PK or Sree??

[Rahul Dravid]

i think this answer is answered... PK has the heart to play test cricket.

[Pagalpanti]

i think this answer is answered... PK has the heart to play test cricket.

Bigger heart than Afridi? :cantstop:

[Fontaine]

That's one of the points that w/o Zak, Ind cannot consistely hope to bowl sides out .... Which is why we need to play guys like Sree, who can atleast turn the game on their day (with or without Zak). Their bad performance are not that further away from decent performances by the likes of PK as in the end neither will help Ind win a session or put them into a dominating position against good test sides. On the other hand, a good performance by Sree = advantage Ind, a good perfo by avg test bowlers like PK = damage control at best If trundlers, who could swing the ball = good test bowlers then Irfan Pathan would still be playing. The problem with Sree haters is that in their blind hate, the imagine Sree to be going for runs and even a spell of 40 overs for 100 runs seems to them like a good deal and if that guy happens to take a 5-er on top, they feel as if Ind have found a decent option

Except Sreesanth has only run through a side what twice? And both times in South Africa in over 4 years of test match cricket, so none of what you're saying about Sreesanth is actually normally, sometimes, or even seldom the case. Only on rare occasions, and so far only in South Africa.

[CSK Fan]

. On the other hand' date= a good performance by Sree = advantage Ind, a good perfo by avg test bowlers like PK = damage control at best If trundlers, who could swing the ball = good test bowlers then Irfan Pathan would still be playing. The problem with Sree haters is that in their blind hate, the imagine Sree to be going for runs and even a spell of 40 overs for 100 runs seems to them like a good deal and if that guy happens to take a 5-er on top, they feel as if Ind have found a decent option All trudlers have similar fate. Even the great Kapil Dev, when he lost his pace in the last few years of his career couldn't do much despite all his skills .... and people like you want to bet on PK because he happened to do well in a game against the helpless WI and had a lucky day at Lords :hysterical: ............................................................................................................................................0

Completely wrong! The reason PK's good performance was not effective at Lord's was becasue we only had two working seamers not because of his own lack of prowess, Its similar to Dravid's 100 being in a lost cause because no other batsmen stood up. As for Sree taking a 5-fer how many has he taken in his career? You make it seem like he does it every other game. PK has a bettter average and strike rate than Sree which makes me think he is a better wicket taker than SREE

[Fontaine]

To understand what's being implied, you need to ask yourself "do you think PK will run through a good test side and change a session for Ind?" If the answer is "No", there is no point in trying to suggest that PK should be chosen over someone like Sree, who can win games for India

That is a completely asanine question. You're comparing a guy who just finished playing his 4th test match to someone who's been playing test cricket for over 4 years and trying to make a subjective judgement on who's the better performer. :hysterical: No one is saying PK is a world class bowler, he can run through a side, can dominate the opposition etc etc. 1. He deserves credit for what he's accomplished so far. 2. He's expected to improve once he gets more experience and learns. To downplay his contributions so far is as stupid as saying Sreesanth can run through a side etc etc when he rarely, rarely does that. In your opinion Sreesanth is the better bowler? Fine. That doesn't mean you call PK lucky, a trundler and discredit his performances when he's clearly beating the bat consistently and getting more wickets than the likes of other medium pacers when they started their careers. Oh and one final thing: IF Sreesanth is so much better than PK then LET HIM PROVE IT, let's see Sreesanth secure a test position by being more fitter, more disciplined, and potent in getting more wickets than Praveen. If he can't then the reality is that over a dozen people who know far more about cricket agree that Praveen get's his place on merit (which he already did in the 1st test) over Sreesanth and none of your nonsensical arguments can change that. For years Sreesanth just walked into the team without having to prove himself against competition. Now that Praveen/Munaf are there to fight for the same spot, let's see if Sreesanth is up to the challenge? We've already seen a glimpse of how seriously he takes his test selection when he was busy touring with his band, showed up in the warm up match with a fat gut. If that's the way he's going to compete to win selection over PK/Munaf then the little donkey can piss off.

[Crookbond]

That is a completely asanine question. You're comparing a guy who just finished playing his 4th test match to someone who's been playing test cricket for over 4 years and trying to make a subjective judgement on who's the better performer. :hysterical: No one is saying PK is a world class bowler, he can run through a side, can dominate the opposition etc etc. 1. He deserves credit for what he's accomplished so far. 2. He's expected to improve once he gets more experience and learns. To downplay his contributions so far is as stupid as saying Sreesanth can run through a side etc etc when he rarely, rarely does that. In your opinion Sreesanth is the better bowler? Fine. That doesn't mean you call PK lucky, a trundler and discredit his performances when he's clearly beating the bat consistently and getting more wickets than the likes of other medium pacers when they started their careers. Oh and one final thing: IF Sreesanth is so much better than PK then LET HIM PROVE IT, let's see Sreesanth secure a test position by being more fitter, more disciplined, and potent in getting more wickets than Praveen. If he can't then the reality is that over a dozen people who know far more about cricket agree that Praveen get's his place on merit (which he already did in the 1st test) over Sreesanth and none of your nonsensical arguments can change that. For years Sreesanth just walked into the team without having to prove himself against competition. Now that Praveen/Munaf are there to fight for the same spot, let's see if Sreesanth is up to the challenge? We've already seen a glimpse of how seriously he takes his test selection when he was busy touring with his band, showed up in the warm up match with a fat gut. If that's the way he's going to compete to win selection over PK/Munaf then the little donkey can piss off.

Nice post. :angelic:

[daryl1985]

Except Sreesanth has only run through a side what twice? And both times in South Africa in over 4 years of test match cricket, so none of what you're saying about Sreesanth is actually normally, sometimes, or even seldom the case. Only on rare occasions, and so far only in South Africa.

He also took a good 5 wicket haul in his comeback match against Sri Lanka at Kanpur. However, i do agree with you, his match winning contributions have been too few.

[CSK Fan]

Anyways, it looks likely that both will play in the next test. We can compare their performances then

[bihutoli]

rett has completely lost it. I won't be surprised if he is Sreeshant himself. I used to be a Sree proponent myself, but PK has convinced me that he brings something to the table in India's seam attack ahead of Sree. If he only manages to gain a little speed. However both Sree and PK will be playing the next match and we'll all see who fares better.

[Fontaine]

He also took a good 5 wicket haul in his comeback match against Sri Lanka at Kanput. However' date=' i do agree with you, his match winning contributions have been too few.[/quote'] Fair enough. He deserves credit for that one too.

[Fontaine]

Anyways' date=' it looks likely that both will play in the next test. We can compare their performances then[/quote'] Sreesanth is far more experienced and probably has more natural talent than PK so one should expect Sree to outperform him by miles. The issue is that so far, PK has played up to his limited potential which is good enough in swinging conditions to get wickets, but Sree simply hasn't. Going back for years bowling coaches have said the same thing to Sree which is to improve his work habits, concentrate on the job rather than getting carried away because he rarely applies himself and plays up to his potential. Honestly, I expect nothing from Sreesanth. With Zaheer out and India under pressure against a good batting lineup, this is exactly the kind of high pressure situation where Sreesanth folds like a cheap house of cards. It's going to be up to PK and Ishant once again, while the team has to carry impotent and experienced bowlers like Bhajji and Sree.

[Holysmoke]

The basic difference between PK and sree is On a good day, PK will be 5/60 after 24 overs, sree will be 5/23 after 9 overs. On a bad day PK will be 0/60 off 24 overs while sree will be 0/120 off 12 overs. Problem is, Sree has too many bad days.

[zen]

Overtyping PK and taking a dig at Sree, a better test bowler, continues as expected :giggle: We see threads like why Ind cannot produce fast bowlers? Why do you have to bowl fast, reverse or create awkward bounce, when you can get into a test side by just swinging the new ball and bowling economically. Bhajji has forgotten about bowling variety, flighting, etc and now the trundlers have to just swing and bowl line and length to get in. No wonder, trundlers galore in Ind One just has to see PK bowl to see if he is test material. He is probably Wasim Jaffar, who has some good performances to boast too, of bowlers. :P

[CSK Fan]

Just swinging the ball? Lol, how many bowlers in the history of cricket could 'just' swing the ball both ways on any pitch? So Rett, who do you think will bowl better next match, Sree or PK?

[Fontaine]

Overtyping PK and taking a dig at Sree, a better test bowler, continues as expected :giggle: We see threads like why Ind cannot produce fast bowlers? Why do you have to bowl fast, reverse or create awkward bounce, when you can get into a test side by just swinging the new ball and bowling economically. Bhajji has forgotten about bowling variety, flighting, etc and now the trundlers have to just swing and bowl line and length to get in. No wonder, trundlers galore in Ind One just has to see PK bowl to see if he is test material. He is probably Wasim Jaffar, who has some good performances to boast too, of bowlers. :P

This is just stupid. If it's so easy to be a trundler and "just swing and bowl line and length" then why is it that your love bunny Sreesanth can't do it consistently? If it's so easy to swing the ball both ways and bowl a good line/length why hasn't Sree done it consistently. For that matter why didn't James Anderson for the majority of his early career, or Zaheer Khan, etc etc? I really hope Praveen Kumar continues to be just a trundler who can swing the ball on a good line/length because that's gotten him 18 wickets in 4 test matches across completely different conditions at an average of 23 and strike of 56. Any bowler in the world would give their left testicle to have those kind of numbers.

[Fontaine]

Just swinging the ball? Lol' date=' how many bowlers in the history of cricket could 'just' swing the ball both ways on any pitch? So Rett, who do you think will bowl better next match, Sree or PK?[/quote'] This clown doesn't realize that most batsmen learn to pick the swing from the bowler's hand, but with Praveen they can't because it goes both ways with very little change. A guy like PK needs to be encouraged, developed to continue to get better. It's taken the likes of Zaheer Khan/Jimmy Anderson most of their careers to be consistently accurate and still swing the ball. PK seems to do it at will at just the start of his career. There's no doubt PK needs to improve from his strength/speed to learning the nuances of the game but he's off to a fantastic start. And you were right all along dude, when many doubted whether PK would even survive past his first test, especially with the older ball, you never doubted him.

[zen]

Just swinging the ball? Lol' date=' how many bowlers in the history of cricket could 'just' swing the ball both ways on any pitch? So Rett, who do you think will bowl better next match, Sree or PK?[/quote'] I thought it is understood that 'just swing the ball' vs those who can not only swing but do a lot more :winky: In seamer friendly conditions both should do well, but Sree could be more effective and a possible watch winner :icflove:

[zen]

This is just stupid. If it's so easy to be a trundler and "just swing and bowl line and length" then why is it that your love bunny Sreesanth can't do it consistently? If it's so easy to swing the ball both ways and bowl a good line/length why hasn't Sree done it consistently. For that matter why didn't James Anderson for the majority of his early career, or Zaheer Khan, etc etc? I really hope Praveen Kumar continues to be just a trundler who can swing the ball on a good line/length because that's gotten him 18 wickets in 4 test matches across completely different conditions at an average of 23 and strike of 56. Any bowler in the world would give their left testicle to have those kind of numbers.

The point is that if Sree would have played in WI and gets a full series in Eng, he would have better numbers then a trundler like PK Unless, you don't realize the basic point being made, you will keep coming up with such dumb posts

[zen]

This clown doesn't realize that most batsmen learn to pick the swing from the bowler's hand, but with Praveen they can't because it goes both ways with very little change. A guy like PK needs to be encouraged, developed to continue to get better. It's taken the likes of Zaheer Khan/Jimmy Anderson most of their careers to be consistently accurate and still swing the ball. PK seems to do it at will at just the start of his career. There's no doubt PK needs to improve from his strength/speed to learning the nuances of the game but he's off to a fantastic start. And you were right all along dude, when many doubted whether PK would even survive past his first test, especially with the older ball, you never doubted him.

Is this a serious post? Appears as if we have found a new Richard Hadlee in PK .... Bowling in tests is not about just bowling in the first session. And we all saw how difficult he was to pick on day 1, when Zak was doing all the hard work .... and in the 2nd innings, he was not even as economical as Bhajji :P Sure, trudlers need to be encouraged because fast bowlers go for runs in tests :hysterical: PK comedy show :yay:

[daryl1985]

The point is that if Sree would have played in WI and gets a full series in Eng' date= he would have better numbers then a trundler like PK Unless, you don't realize the basic point being made, you will keep coming up with such dumb posts

Do you really believe that Sreesanth would have produced consistently in 3 tests. As much as i like Sreesanth and feel that he has great potential, he is an enigma and struggles badly for consistency. Praveen Kumar is very consistent, swings the ball both ways at will and has superb control. On top of that he has very good stamina and can bowl long spells.