Sachin Tendulkar or Vivian Richards?

[pensionplan]

but you also consider Ernie Toshack as a better bowler than Wasim Akram ... Hey atleast you are consistent :hatsoff:

Yes. By the way you still you cannot explain why Tendulkar is in a group of players like Sanga, Lady Jaya, Samara et al in the 50 average club if you consider him to be the greatest ever. And by the way how come the greatest ever does not even have 80 FC centuries in comparision to Vv who has almost 115 of them. Some greatest ever that. :-)

[pensionplan]

Quite a pussy you are to unnecessary wag your tail in between the ongoing banter of other posters.

Ha...Ha...

[SachDan]

Yes. By the way you still you cannot explain why Tendulkar is in a group of players like Sanga, Lady Jaya, Samara et al in the 50 average club if you consider him to be the greatest ever. And by the way how come the greatest ever does not even have 80 FC centuries in comparision to Vv who has almost 115 of them. Some greatest ever that. :-)

ok

[pensionplan]

Sachin is very close to the other two despite you taking some of his worst years and leaving out some of his good ones. Care to take a look at the last 5 years' date=' the period where India became number 1, where he averages way more than the others in wins?[/quote']Hmm...okay. When it comes SRT we need to be considerate of his bad years and what not and pick and choose whatever shows him in good light. Applying the same logic how about considering the timeline starting 2011 Nov 1'st the 1st series after losing the No.1 ranking. In two wins VVS averages 200 plus while RD averages 68 and SRT barely 40. How about that. SRT does not even compare to the other two. LOL. Very Nice indeed. I will wait and you can watch.

[CSK Fan]

Hmm...okay. When it comes SRT we need to be considerate of his bad years and what not and pick and choose whatever shows him in good light. Applying the same logic how about considering the timeline starting 2011 Nov 1'st the 1st series after losing the No.1 ranking. In two wins VVS averages 200 plus while RD averages 68 and SRT barely 40. How about that. SRT does not even compare to the other two. LOL. Very Nice indeed. I will wait and you can watch.

Where did I choose for Sachin whatever suits him right? My example was after your chosing the first one As for the data for showing Sachin's performance in 2011, doesnt that show that India losing no 1 was directly co-related to Sachin's form?

[CSK Fan]

Yes. By the way you still you cannot explain why Tendulkar is in a group of players like Sanga, Lady Jaya, Samara et al in the 50 average club if you consider him to be the greatest ever. And by the way how come the greatest ever does not even have 80 FC centuries in comparision to Vv who has almost 115 of them. Some greatest ever that. :-)

You still didnt learn a lesson from seeing Ponting, Dravid's career. Batsmen do reach their peak, both Ponting anf Dravid reached almost 60. Where are they now? I see you have not put them in Sachin's league in the example. By the time they all reach the end of their career, like Sachin, every player you named will be way behind him. Its the end of the career which matters and not occasional peaks

[zen]

So if Sachin were in form, we would have won/drew in Eng, I guess .... the bowlers would have picked up some more wkts too :yay: poor Dravid would have been happy not to see his effort go in vain

[zen]

You still didnt learn a lesson from seeing Ponting' date=' Dravid's career. Batsmen do reach their peak, both Ponting anf Dravid reached almost 60. Where are they now? I see you have not put them in Sachin's league in the example. By the time they all reach the end of their career, like Sachin, every player you named will be way behind him.[b'] Its the end of the career which matters and not occasional peaks

Not really, if a batsman performs consistently for a period of time, we tend to judge him based on that unless ofc the period of low performance is substantially long For example, if Sachin had retired in 2006 after a lean patch from 2004-2006 (the avg saved somewhat by touring BD), he would still have been remembered for his exploits and not how he ended up with .... I think he is lucky to have gone through that stage a little early. If he had gone through that stage in say 2008-2010 period, who knows we may not have played in the WC .... As they say, "form is temporary and class is permanent"

[pensionplan]

As for the data for showing Sachin's performance in 2011' date=' doesnt that show that India losing no 1 was directly co-related to Sachin's form?[/quote']No. Case in point SRT averages lesser than VS, VVS and RD in wins over a fifteen year span which proves it is a myth that SRT somehow needs to be numero uno for India to win. That England tour loss was a direct affect of VS, VVS and SRT all jointly failing with the bat and bowlers breaking down by the dozen. So no SRT's failure alone did not co-relate directly to losing the No.1 Test ranking after that England series defeat.

[pensionplan]

So if Sachin were in form, we would have won/drew in Eng, I guess .... the bowlers would have picked up some more wkts too :yay:

LOL....

[zen]

waiting for the super hero YP4baTm09uM&feature=related

[ganeshran]

still trying :cantstop:

[zen]

still trying :cantstop:

Badan eater can only repeat his taglines :(( May be the badam is in short supply :hysterical: Let's cheer "badam, badam, badam ....." .... someone will pop out a few

[CSK Fan]

Not really, if a batsman performs consistently for a period of time, we tend to judge him based on that unless ofc the period of low performance is substantially long For example, if Sachin had retired in 2006 after a lean patch from 2004-2006 (the avg saved somewhat by touring BD), he would still have been remembered for his exploits and not how he ended up with .... I think he is lucky to have gone through that stage a little early. If he had gone through that stage in say 2008-2010 period, who knows we may not have played in the WC .... As they say, "form is temporary and class is permanent"

Well that might be true for batsmen who have played for prolonged periods but none of the batsmen named by SRTno1closetfan have done enough for that, though Sanga is getting closed. For example, Hussey averaged more than 70 at one time but than cannot be used for judging him. Similarly. Ponting and Dravid are exactly what they are worth And you talk about Sachin's "stage" as if its constant for all batsmen. Not everyone is a Sachin or a Dravid, no other batsman has come back from such a dip in form

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[CSK Fan]

No. Case in point SRT averages lesser than VS, VVS and RD in wins over a fifteen year span which proves it is a myth that SRT somehow needs to be numero uno for India to win. That England tour loss was a direct affect of VS, VVS and SRT all jointly failing with the bat and bowlers breaking down by the dozen. So no SRT's failure alone did not co-relate directly to losing the No.1 Test ranking after that England series defeat.

Good, so finally you agree that win and loss are a joint effort and not dedicated to one batsman. But you still keep on harping about winning averages. Dravid scores a 100 and kumble takes 5 wickets. Sachin scores one and Kumble goes for run. But hey Dravid's inning is more valuable. I know I have brought stats here in reply to other posts but IMHO Talking about team results while comparing players = lack of IQ and common sense

[ganeshran]

Badan eater can only repeat his taglines :(( May be the badam is in short supply :hysterical: Let's cheer "badam, badam, badam ....." .... someone will pop out a few

Keep trying. By 2021 you will manage to come up with a half decent comeback :cantstop:

[SachDan]

You don't even understand the difference between International cricket and FC cricket :facepalm:

:cantstop:

[zen]

Well that might be true for batsmen who have played for prolonged periods but none of the batsmen named by SRTno1closetfan have done enough for that, though Sanga is getting closed. For example, Hussey averaged more than 70 at one time but than cannot be used for judging him. Similarly. Ponting and Dravid are exactly what they are worth And you talk about Sachin's "stage" as if its constant for all batsmen. Not everyone is a Sachin or a Dravid, no other batsman has come back from such a dip in form

We are taking about those who have proven themselves and considered to be amongst the greats Brian Charles Lara :winky:

[zen]

Keep trying. By 2021 you will manage to come up with a half decent comeback :cantstop:

Will your badam supplies last till then :P