EnterTheVoid Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 even then, I wouldn't imply that ganguly is greater than dhoni or kallis for garnering more fan cheers in india , australia n else where...:giggle: again: Kalliis - 23kruns, 530wkts in arnd only 60-70% of cricket played by sachin.... bbye for now Why don't you come and watch a test match in Australia? Than you'd know what to do with those stats of yours.
Sachin=GOD Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 even then' date=' I wouldn't imply that [b']ganguly is greater than dhoni or kallis for garnering more fan cheers in india , australia n else where...:giggle: again: Kalliis - 23kruns, 530wkts in arnd only 60-70% of cricket played by sachin.... bbye for now again bringing Ganguly in a thread which has absolutely no relation to him :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
vvvslaxman Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 few points for the fans to ponder over: -> its easier for fast bowlers to bowl at chest level n above to shorter guys which is harder to score off most times. -> smaller guys have comparatively lesser power n smaller swing of the bat (can't hit the big shots as often). So they rely more on application, hitting the gaps n timing than bigger batsmen to score runs. This requires more skill n is a harder thing to do. -> so, many(not all) fans might be placing slightly higher value(in terms of skill n difficulty) to sachin's 30k runs than say if a Symonds had scored those runs. Is it not a possibility?? -> If yes, Would the fans be necessarily aware of this?? its nothing much, but at look this vid (which i just came across while killing time on youtube), jonty rhodes mentions sachin's size a couple of times.. your opinions are welcome.... [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqoSWFTN4kQ]YouTube - Jayasuriya huge six on the roof[/ame]
vaibhav_delhi Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 :acute: ... look at the balls faced column ... once you do the figure is ~88% and not 66% http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;qualmin1=10000;qualval1=runs;template=results;type=batting wouldn't be fair to compare balls faced in test cricket bcoz both players have different styles, play at different pace. If you compare the total innings played, Sachin has 733 for india and kallis has 546 for SA (74.4% of sachin)....
Sachin=GOD Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 wouldn't be fair to compare balls faced in test cricket bcoz both players have different styles' date=' play at different pace. If you compare the total innings played, Sachin has 733 for india and kallis has 546 for SA (74.4% of sachin)....[/quote'] Okay.
SachDan Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 wouldn't be fair to compare balls faced in test cricket bcoz both players have different styles' date=' play at different pace. If you compare the total innings played, Sachin has 733 for india and kallis has 546 for SA (74.4% of sachin)....[/quote'] Sachin has also scored more than 10,000 runs and your point?
SachDan Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Okay. You're right. Time has come for all of us to bow down to VD's cricketing wisdom. No point questioning him, let's all nod in agreement to his future posts..'okay'?
vaibhav_delhi Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Sachin has also scored more than 10' date='000 runs and your point?[/quote'] 1. Sachin bats with higher Strike rate in test cricket while Kallis also scores the big runs while taking more number of balls. For ex., Say if Sachin faces 65 balls on average for 50 runs and kallis takes 75 balls for his 50,.... Its not fair to compare no. of balls. Compare the number of innings , Sachin(733) has 25% more innings than kallis(546) and has scored ~9100 runs more. Kallis has higher test and ODI batting average than sachin. Another small point: 2. No. of balls faced by Sachin in test cricket is not known either. See here: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35320.html As well as here, its written 48,137+ balls (exact number not known) faced: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;qualmin1=10000;qualval1=runs;template=results;type=batting hope you understand
SachDan Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 1. Sachin bats with higher Strike rate in test cricket while Kallis also scores the big runs while taking more number of balls. For ex., Say if Sachin faces 65 balls on average for 50 runs and kallis takes 75 balls for his 50,.... Its not fair to compare no. of balls. Compare the number of innings , Sachin(733) has 25% more innings than kallis(546) and has scored ~9100 runs more. Kallis has higher test and ODI batting average Now I've heard/read everything :hysterical::hysterical: ps: okay
Sachin=GOD Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 1. Sachin bats with higher Strike rate in test cricket while Kallis also scores the big runs while taking more number of balls. Kaliis and Big Runs - am I missing something :hmmm: Are you talking about the same Kallis who made the 1st double century of his career in December last year? Or the same Kallis who has only 12 scores of 150+ out of his 40 centuries in Test matches (forget about comparing to Goddy, even Sehwag has 14 scores of 150+ even though he only has 22 centuries) For ex., Say if Sachin faces 65 balls on average for 50 runs and kallis takes 75 balls for his 50,.... Its not fair to compare no. of balls. Compare the number of innings , Sachin(733) has 25% more innings than kallis(546) and has scored ~9100 runs more. Kallis has higher test and ODI batting average than sachin. Another small point: 2. No. of balls faced by Sachin in test cricket is not known either. See here: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/35320.html As well as here, its written 48,137+ balls (exact number not known) faced: http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=11;filter=advanced;orderby=balls_faced;qualmin1=10000;qualval1=runs;template=results;type=batting hope you understand :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
Sachin=GOD Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 You say as though scoring at a substantially higher S/R in both formats over a lot many more inngs is like piece of cake ... and has no implications ? Keep in mind that Kallis did not have to deal with his fellow meanies like Donald,Steytn,Pollock,Ntini etc ... instead he had to deal with the Indian bowling attack. look at the Not out column :acute: I sooo knew you would say that .... :hysterical: The problem is that it is due to the lazy scorers in ONE Single Test Match against SL way back in early 90s who did not record the no.of balls faced in the one inngs that SRT played in that match. IIRC he got out in single digits and it simply does not alter his S/R beyond the 3rd digit after the decimal point. :--D Let me know if you want the scorecard for this match. is it this match: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63548.html Goddy made 11 runs in that match. Hell lot of a difference that would make to the total number of balls he has faced in a career of 21+ years :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:
SachDan Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 is it this match: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63548.html Goddy made 11 runs in that match. Hell lot of a difference that would make to the total number of balls he has faced in a career of 21+ years :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: But..but he made only 11 runs in that match and see how India won by an innings and eight runs?! Now lets take the discussion there
Sid Posted May 11, 2011 Posted May 11, 2011 Vaibhav where are you, take the charge ,fanboys are winning the battle here :hitler:
vaibhav_delhi Posted May 12, 2011 Posted May 12, 2011 You say as though scoring at a substantially higher S/R in both formats over a lot many more inngs is like piece of cake ... and has no implications ? Keep in mind that Kallis did not have to deal with his fellow meanies like Donald' date='Steytn,Pollock,Ntini etc ... instead he had to deal with the Indian bowling attack.[/quote'] the point was to compare who played more cricket, and in that, test match strike rates should be irrelevant. well If you knew, you could have mentioned this earlier. Becoz I dint know and accidentally saw it when I wanted to compare test match strike rates(which is missing in sachin's stats)
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