Should Raina play instead of Kohli to give a part time bowling option ?

[desi pride 1234]

Do you honestly believe Yusuf and Yuvi cannot bowl 10 overs between them? India's problem is not part time bowling. I am repeating it 1000th time. India's problem is lack of wicket taking options. We don't have attacking bowlers who can pick up wickets. I don't mind Yuvi' date=' Yusuf going for few extra runs as long as the other 4 do their job. Problem against England was barring Zaheer in the late end everyone was crap. If a team manages to beat the heck out of those 6 they sure would beat the crap out of Raina as well. It is not like Raina has a magic delivery.[/quote'] i agree. raina is not a wicket taking option. but what will u do if yusuf and yuvi are taken to cleaners? u have to look for someone who can fill these overs. u just cannot keep on giving overs to yuvi when he struggles. did u forgot raina's last over against kings 11 punjab when yuvi cudnt hit raina for runs. he is capable of filling some overs. we dont have allrounders, and we cannot afford 5 bowlers as well. so he is the best option we have right now. so its not a sin to drop kohli to give dhoni a little bit of bowling option

[desi pride 1234]

Raina himself would be amused at this suggestion :haha: . He may even feel slighted.

raina would have shared the overs with yuvi if yusuf was not picked. same cannot be said for kohli.

[vvvslaxman]

i agree. raina is not a wicket taking option. but what will u do if yusuf and yuvi are taken to cleaners? u have to look for someone who can fill these overs. u just cannot keep on giving overs to yuvi when he struggles. did u forgot raina's last over against kings 11 punjab when yuvi cudnt hit raina for runs. he is capable of filling some overs. we dont have allrounders' date=' and we cannot afford 5 bowlers as well. so he is the best option we have right now. so its not a sin to drop kohli to give dhoni a little bit of bowling option[/quote'] If Yuvi and yusuf are taken to cleaners what are the odds Raina will not be taken to cleaners? Yuvraj is far more established bowler than Raina. What if India suddenly collapses and Raina fails to deliver with the bat? Based on current form I would bet on Kohli to bail India out more than Raina.

[vvvslaxman]

raina would have shared the overs with yuvi if yusuf was not picked. same cannot be said for kohli.

So basically he can only replace Yusuf not Kohli. Would you drop Tendulkar for Raina? Gambhir and Viru can open the innings?

[desi pride 1234]

If Yuvi and yusuf are taken to cleaners what are the odds Raina will not be taken to cleaners? Yuvraj is far more established bowler than Raina. What if India suddenly collapses and Raina fails to deliver with the bat? Based on current form I would bet on Kohli to bail India out more than Raina.

he could be taken for cleaners. but who knows???:--D. on indian pitches raina is a better batsman than kohli. raina can come in handy if we need more than 7 or 8 runs per over. kohli a slow starter.

[desi pride 1234]

So basically he can only replace Yusuf not Kohli. Would you drop Tendulkar for Raina? Gambhir and Viru can open the innings?

yeah. y not drop dhoni and make gambir as a captain?:haha: bizzare.

[Sid]

he could be taken for cleaners. but who knows???:--D. on indian pitches raina is a better batsman than kohli. raina can come in handy if we need more than 7 or 8 runs per over. kohli a slow starter.

Excellent logic ,so what about Gauti,we should also drop him :hmmm:

[vvvslaxman]

he could be taken for cleaners. but who knows???:--D. on indian pitches raina is a better batsman than kohli. raina can come in handy if we need more than 7 or 8 runs per over. kohli a slow starter.

In current form Kohli is better than any Indian batsman let alone Raina. And Raina is still recovering from the miserable failures in the Test series against SA where all fast bowlers gave him a fair degree of work over. His shot selection has gone poorer. His form is kinda iffy. Yuvraj is not fully back to form. DHoni is yet to come back to form. (don't take his 100 at chennai seriously), Yusuf hit or miss. Any top order collapse means India will have no one to fall back on with a lower order that is iffy in form.

[desi pride 1234]

In current form Kohli is better than any Indian batsman let alone Raina. And Raina is still recovering from the miserable failures in the Test series against SA where all fast bowlers gave him a fair degree of work over. His shot selection has gone poorer. His form is kinda iffy. Yuvraj is not fully back to form. DHoni is yet to come back to form. (don't take his 100 at chennai seriously)' date=' Yusuf hit or miss. Any top order collapse means India will have no one to fall back on with a lower order that is iffy in form.[/quote'] yes. but he cannot play the quick fire 40s and 50s. raina would not have got his chance in indian team if he is still struggling with his form. they picked him because he is very much capable of replacing any batsman in indian team. he struggled in south african pitches. but we all know what he is capable of here in subcontinent. u cannot dismiss any batsman without giving any chances. raina deserves more.

[achilles]

i agree. raina is not a wicket taking option. but what will u do if yusuf and yuvi are taken to cleaners? u have to look for someone who can fill these overs. u just cannot keep on giving overs to yuvi when he struggles. did u forgot raina's last over against kings 11 punjab when yuvi cudnt hit raina for runs. he is capable of filling some overs. we dont have allrounders' date=' and we cannot afford 5 bowlers as well. so he is the best option we have right now. so its not a sin to drop kohli to give dhoni a little bit of bowling option[/quote'] The point, Yuvi & Yusuf ARE NOT regular bowlers. The fact that they bowled so well for a bit was itself an achievement for their primary job is to support the bowlers, not to outdo them. And may I know what adding ANOTHER off-spinner in Raina add to India?

[vvvslaxman]

yes. but he cannot play the quick fire 40s and 50s. raina would not have got his chance in indian team if he is still struggling with his form. they picked him because he is very much capable of replacing any batsman in indian team. he struggled in south african pitches. but we all know what he is capable of here in subcontinent. u cannot dismiss any batsman without giving any chances. raina deserves more.

99% of the experts will disagree with you on that. Unless Kohli gets into a rut there is no way Raina going to claim Kohli's place. We can disagree all day. In the end what you say is not going to happen if Kohli continues his run.

[desi pride 1234]

99% of the experts will disagree with you on that. Unless Kohli gets into a rut there is no way Raina going to claim Kohli's place. We can disagree all day. In the end what you say is not going to happen if Kohli continues his run.

yep. we can disagree all day but i just hope and pray:pray: raina gets chances that too in place of kohli. god listned to me when sreesanth was dropped and than he got selected . hope he listens my prayers this time too.:two_thumbs_up:

[desi pride 1234]

The point' date=' Yuvi & Yusuf ARE NOT regular bowlers. The fact that they bowled so well for a bit was itself an achievement for their primary job is to support the bowlers, not to outdo them. And may I know what adding ANOTHER off-spinner in Raina add to India?[/quote'] bowling option.:--D

[vvvslaxman]

yep. we can disagree all day but i just hope and pray:pray: raina gets chances that too in place of kohli. god listned to me when sreesanth was dropped and than he got selected . hope he listens my prayers this time too.:two_thumbs_up:

India will continue with this combination except may be one change in the spin department Ashwin in place of Chawla. They won't tinker too much.

[achilles]

bowling option.:--D

Yuvraj Yusuf Sehwag Yusuf Sachin 5 bowlers to bowl 10 overs seems a good deal :--D 2 overs each would be fine too :two_thumbs_up:

[desi pride 1234]

India will continue with this combination except may be one change in the spin department Ashwin in place of Chawla. They won't tinker too much.

if dhoni wants his midas touch back, then he should include sreesanth and raina.:giggle::giggle::giggle:

[desi pride 1234]

Yuvraj Yusuf Sehwag Yusuf Sachin 5 bowlers to bowl 10 overs seems a good deal :--D 2 overs each would be fine too :two_thumbs_up:

:omg::((:((

[Sachin=GOD]

Drop Yusuf and bring in Raina. The idea of dropping Kohli is absolutely foolish - the guy is among the very best batsmen in the World on current form and we've got people who say he still should be dropped :wall:

[spectre]

I see Raina as a better bowler than Yusuf Pathan. But the kind of miracles that Yusuf Pathan can produce with the bat, Raina cannot do it as much as Yusuf can. But Yusuf will always be a hit or miss option. And he is not effective coming in at slog overs, he needs time to settle down and take on the attack. If I was to bank on someone setting a big target or chasing down one, and I need to send him in the 40th over, that will be Raina. Yusuf to be effective should be played out in middle order, in SC wickets. He can be the most dangerous there.

[Jersey #10]

Raina bats lower down the order and still averages freakishly in upper 30s. Kohli has probably the best spot to bat at. He scores very slow for 3/4 of his innings and then takes few riscks in the end and then gets out soon.