rkt.india Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Jadeja was out of the team for his inability to hit the 4s and 6s. The lad has worked hard on his game, added more muscle and seems to have added a lot of power to his shots (so what if it is IPL). Instead of appreciating it, why would you bash a youngster is beyond me. Vijay's IPL success in fact has ended up confusing him. When he played in that series vs Aus in 2008, and in domestic matches, he was an elegant player perfectly suited for test cricket. He modified his technique, added a few more shots to his armoury (the hoick) and that tranformed his career. But that slight technical change now gives him the trouble at international cricket especially in ODIs and t20s. He hasn't quite figured out his approach in the shorter formats. Also, you need to be realistic in your expectations with some of these IPL success stories. In IPL you face a bowling attack which has at best one and a half world class bowlers. Not so in international cricket. International teams too dont have all 4-5 good bowler. mainly first two are good enough, others are just time pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap_Brannigan Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Too harsh on Vijay : 2009 - Very limited shots. Only fit for tests. 2010 - Good leg side attacking shots. But very few in the offside. 2011 - Good attacking shots all side of the wicket. But cannot rotate strike. Not fit of ODIs. Once Vijay learns to get singles and doubles when he cannot go over the top, he will be good in ODIs. Right now, he either has to go all out in T20's and wait for bad balls in tests. Ganguly is a perfect example of players with limited abilities like Vijay, who learn and evolve as they age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saneindian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 International teams too dont have all 4-5 good bowler. mainly first two are good enough' date=' [b']others are just time pass. Lee, Jhonson, Bollinger, Watson Gul, Riaz, Afridi, Ajmal/Rehman Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe, Kallis, Botha (and now Tahir too) Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Swann Mallinga, Kulasekara, Perrera, Randiv Mills, Southee, Mackay, Oram, Vettori Name one IPL team with a bowling lineup as good as any of the attacks mentioned above. Even Roach, Rampaul, Benn, Sammy or Shafiul, Rubel, Shakib, Razzaq could turn out to be a better attack than the IPL bowling line ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap_Brannigan Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Lee, Jhonson, Bollinger, Watson Gul, Riaz, Afridi, Ajmal/Rehman Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe, Kallis, Botha (and now Tahir too) Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Swann Mallinga, Kulasekara, Perrera, Randiv Mills, Southee, Mackay, Oram, Vettori Name one IPL team with a bowling lineup as good as any of the attacks mentioned above. Even Roach, Rampaul, Benn, Sammy or Shafiul, Rubel, Shakib, Razzaq could turn out to be a better attack than the IPL bowling line ups. Bollinger, Morkel, Muralidharan, Ashwin, Balaji/Jakati in 2010 IPL was as good as SL, NZ or English bowling line up you have mentioned. Most IPL teams have just 1 or 2 non-international class bowlers and that includes the 5th and 6th bowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saneindian Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Which is exactly what I said. Most IPL teams have at best 1-2 good world class bowlers (and that CSK attack was an exception) and hence to expect players doing well in IPL to be equally effective in international cricket is unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zap_Brannigan Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Which is exactly what I said. Most IPL teams have at best 1-2 good world class bowlers (and that CSK attack was an exception) and hence to expect players doing well in IPL to be equally effective in international cricket is unrealistic. 2 foreign bowlers, 1 Indian international bowlers and 1 local bowler is almost as good as most international team bowling if the 3 international players are very good. The quality of most IPL teams is not that far off from the bottom 3 or 4 international teams. The reason that it looks like these IPL players haven't done well in International T20 is because they have hardly played them. India has hardly played a T20 international outside the WC. Most of the IPL heroes have never played a T20 outside India and SA and that maybe the reason they failed in the very few. If you give them enough chances or if we play in India, some of these guys might do very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Which is exactly what I said. Most IPL teams have at best 1-2 good world class bowlers (and that CSK attack was an exception) and hence to expect players doing well in IPL to be equally effective in international cricket is unrealistic. Malinga, Munaf, Harby, Murtuza, Pollard...Murtuza is not bad for international teams....Styen, IShant, Ojha,Mishra, Christian, Gony its an international attack.... Nannes, Zak, Mithun, Vettori...its an international attack RPS, Sreeshanth, Vinay, Murli, Jaddu...its an international attack... PK, Harris, MClaren, Chawla...its an international attack Thomas, Parnell, Wagh, Kartik...its not a bad attack at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Lee, Jhonson, Bollinger, Watson Gul, Riaz, Afridi, Ajmal/Rehman Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe, Kallis, Botha (and now Tahir too) Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Swann Mallinga, Kulasekara, Perrera, Randiv Mills, Southee, Mackay, Oram, Vettori Name one IPL team with a bowling lineup as good as any of the attacks mentioned above. Even Roach, Rampaul, Benn, Sammy or Shafiul, Rubel, Shakib, Razzaq could turn out to be a better attack than the IPL bowling line ups. Oram, Mackay, Parera, Kallis, Botha, Tahir, TSosobe, Rehman, watson are not the bowlers who are international quality.... Its truth...most teams struggle to field good 4-5 bowlers in every match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcastic Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Lee, Jhonson, Bollinger, Watson Gul, Riaz, Afridi, Ajmal/Rehman Steyn, Morkel, Tsotsobe, Kallis, Botha (and now Tahir too) Anderson, Broad, Bresnan, Swann Mallinga, Kulasekara, Perrera, Randiv Mills, Southee, Mackay, Oram, Vettori Name one IPL team with a bowling lineup as good as any of the attacks mentioned above. Even Roach, Rampaul, Benn, Sammy or Shafiul, Rubel, Shakib, Razzaq could turn out to be a better attack than the IPL bowling line ups. What about Steyn, Ishant, Ojha, Mishra, Christian/Harmeet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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