Yoda-esque Posted July 11, 2011 Posted July 11, 2011 i didnt accuse them of pussies' date=' but its a known fact that our team lacks killer instinct esp with people like laxman and dravid.[/quote'] I mean are you a cricket fan at all ? Dravid and Laxman are the last two ppl you should accuse of not having guts.....
Blue Panther Posted July 11, 2011 Posted July 11, 2011 Jesus ****ing christ - there is a limit to everything. Laxman and Dravid have played the sort of innings in Test cricket that you can only dream of. yes, but last night they were like tuk... tuk. tuk...grrrrr:((
Blue Panther Posted July 11, 2011 Posted July 11, 2011 I mean are you a cricket fan at all ? Dravid and Laxman are the last two ppl you should accuse of not having guts..... They sent raina when they wanted to chase, and they sent dravid and laxman to draw the match.talk abt killer instinct of laxman and dravid :((
Blue Panther Posted July 11, 2011 Posted July 11, 2011 Disappointing and meek surrender by Dhoni to call off game. India call them best batting line up and were afraid to go for the target. No wonder all neutral fans have a beef with India number 1 rank and consider their top spot as an eye sore. WI of 80s' date='[b']Pakistan of 90s and Aus of 2000s would have gone for the target and finished the series on a high. :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: if pakistan's 90s is a great team, then how did they managed to lose to zimbabwe in a home series?:hysterical::hysterical:
Blue Panther Posted July 11, 2011 Posted July 11, 2011 Duncan fletcher defends abondoned chase..!! It is a sign of the times that India not pressing for a Test win and remaining content with a 1-0 series victory becomes raging news. Not long ago, India's supporters would have lapped up the series win with glee. The times, they are a-changing. Of course, not long ago, India weren't the No.1 team in the world. On Sunday, ESPNcricinfo's commentary feedback was filled with angry emails, raging against the decision to give up the chase in Dominica. "Shame on India. Black day for cricket," screamed one. "Calling off a Test match needing 86 runs off 90 balls looks crazy to me," said another. Fire was raging in India. Peace and joy in Babylon. And so curiosity prevailed at the press conference to see the Indian team's reply to that criticism. Duncan Fletcher, India's coach, turned up. And he decided to counterattack. He got increasingly irritated with the constant questioning. Surely he expected it? Two minutes into the conference, Fletcher was beginning to steam. "I said it before. It [run-scoring on that pitch] was difficult. Once it got to four or five runs per over we were struggling to score. We were struggling to score three runs per over. The side decided it was difficult to get those runs and thought what's the point in going there and ending up maybe with just one side able to win it." Three and half minutes into it, he was fed up. "Huh ... I have covered it. I have been repeating myself the whole time. I have told you it was difficult to score runs. If a man on 40 is struggling to score at three runs an over, how can you expect someone to go in there and knock five or six runs an over?" His reaction wouldn't have surprised many. When he coached England, the local press called him Mr. Grumpy. How he manages the media shouldn't be an issue; how he manages the Indian team is the real deal, and by the perception you get from talking to players, he has started off on a fine note. Still, the abandoned chase rankled many. Duncan Fletcher: "How is someone who goes in there meant to suddenly start scoring five runs per over?" © Associated Press Enlarge He offered explanations for giving up. The chief reason according to him was the pitch. It was a difficult track to score runs on. It wasn't hard to stay in there but apparently it was tough to get moving, especially for the new batsmen. The fall of Suresh Raina sealed it for the team. "Once Raina was sent in he found it very difficult. He had gone there as the left-hander to take on the legspin bowler. But it was turning straightaway; they block off one side and it's always difficult to chase four runs an over in a Test match because you can do what you like with the field; there are no fielding limitations, and the most important thing was the wicket was very slow. Once it's so slow you can't play your shots, and that's a huge advantage for the bowling side. Unless there was some real bad bowling it was difficult to score." Raina played 18 deliveries and scored eight runs. There were no boundaries. Fletcher said that more than his dismissal, the fact that he was unable to score during his stay was what decided the matter for them. "If he had gone in there and hit a couple of boundaries and then got out we would have said let's keep going because it's easy to score runs. Even Rahul [Dravid] said it wasn't easy to score runs." The feeling one got was that perhaps someone like Virat Kohli could have been sent in ahead of VVS Laxman and asked to have a go. Kohli had had a poor series and there was nothing to lose. He would, perhaps, have cherished the opportunity to get out there, make a name for himself and get some confidence. There is this other thought that's prevalent in the Indian fans' minds. Shouldn't the world's No.1 team go out there and make a statement? Wouldn't Australia at their prime have gone for it? "Well, you don't think we made a statement here?", Fletcher responded when the question was put to him. "I think we made a statement. We came here with four top players missing - Sehwag, Gambhir, Tendulkar and Zaheer - and we have won 1-0; I think that's quite a statement. We are not sitting back on it, because at the end of the day we would have liked to have won 4-1 in the ODIs and 2-0 in the Tests. And that could have happened in Barbados. We have to look at this one and say this was a tough one to win. In Barbados, with another half an hour, if the bad light hadn't come in I think we could have won. "I just think that when you look back at the pessimism with which people reacted when this side was selected, winning three series is great achievement." Fletcher said he was happy with the series as a whole and there were many positives to emerge. "This series has been very good. Some youngsters were given an opportunity and especially the bowlers. Ishant Sharma winning the Man of the Series has shown a lot of promise. Unfortunately for Munaf, he had to sit out the first two Tests and it was very hard to ask him to come here, and a bloke like PK would have obviously found it very difficult with this very slow wicket and it didn't really swing. From a bowling point of view they should have learnt a lot and hopefully they have. "Only thing is, it would have been nice if some of the batsmen had got some runs but it was good at the end of the day that all the batsmen got runs at some stage and that is very good for the England series." Fletcher said the experience would be immensely beneficial to the young batsmen. "Just to be involved with the legends like Rahul Dravid and Laxman will only do them good. It was very difficult for them." He turned avuncular for a moment and showed great understanding and sympathy for the likes of Virat Kohli, M Vijay, S Badrinath. "It's more difficult for young Indian cricketers than anyone else because they are given such limited opportunity and they have to try and replace these great players. They just put pressure on themselves and you can't stop putting that kind of pressure on yourself. You know you just get one or two opportunities and it will affect you. Hopefully they have learnt the mental side of things and it will do them some good." Just don't ask him about the chase, though. http://www.espncricinfo.com/west-indies-v-india-2011/content/story/522606.html I can c lot of differences btwn kristen and duncan. This guy wants to stay in the limelight, doesnt he?:giggle:
rahulrulezz Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 The final day was a great chance for Dhoni to prove that he is the bestest captain for India...sadly he threw it away... on a personal note, I was disgusted by the approach of Dravid and how Dhoni didnt even bother chasing in last 15 overs.... This match was a perfect proof that we are not the world champions who can put terror in opposition minds like Australia or WI
TheWall Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 i didnt accuse them of pussies' date=' but its a known fact that our team lacks killer instinct esp with people like laxman and dravid.[/quote'] U blind dumbo - if Lax n dravid wasn't there India would have lost the 1st n 2nd test.... show ur hatred in ur other forum...:finger::finger::finger:
Blue Panther Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 U blind dumbo - if Lax n dravid wasn't there India would have lost the 1st n 2nd test.... show ur hatred in ur other forum...:finger::finger::finger: y dont u answer me y laxman and dravid are not considered as good one day and t 20 players? i am talking abt aggressive approach u dumbo. its obvious they sent raina when they wanted to chase and they sent laxman and dravid to draw the match. i suspect u r one of the green passion.:finger::finger::finger:
punjabi_khota Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 y dont u answer me y laxman and dravid are not considered as good one day and t 20 players? i am talking abt aggressive approach u dumbo. its obvious they sent raina when they wanted to chase and they sent laxman and dravid to draw the match. i suspect u r one of the green passion.:finger::finger::finger: :hysterical: ********* , Dravid scored 10000 runs in ODIs.
Blue Panther Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 :hysterical: ********* ' date=' Dravid scored 10000 runs in ODIs.[/quote'] so why sachin is in odi team and dravid is not?: i am talking abt the current form-:--D
DeepFineLeg Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 :hysterical: ********* ' date=' Dravid scored 10000 runs in ODIs.[/quote'] A strike rate of 71 (Dravid's) just ain't good enough in ODIs even if it comes with a 39 avg. Teams are no longer scoring around 210-220 in ODIs - a 70 strike rate is more suited for those kind of scores (just calculate). These days scores closer to 270-300 are expected off top teams. Those require players striking at 90-100, not 70. Dravid just isn't suited for that.
yoda Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 A strike rate of 71 (Dravid's) just ain't good enough in ODIs even if it comes with a 39 avg. Teams are no longer scoring around 210-220 in ODIs - a 70 strike rate is more suited for those kind of scores (just calculate). These days scores closer to 270-300 are expected off top teams. Those require players striking at 90-100' date= not 70. Dravid just isn't suited for that.http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65268.html His SR in that game chasing 270 odd? 57 Value of that innings? Priceless Now let's get back to test cricket. Were you guys born yesterday? :finger:
DeepFineLeg Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Were you guys born yesterday? :finger: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65268.html His SR in that game chasing 270 odd? 57 Value of that innings? Priceless Now let's get back to test cricket. Well, if a strike rate of 57 would consistently win matches, Dravid would be an ODI legend. Exceptions don't make a rule. And finally, grow up out of your blind faith!
yoda Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Well, if a strike rate of 57 would consistently win matches, Dravid would be an ODI legend. Exceptions don't make a rule. And finally, grow up out of your blind faith! Dude, that example was given to tell you that Dravid's role in ODIs depended on the match situation. Even his low SR ODI innings have been valuable. Now lets get back to test cricket.
DeepFineLeg Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Dude, that example was given to tell you that Dravid's role in ODIs depended on the match situation. Even his low SR ODI innings have been valuable. Now lets get back to test cricket. Facts are facts. Poll 100 neutral people who follow cricket and know a bit about it and ask them if they consider Dravid a good ODI cricketer. And don't tell me what I should or should not discuss unless you are the moderator.
yoda Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Facts are facts. Poll 100 neutral people who follow cricket and know a bit about it and ask them if they consider Dravid a good ODI cricketer. The fact is that he has played over 300 ODIs for India at ~40 avg and ~70 SR. If he wasn't good enough, he wouldn't have lasted that long. And don't tell me what I should or should not discuss unless you are the moderator. No I am not the moderator and no I am not telling what you should or should not discuss. It is common courtesy to expect people to stick to the topic of a thread without digressing too much. Since you are new to the site I though I would just nudge you in that direction. Feel free to discuss unrelated formats in any thread. :finger:
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