J P K Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 ROSEAU, ( DOMINICA): Indian skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni might be content with it but off-spinner Harbhajan Singh finds it incomprehensible that West Indies managed to force a draw in the third and final Test. "I took four but could have had six or seven. That's fate," rued Harbhajan even as the two centurions, Kirk Edwards and Shivnarine Chanderpaul, acknowledged the perennial threat the off-spinner posed on a flat track. Chanderpaul was twice dropped by Rahul Dravid in the slips and at least thrice Edwards popped chances to which the close-in cordon reacted late. India drew the final Test after deciding to abandon what looked like an exciting chase despite having seven wickets in hand to take the series 1-0 A little luck would have been in complete conformity with Harbhajan's rising graph on foreign pitches. Starting 2009, Harbhajan took 16 wickets from three Tests in New Zealand with the best of 6-63 in Hamilton and an average of 21.38. Last year, he had 7 for 120 at Newlands against a formidable South African batting line-up. In all, he finished with 15 wickets at 29.60 from three Tests. For all his criticism in the Caribbean, his figures of 11 wickets at 25.36 in a seamer-dominated series isn't bad. For critics, it's his average of 37.40 plus in 44 Tests for a haul of 146 wickets on foreign pitches which proves he is only good on helpful Indian pitches. "It's a strange logic, on one hand you blame our batsmen for thriving on flat sub-continent pitches. Yet, when I take wickets on those very flat pitches, nobody credits me," said Harbhajan. It's the same argument with which critics slammed Anil Kumble before the 2004 trip to Australia changed the perception. He too was deemed to flourish only on sub-continental pitches and nobody was yet willing to term him great before he started picking up wickets regularly abroad. "I too have succumbed to this constant nonsense. I tried to bowl this classical loop, flighting it on the off-stump and trying to open up that gap between the bat and pad of a right-hander. "It was in the Centurion Test of the last series against South Africa. Batsmen could slog-sweep without worrying on LBW since their front foot was outside the off-stump. Even the off-side field was easily manipulated. Jacques Kallis got a double century. Hashim Amla could score at will. "I am thankful to what Ravi (Shastri) bhai then advised me. He asked me to look to bowl at the off-stump or the fourth stump, keep a widish mid-off and midwicket. If the batsmen tried to push it between bowler and mid-off, he could offer a return catch. If he tried to lap it on the onside, there was midwicket. The entire field could move with the batsman. "It worked brilliantly. I got 7 for 120 in the next Test. Amla, in both the remaining Tests." Not easily remembered is his 4 for 10 from seven-odd overs in the Durban Test. It gave India levers of advantage in the game even after scoring 205 in the first innings. They ended up winning the Test. "Classical spinners operated in eras when batsmen were not scooping, slogging or reverse sweeping. Today, hitting over the top is a norm. Bats are so much meatier. Teams don't make 200 runs in a day any longer. "Another factor no longer remembered is that visiting batsmen are not afraid of spin in the sub-continent. They travel so much to our part of the world, be it as a member of the A teams; the ever-increasing number of series; the exposure in IPL. They are getting better at handling spin all the time." Harbhajan concedes he could have got his 400 wickets in 85-86 Tests but for the two "black" years in 2006 and 2007 under the stewardship of Australian coach Greg Chappell. "Those two years were terrible. I was never ever comfortable. You were made to feel you were no good; you constantly felt under surveillance." For records sake, Harbhajan picked up 49 wickets from 14 Tests while Chappell was turning heat on his purge programs. It was much below his career average of four wickets per Test. The spotlight is now firmly on the India-England series, starting in just over a week's time with the first Test at Lord's, the 2000th Test overall and the 100th between the two nations. There is also a hyped up confrontation between Harbhajan and Graeme Swann for their different yet highly successful bowling styles. "I find it strange that it's me who has to prove against all new off-spinners when it should be the other way around. If lasting 13 years in international cricket was that easy, you would have had dozens and not a mere four spinners in the 400-plus list. "Having said that, it would of interest to me to see how Swann turns up against our batting greats." And how he himself would bowl to the likes of Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and VVS Laxman? "They all are different. Against Sachin, I would like to plug his run-scoring areas - the whip through onside; the paddle sweep, the late cut he imparts against full pitched deliveries. Fields for Dravid and Laxman would also be different." Harbhajan then casts his mind at the England venues where four Tests between the two teams would be played, starting July 21. "Lord's can be flat; and so could be Oval. The latter, if it helps spinners, could be a difficult venue for the batters because of the bounce in the pitch. Nottingham usually provides early nip. It could have something for the bowlers even on the last day. I haven't played a Test in Edgbaston (Birmingham) yet." India have lost four of their five Tests in Edgbaston. However, they have won a Test each at Lord's, Oval and Trent Bridge. Headingley is the only venue where India has won twice - in 1986 and 2002. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournaments/india-in-west-indies/top-stories/Dominica-draw-rankles-Harbhajan-Singh/articleshow/9194785.cms
riwi999 Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 The article talks about 2 chanced dropped by Dravid. I would just like to put the second chance in perspective. This is what cricinfo has to say: 100.4 Harbhajan Singh to Chanderpaul, 2 runs, another outside edge, turn and bounce from outside leg, Chanders survives, Dravid lunges to his left at slip, the ball just eludes him, Chanders scampers back and moves to 99 This is what it does not say, but somebody watching the game (like me) noticed: - Bhajji was bowling really well at that time, putting huge pressure on the batsmen. - Chanderpaul was very nervous and edgy, being very close to his 100 (he was on 97) - The West Indies lead was about 120 with 2 wickets in hand, logic would suggest that Dhoni should have kept a very attacking field, crowding the batsman and forcing him to try to take a risk or else edge it to the close-in field. - And here's the shocker - Dhoni had ONE close-in fielder, at slip. That was Dravid. Not even a second slip, not even a silly point for the Chanderpaul defensive nudge. - As expected, Chanderpaul defensively pushed at it, edging it just past a Dravid diving to his left, just missing his outstretched left hand. It was a very difficult chance for a first slip, it would have been a straightforward chance for a second slip. Somebody needs to explain to me why a captain who is in a commanding position in a game, with no chance of losing it, who needs just 2 wickets to wrap up the innings, who has a batsman batting on 97, who has an experienced bowler bowling really well and getting tremendous turn and bounce, whose stock delivery to the lefthander would be the ball leaving him outside his off-stump...why would a captain keep only ONE close-in fielder on the offside? The cricinfo commentary does not do full justice to what happened, so I feel the need to elaborate.
Sachinism Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 The article talks about 2 chanced dropped by Dravid. I would just like to put the second chance in perspective. This is what cricinfo has to say: 100.4 Harbhajan Singh to Chanderpaul, 2 runs, another outside edge, turn and bounce from outside leg, Chanders survives, Dravid lunges to his left at slip, the ball just eludes him, Chanders scampers back and moves to 99 This is what it does not say, but somebody watching the game (like me) noticed: - Bhajji was bowling really well at that time, putting huge pressure on the batsmen. - Chanderpaul was very nervous and edgy, being very close to his 100 (he was on 97) - The West Indies lead was about 120 with 2 wickets in hand, logic would suggest that Dhoni should have kept a very attacking field, crowding the batsman and forcing him to try to take a risk or else edge it to the close-in field. - And here's the shocker - Dhoni had ONE close-in fielder, at slip. That was Dravid. Not even a second slip, not even a silly point for the Chanderpaul defensive nudge. - As expected, Chanderpaul defensively pushed at it, edging it just past a Dravid diving to his left, just missing his outstretched left hand. It was a very difficult chance for a first slip, it would have been a straightforward chance for a second slip. Somebody needs to explain to me why a captain who is in a commanding position in a game, with no chance of losing it, who needs just 2 wickets to wrap up the innings, who has a batsman batting on 97, who has an experienced bowler bowling really well and getting tremendous turn and bounce, whose stock delivery to the lefthander would be the ball leaving him outside his off-stump...why would a captain keep only ONE close-in fielder on the offside? The cricinfo commentary does not do full justice to what happened, so I feel the need to elaborate. He gave Bhaji plenty of fielders around the bat for many overs, Bhaji didn't deliver and was being picked off, he can't keep them there
riwi999 Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Chanderpaul was very edgy at that time, especially since he was very close to his hundred. The situation clearly demanded more fielders around the bat. Bhajji was bowling very well, Dhoni should have backed his bowler by giving him an attacking field. India needed a wicket, more than saving the boundary.
J P K Posted July 12, 2011 Author Posted July 12, 2011 ^^ i thought bhajji set his own field :secret:
Pagalpanti Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 They were getting easy singles, Dhoni had to make sure the lead didn't go up too soon. It looks pretty easy to tell now as to what he should have done but during that situation he did what he felt right, go easy on him. He won us a world cup while whole world was laughing at our bowling attack. And since 2008 we haven't lost a test series.
Yoda-esque Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 The good thing is that he has admittted that he isnt playing his best.That is the first step to improvement.
pensionplan Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 The good thing is that he has admittted that he isnt playing his best.That is the first step to improvement.or retirement depending on how one looks at it. :-)
punjabi_khota Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 or retirement depending on how one looks at it. :-) Funny ? :headshake: You will retire from this forum before he retires from cricket. :nice:
singhprakash72 Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 No complaints from Bhajji in this test especially 2nd innings he did bowl a lively spell ..but for butter fingers and a Wussy captain. But he needs to reinvent himself to become a strike bowler, at present he is a stock bowler who struggles to get 5wkts in an innings. More than that he should be able to run through the opposition.
Blue Panther Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 where is the doosra man? y cant he bowl it when the pakistanis are bowling it with ease?
Yoda-esque Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 or retirement depending on how one looks at it. :-) Well I was going to say retirement when I read that hes planning to target 600 wkts..:nervous:
Karan114 Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 where is the doosra man? y cant he bowl it when the pakistanis are bowling it with ease? Aa gaya na apni asliyat pe :cantstop:
Cricket Tragic Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Chris Broad was the ref for this series, right? That might explain why he didn't bowl it at all.
Yoda-esque Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Aa gaya na apni asliyat pe :cantstop: Hes shown his hand (finally!):winky:
Blue Panther Posted July 12, 2011 Posted July 12, 2011 Aa gaya na apni asliyat pe :cantstop: oh boy, its not rocket science to know that pakis are bowling doosra at ease. even hafeez bowls it and it pisses me off when bhajji struggles to do. Lol, its funny that u guy think that i am a paki. :cantstop:
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