of the technology and its contribution to correct umpiring decisions." The entire exercise is meant to serve as a test run for the UDRS at the 2011 ICC World Cup - the ICC said India, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, the three World Cup hosts, had confirmed that the system would be used at the tournament subject to the "reliability" of ball-tracking technology. The Hot Spot technology, which uses expensive thermal imaging cameras, would be used in the semi-finals and final only. The ICC executive Board also announced that it would try to find sponsors for the UDRS to cover its high cost. Member nations could either pool their UDRS sponsorship rights with the ICC, and so earn sponsorship revenues after deducting costs, or try to find independent sponsors themselves. The ICC would ideally like the Ashes inspection to lead to the BCCI finally accepting UDRS for India's series. "We certainly hope so. There is so much agreement about the UDRS among other members and hopefully India feels it is time to look at it seriously again," said an official. The BCCI officials heading for the Ashes to give the system a thorough once-over could be chosen from a select group, with one among BCCI secretary N Srinivasan, operations in-charge Suru Nayak and the board's chief administrative officer Ratnakar Shetty most probably being on the visit. An ICC official admitted that the ball-tracking technology was "not 100% secure" but added that, "we have built in margins of error in the system. To overturn a decision, the third umpire would have to have a high degree of confidence." There is also the likelihood of the Ashes television coverage using a slightly improved version of its ball-tracker technology as well as the Hot Spot. These are meant to be the two arguments which, the ICC are hopeful, will eventually change the BCCI's mind. ESPNcricinfo has learnt that during the India-Australia Test series, there have been discussions between players, particularly the two captains, and officials, about the UDRS and the ball-tracking technology currently being used. Controversial decisions, against Gautam Gambhir, Ishant Sharma and Michael Hussey, during the Mohali Test certainly proved that the UDRS was missed at critical junctures. India's doubts over the UDRS rest mostly on Hawkeye's accuracy in the assumption of heights. The use of vector graphics for 'projectile mapping' - predicting the course of the ball - does not, its cynics believe, take into account the variety of wicket conditions which changed daily. The ICC hopes that the next few months could be a 'turning point' for the UDRS. It maintains that studies have proved that the DRS system increases the percentage of correct decision-making from 92% to around 97%. A superior ball-tracker and a resolution over the Hot Spot cost issue could however lead to the system being used in India next season. That is, if the BCCI wants to find a way to squeeze in a home series in 2011, as the year is dominated by away tours for the Indian team. http://www.cricinfo.com/india/content/current/story/481602.html

[yoda]

Looks like the charm of the umpires will be fading away soon, one way or the other.

[fineleg]

Ratnakar Shetty and co. are going on a holiday trip :P

[Rajan]

That was Darrell Hair (if I am not wrong) who gave SRT out ducking. But unlike most Indians I think that was close call, it might have been but not out but a close one, unlike many other atrocious decisions especially by F**knor in Sydney 2004.

neither Bucknor nor Hair. it was Darryl Harper and he is maintaining he was correct in THAT decision , till date

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[vamos_rafa]

There's something about sporting icons and decision reviews i think. Even Roger Federer does not like the usage of line reviews in Tennis matches and he has blatantly criticsed it. Though he has eaten his own words and actually went on to say that the FIFA WC where England was made to miss a shocker should have had the reviews but in his initial days he had his doubts. Though I agree with Sachin's statements about Hawkeye not being 100% fool proof. The hot spot is a superior technology to it which can assist in edges and all,but hawk eye ,by the does not always gurantee that it is providing the right indicator or not.

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[Chandan]

Can someone ask these scumbags why the fudge they were blowing hot air all over the place when Bucknor and Benson gave a fine display of "Charmness" back in 2008 ? If you cant take Charmness you shut up and put up with UDRS if you dont like UDRS you shutup and put up with Charmness ... cant have it both ways.

Don't think BCCI deserve that outburst, Bossbhai. Remember, BCCI was the first country to agree to use UDRS in tests back in 2008 in India-SL series? Its just that the system was in a terrible shape then and shouldn't have been tried at the international level. And it turned our players completely against the system and right now they are just not getting convinced that UDRS can be used. It is not BCCI's fault but ICC's fault.

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[Chandan]

When did BCCI do what the majority did? Remeber they were not even in favour of T20 cricket initially. And the other country's journalists were as angry. Now that they adopted T20, the world is even more angry. So...

[thevortex]

When did BCCI do what the majority did? Remeber they were not even in favour of T20 cricket initially. And the other country's journalists were as angry. Now that they adopted T20, the world is even more angry. So...

Precisely, Chandan! Well said. By the way, in that other thread, what did you make of my answer to your question as to whether I had any suggestions or alternatives to this whole Hawkeye/UDRS thing?

[thevortex]

Why all this talk about a system which does not even consider the ball's trajectory from the point of release!!!

[jaggadaku]

Srilankan trolls will be the happiest when India starts using UDRS, for some reason they believe India only wins because of not having UDRS