DRS to be used, but not for lbw decisions

[J P K]

Bridgetown (Barbados): The Indian cricket team has given a thumbs up to the Decision Review System (DRS) in its revised form which makes the ball-tracker technology optional in bilateral series. "It`s so good that the tracker system has been done away with. It was the tracker system which was the bone of contention for us," said a senior member of the side after the team practice on yesterday. In the ICC Executive Committee meeting in Hong Kong, the usage of UDRS was made mandatory for both Tests and one-dayers across all countries. However, the decision was made with a rider: the ball tracker system -- a technology which measures the progress of a delivery after it leaves the hand of a bowler -- is not mandatory. It implies that if a country disagrees, the UDRS will be used without the tracker technology in a bilateral series. Thus the UDRS system without the tracker technology will be used in India-England series beginning next month. The present series between India and the West Indies is being played without the UDRS system. The cricketer explained why the Indian team and BCCI were resistant to the tracker system of the UDRS. "The tracker system has an inherent flaw. First, the cameras are not exactly in a straight line behind the umpire. Two, the height of delivery after pitching can never be accurately measured by technology.†"Strong wind, change of pace, the uneven bounce can all cause major difference to the height of a delivery when it reaches stumps.†"And, by the way, what`s the guarantee that a producer monitoring the tracking system hasn`t fiddled with the system on his own?" questioned the cricketer. The cricketer cited Sachin Tendulkar`s "dismissal" at Mohali in the World Cup semi-finals against Pakistan earlier this month as an example of how the system can go wrong. Tendulkar was first ruled out leg-before-wicket to Saeed Ajmal but when the batsman asked for a review, the UDRS showed the delivery to be missing the leg-stump by the thinnest of margins. "Many who saw the replays were not convinced that Sachin wasn`t out. Even though it benefitted us, it was clear the technology was flawed. Producers who manage the tracker system can make an error judgment.†"The technology might be good but we have to remember that it`s a man who operates it. And so it`s back to human element. In such a scenario, it was better that on-field umpires made decisions and not a technology which wasn`t fool-proof." The current modification in the rules state that hot-spot and stump microphone will now be used to make clear judgment on nicks. A nick, or the lack of it, can now be ascertained by eye as well as ear. For example in the first Test in Jamaica, even cricket expert Ian Bishop acknowledged that Suresh Raina, Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Virat Kohli were wrongly given out and a snickometer or hot-spot could have ruled out the decisions. The UDRS in its modified form will help eliminate wrong bat-pad decisions. It will not be a help in the lbw decisions because the tracker system has now been done away with. http://zeenews.india.com/cricket/fullstory.aspx?nid=39205

[ahilya]

Shame that DRS won't be available for India series: Swann

Shame that DRS won't be available for India series: Swann

London, July 19 (IANS) England off-spinner Graeme Swann said it is a shame that the umpires' Decision Review System (DRS) would not be available for decision making in the forthcoming four-match Test series between India and England. Swann, a big beneficiary of the DRS, backed the controversial Hawk-Eye technology, which has been strongly opposed by the powerful Indian cricket board. The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) strongly objected to Hawk-Eye during the ICC's executive board meeting in Hong Kong last month. Umpires will now be left to themselves to track the path of the ball before the point of impact while judging LBWs. Asked if it was a conspiracy so that he doesn't benefit from DRS, Swann said: 'I doubt it is a conspiracy.' 'It is just one of those things which the Indians have been opposing right from the outset. It has been their tradition all over the world and I think people at Lord's will be happy with it. Personally I think it is a good bit of technology. It is improving the work and I think it gets rid of a few glaring errors.' 'It is a shame that it is not being used this summer. I think Hawk-Eye for the first time gave the umpires a lot more chances to review decisions on the front foot LBWs. And now Hawk-Eye coupled with DRS have made the umpires lot more confident about what is hitting and what is not. The standard of umpiring has also improved in the last few years because of the DRS. You see a lot less contentious decisions these days and that is one good thing,' Swann said. 'It is a shame if a Test match gets spoiled due to few bad decisions but the majority of umpires these days are exceptional,' he said. Swann said England have to play some good cricket to snatch the No.1 Test tag from India. 'India by their rights are on top of the world and it is for us to continue playing good cricket. Coming into this summer were third or fourth in the Test rankings and we are moving in the right direction. We have settled down as a team 2-3 years ago and we have plotted our way to the top of the world,' he said. Swann sounded confident that by the end of the summer, England would be No.1. 'It is very simple, we have to win as many Test matches as we can in the series. So far, we have gone the right way doing that. Hopefully at the end of this summer, we would be close if not there,' he said. Swann feels that England's batting is as good as India's. 'They have a very good batting line-up but I think our top six are also good. India have (Sachin) Tendulkar who is the best player we have ever seen in modern cricket. He is the only cricketer who can rival Sir Don (Bradman),' he said. 'But we also have good batsmen, who are in great form like Alastair Cook and Jonathan Trott. These are the two best batsmen at the moment in world cricket. Then we also have Kevin Pietersen, who we all know, will very soon become the best player. We have a good team covering most bases and that is most important,' said Swann.

[saneindian]

DRS is being used bit without Hawk Eye. Shame that Hawk-Eye is not being used: Swann

[Crookbond]

DRS to be used, but not for lbw decisions http://es.pn/nLAu58 A watered-down version of the Decision Review System (DRS) will be used in the England-India series with both sides agreeing to not use the system for lbw decisions. A day before the first Test starts at Lord's, the ICC announced that infra-red technology and stump microphones will be part of the DRS - though not for lbw decisions - but not ball-tracking. This meets the minimum standards for DRS usage stipulated by the ICC at its annual conference last month but the decision to do away with reviews of lbw decisions could lead to anomalies. For example, if a batsman is given out to a bat-pad catch, he can get the verdict reviewed and if it is overturned because there is no bat involved, the fielding side has no recourse to an lbw appeal. An ICC statement said the ECB wanted to include ball-tracking technology (such as Hawk-Eye or Virtual Eye) but the Indian board didn't. "While we are disappointed that the full DRS will not be used to support the umpires, we are pleased that the ECB and BCCI have worked hard to ensure the minimum DRS is used in this much anticipated series," ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat said. "It is common knowledge that the ICC and ECB would have liked ball tracking to have been included so that LBW decisions could have also been reviewed, but the last Chief Executives Committee and Board meeting in Hong Kong agreed to independently confirm the accuracy of ball-tracking technology. This will now take place as a matter of urgency." The Indian board has long been averse to the DRS and had announced last month that it didn't want the system to be used in the England series. A compromise on the DRS was thrashed out at the ICC's annual conference later in the month. The series against England will be the first series India will be using the review system in Tests since 2008.

[mishra]

http://es.pn/nLAu58 The Indian board has long been averse to the DRS and had announced last month that it didn't want the system to be used in the England series. A compromise on the DRS was thrashed out at the ICC's annual conference later in the month. The series against England will be the first series India will be using the review system in Tests since 2008.

:facepalm: still reporters are reporting we are averse. English board is the one who seems to dislike inside edges tested via DRS

[Ultimate_Game]

Don't see much use for the DRS IMO. LBWs decisions are the biggest reason to use DRS and they are not covered in the DRS for the series.

[DeepFineLeg]

I disagree with the stance of the India team/BCCI. How can something that is 97% accurate (predictive component of Hawk eye) be worse than Naked eye decisions (Umpires) - which probably (on avg) are less accurate than that level for sure.

[mishra]

I disagree with the stance of the India team/BCCI. How can something that is 97% accurate (predictive component of Hawk eye) be worse than Naked eye decisions (Umpires) - which probably (on avg) are less accurate than that level for sure.

How can you be 1% sure that trajectory followed by hawkeye is correct one? How can hawkeye predict a possible future event?

[Ultimate_Game]

How can you be 1% sure that trajectory followed by hawkeye is correct one? How can hawkeye predict a possible future event?

You can never be sure of the trajectory no matter what. At the end of the day you have to take a leap of faith whether you trust a system enough. It surely is much better than umpires like Harper, Bucknor, Ashoka De Silva, Rauf etc. deciding what the trajectory of the ball might have been when ruling LBW decisions. Hawkeye at least is consistent and surely will not be biased and at this point this is good enough. Much better than an umpire giving a batsman out and on a very similar decision later on ruling in favor of batsman. At least Hawkeye will take care of such inconsistencies.

[Jayaram_IND]

hope the drs will help reverse obviously incorrect decissions like the wicket of chanderpaul in the 2nd innings of the second test.So this might actually allow 'the match to end a lot eariler' like dhoni said

[Crookbond]

You can never be sure of the trajectory no matter what. At the end of the day you have to take a leap of faith whether you trust a system enough. It surely is much better than umpires like Harper' date=' Bucknor, Ashoka De Silva, Rauf etc. deciding what the trajectory of the ball might have been when ruling LBW decisions. Hawkeye at least is consistent and surely will not be biased and at this point this is good enough. Much better than an umpire giving a batsman out and on a very similar decision later on ruling in favor of batsman. [b']At least Hawkeye will take care of such inconsistencies.

So, you are fine giving 10 wrong not outs versus 1 wrong not out and 9 correct ones? :omg:

[Cricket Tragic]

Wtf? So if a batsman gets an inside edge and is given out LBW, he can't review it even though Hot Spot is being used?

[cowboysfan]

Wtf? So if a batsman gets an inside edge and is given out LBW' date=' he can't review it even though Hot Spot is being used?[/quote'] why are you assuming this? the batsman can now review this because he thinks he has hit it,hotspot and that sound thingy will come into play.

[Cricket Tragic]

why are you assuming this? the batsman can now review this because he thinks he has hit it' date='hotspot and that sound thingy will come into play.[/quote'] It says that DRS won't be used for LBW decisions.

[saneindian]

Will they have snickometer as part of the DRS? I was under the impression that snicko isn't being used in decision making as it takes 3-4 minutes for the feed to be produced with the graphics.

[Cricket Tragic]

Will they have snickometer as part of the DRS? I was under the impression that snicko isn't being used in decision making as it takes 3-4 minutes for the feed to be produced with the graphics.

No, like you said it takes time to get the system working.

[Ultimate_Game]

So' date=' you are fine giving 10 wrong not outs versus 1 wrong not out and 9 correct ones? :omg:[/quote'] I want to be consistent and DRS is not as bad as you make it out to be. Can you back your 10 wrong not outs with evidence? World Cup proved the system is quite ok as long as the umpires have the common sense to go along with it so that we don't get to see a repeat of Bell's not out verdict.

[cowboysfan]

It says that DRS won't be used for LBW decisions.

I cant imagine the indian team insisting on the hotspot and not being able to use it for inside edges.

[Cricket Tragic]

I cant imagine the indian team insisting on the hotspot and not being able to use it for inside edges.

I'm on Cricinfo and this is what Bhogle has just tweeted... bhogleharsha: so hot spot will be used but not for lbws. there has to be a way around that. will look stupid if there is a big inside edge and batsman lbw

[cowboysfan]

I'm on Cricinfo and this is what Bhogle has just tweeted... bhogleharsha: so hot spot will be used but not for lbws. there has to be a way around that. will look stupid if there is a big inside edge and batsman lbw

he is right,they cannot have the hot spot and not use it for what it is intended .