ravishingravi Posted March 13, 2011 Author Posted March 13, 2011 Distortion of the idea of secularism BEzeXJYVTQU&feature=related
ravishingravi Posted March 13, 2011 Author Posted March 13, 2011 Okay this guy is good. Rahul Gandhi exposed n6HlUcr_YDA&feature=related
Late Cut Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 Interesting. Did you know that Obama is a muslim, and the anti christ, and plans to implant everyone with a chip that can control them? The evidence is all there. Just youtube it.:two_thumbs_up: This post is brought to you by the correct use of the word "sarcasm."
ravishingravi Posted March 13, 2011 Author Posted March 13, 2011 Probably correct use of facts and counter arguments would have served greater purpose. Interesting that you equate this case with Obama's. Begs the question if you are aware of the matter of contention or the background of people making the case. I think not. No sarcasm intended here.
Late Cut Posted March 13, 2011 Posted March 13, 2011 Fact...what exactly does that mean? Please do elaborate on the facts presented in the above videos. I always do consider myslf ignorant when it comes to everything, so i would love for you to educate me on the matter of contention and of the background of the wonderful people making the case. I am most interested in the facts, the pure motives, and the lack of any political agendas ( seriously, why would a politician ever twist " facts" for their benefit, especially, " facts" of such great importance, such as who someones parents were, their profession as an "au peir," the fact that they checked N/A on their citizenship application. Facts of such high intellectual value, and of great national importance, that they need to be delivered with such open mindedness, kindness and consideration). A messenger exposes who he is in the message he delivers, and what he delivers, where the truth of his nature is revealed. There is no need for anything more to ascertain who the messenger is...
ravishingravi Posted March 14, 2011 Author Posted March 14, 2011 ^All that talk and yet no retort to the actual points made in the video which begs the question again have you seen the video ? The SC holds up the most of the arguments made by Subramaniam Swamy who is Phd Economist and proffessor at Harvard, one of the foresmost leaders against Emergency, one of the main reasons for the developments in spectrum allocation scandal. So much for equating him with right wing nut job or tea baggers in US. I suggest watch the video and put up any one fact that is questionable or arguable. I am genuinely keen to know
Late Cut Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 ^All that talk and yet no retort to the actual points made in the video which begs the question again have you seen the video ? The SC holds up the most of the arguments made by Subramaniam Swamy who is Phd Economist and proffessor at Harvard, one of the foresmost leaders against Emergency, one of the main reasons for the developments in spectrum allocation scandal. So much for equating him with right wing nut job or tea baggers in US. I suggest watch the video and put up any one fact that is questionable or arguable. I am genuinely keen to know Sorry, but you have simply avoided what i have stated; low brow tabloid slander that has nothing to do with anything of national import has no import to me (it might to you). For example, if someone where to whisper in my ear, that the parent of someone i knew was a nazi, or that they were once a prostitute, it tells me more about the person whispering in my ear and who they are, and their agenda. I am much more vigilant of the person claiming puritan righteousness; people who scapegoat minorities or outsiders, people who pretend that there is one truth and base their arguments on gossip, innuendo, and slander. Scapegoating is oft used by the majority to achieve their goals, and usualy takes on the form of sensationalism. From the salem witch trials, to the Nazi propaganda against jews, to those who claim racial or caste superiority of one human being over another, to those who blame indians and immigrants for the lack of being able to find a job, to the end of the worlders, and those espousing the above, all have similar patterns, agendas, and use similar techniques. Again, you might find such arguments perfectly valid, find them of great import, be filled with righteous anger and nationalist pride, and might even want to take action against "those people." i also find it laughable that the strawman argument against continued discrimination is that "oh, the scriptures didnt intend it that way," (love the lil part about kings and priests have limited power and the seperation of power via hinduism...so who exactly where the untouchables? People who wanted no power?) An educational degree does not equate to class, neither does wealth; behavior does. But that's me. Again, you might find it to be most important for someone who has class to have those degrees, have a certain acronym, or other such criteria. Again, i have said i am ignorant, so please do educate me. Please tell me why the "facts" above, in the videos, are of such high importance.
ravishingravi Posted March 14, 2011 Author Posted March 14, 2011 Sorry, but you have simply avoided what i have stated; low brow tabloid slander that has nothing to do with anything of national import has no import to me (it might to you). For example, if someone where to whisper in my ear, that the parent of someone i knew was a nazi, or that they were once a prostitute, it tells me more about the person whispering in my ear and who they are, and their agenda. I am much more vigilant of the person claiming puritan righteousness; people who scapegoat minorities or outsiders, people who pretend that there is one truth and base their arguments on gossip, innuendo, and slander. Scapegoating is oft used by the majority to achieve their goals, and usualy takes on the form of sensationalism. From the salem witch trials, to the Nazi propaganda against jews, to those who claim racial or caste superiority of one human being over another, to those who blame indians and immigrants for the lack of being able to find a job, to the end of the worlders, and those espousing the above, all have similar patterns, agendas, and use similar techniques. Again, you might find such arguments perfectly valid, find them of great import, be filled with righteous anger and nationalist pride, and might even want to take action against "those people." i also find it laughable that the strawman argument against continued discrimination is that "oh, the scriptures didnt intend it that way," (love the lil part about kings and priests have limited power and the seperation of power via hinduism...so who exactly where the untouchables? People who wanted no power?) An educational degree does not equate to class, neither does wealth; behavior does. But that's me. Again, you might find it to be most important for someone who has class to have those degrees, have a certain acronym, or other such criteria. Again, i have said i am ignorant, so please do educate me. Please tell me why the "facts" above, in the videos, are of such high importance. Yes I did avoid replying to it ( although I read it ) since it is not relevant to the topic or the video posted. It is not that I disagree with it as much as I am struggling to see the comparison between Swamy's assertions vindicated by highest courts ruling in its favour and never contradicted by the concerned people ( Gandhis ) and some joe six pack spewing hatred on the streets influenced by Fox news or nut wing party catering to them. All the documents have been released as far as Obama is concerned. Now I bolded the last part because I have no issues with anyone saying that he is less concerned about these "facts" and non or false disclosures on part of the leaders of the nation. We choose to see it differently then and I am cool with that. But like I said, in reply to your OP, to equate the lunatic "birthers" with Swamy both in terms of credibility of two parties, their approach to their concerned message and ways of getting it across is simply not one unless you are unaware of this man's history. As for his thoughts on Hinduism, I agree partially to it, but he does make some very generalized assumptions. So, I am no blind follower of his, but I would lend an ear to anything he has to offer since he has more credibility and integrity than most politicians today and the "Raja case" has further established that fact.
Ram Posted March 14, 2011 Posted March 14, 2011 Okay this guy is good. Rahul Gandhi exposed n6HlUcr_YDA&feature=related In this video, Swami is pretty much accusing Sonia Gandhi’s mother of sleeping with someone else while her dad was in jail and this is your version of ‘he is good…’. How hard is it to have at least a modicum of decency and show at least a little bit of respect for women? I mean seriously, how hard is it? Though, to be fair, did you also not find that video of Ram Jethmalani shouting like a crazed mad man, even as Sagarika Ghose was asking him reasonable question in a perfectly polite manner, entertaining?
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