rkt.india Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 There was a reason why he was dropped after being unsuccessful in 94, 96 and 97. He just couldn't handle the hot fast bowlers then. A simple question to you: Did you see him bat during that time? If not, you won't understand what problems he had against seriously fast and accurate bowlers who had bounce and why he flourished after 2001. And yes, ATG batsmen don't falter at start against great bowlers and capitalise against only weak ones. No..I was a baccha then..:giggle:
Tendya Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 Good Old XI(1-1000) 1. Gavaskar 2. Hobbs 3. Bradman © 4. George Headley 5. Viv Richards 6. Gary Sobers 7. Alan Knott (wk) 8. Malcom Marshall 9. Sydney Barnes 10.Dennis Lillee 11. O'Reilly 12th man : Keith Miller(All rounder) Modern XI(1001-2000) 1. V Sehwag 2. M Hayden 3. Ricky Ponting 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Brian Lara 6. Kallis 7. Gilchrist 8. Wasim Akram 9. Shane Warne © 10. Muralitharan 11. McGrath 12th man: Dravid Was confused about where to place Imran Khan in the 2 XIs, he played his career in both the halves almost equally , he would be my captain in my all time XI Comparing the 2 teams: Openers: The older XI has a clear advantage Middle.Lower Order(3-9): Both teams are on par Fast Bowling: Both teams are on par Spinners: The modern XI has a clear advantage I fancy Murali and Warne running through Bradman/Headley/Richards, None of them had been great players of spin(even the ordinary spin of those days)
Lurker Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 Good Old XI(1-1000) 1. Gavaskar 2. Hobbs 3. Bradman © 4. George Headley 5. Viv Richards 6. Gary Sobers 7. Alan Knott (wk) 8. Malcom Marshall 9. Sydney Barnes 10.Dennis Lillee 11. O'Reilly 12th man : Keith Miller(All rounder) Modern XI(1001-2000) 1. V Sehwag 2. M Hayden 3. Ricky Ponting 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Brian Lara 6. Kallis 7. Gilchrist 8. Wasim Akram 9. Shane Warne © 10. Muralitharan 11. McGrath 12th man: Dravid Was confused about where to place Imran Khan in the 2 XIs, he played his career in both the halves almost equally , he would be my captain in my all time XI Comparing the 2 teams: Openers: The older XI has a clear advantage Middle.Lower Order(3-9): Both teams are on par Fast Bowling: Both teams are on par Spinners: The modern XI has a clear advantage I fancy Murali and Warne running through Bradman/Headley/Richards, None of them had been great players of spin(even the ordinary spin of those days) The two teams seem very formidable on paper but if you ask me the Oldies would beat the daylights out of the modern XI. Wasim Akram could never get out Sunny Gavaskar in the few tests they played together and I have always maintained Gavaskar would have played Mcgrath with fair ease (for that matter Boycott would have played him decently as well). If you follow Sunny and Hobbs with Headley, Bradman, Sobers, Richards then dont quite see what Murali and Warne would do, for that matter anyone else. Oldies would win easy me thinks. As for Imran being in which XI, heck I wont put him in either but thats another discussion,
koksmayu Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 2nd team wins cuz older team dint know swing bowling and other technic
daryl1985 Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 The two teams seem very formidable on paper but if you ask me the Oldies would beat the daylights out of the modern XI. Wasim Akram could never get out Sunny Gavaskar in the few tests they played together and I have always maintained Gavaskar would have played Mcgrath with fair ease (for that matter Boycott would have played him decently as well). If you follow Sunny and Hobbs with Headley, Bradman, Sobers, Richards then dont quite see what Murali and Warne would do, for that matter anyone else. Oldies would win easy me thinks. As for Imran being in which XI, heck I wont put him in either but thats another discussion, I was on another forum and they had a similar thread. Someone raised a similar point and another member of the forum pointed out that McGrath had an excellent record against the good defensive batsman of his time (Dravid and Kallis were two who were named) while the more attacking batsman had a better record (Brian Lara was named but can't remember any others - i know McGrath got Lara lot of times but Lara stilll averaged 45 in attacks including McGrath). Having said that i never saw Gavaskar bat and don't know exactly how good he is.
Lurker Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 I was on another forum and they had a similar thread. Someone raised a similar point and another member of the forum pointed out that McGrath had an excellent record against the good defensive batsman of his time (Dravid and Kallis were two who were named) while the more attacking batsman had a better record (Brian Lara was named but can't remember any others - i know McGrath got Lara lot of times but Lara stilll averaged 45 in attacks including McGrath). It is not a question of being defensive actually. Gavaskar was just very very sure about where his off-stump was. To me Mcgrath's USP was his metronome capability of boring batsmen out of their minds and getting his wicket. This is of course being simplistic and a tad unfair on Mcgrath who had swing, pace, cut, seam and a mean bouncer when he wanted. Still his modus operandi was the corridor of uncertainty. Kinda like Richard Hadlee actually. Sunny would keep playing that game whole day long. He wouldnt care, me thinks. To an extent Boycott was cut from the same cloth although Sunny was obviously better.
Tendya Posted July 22, 2011 Posted July 22, 2011 The two teams seem very formidable on paper but if you ask me the Oldies would beat the daylights out of the modern XI. Wasim Akram could never get out Sunny Gavaskar in the few tests they played together and I have always maintained Gavaskar would have played Mcgrath with fair ease (for that matter Boycott would have played him decently as well). If you follow Sunny and Hobbs with Headley, Bradman, Sobers, Richards then dont quite see what Murali and Warne would do, for that matter anyone else. Oldies would win easy me thinks. As for Imran being in which XI, heck I wont put him in either but thats another discussion, Ya, the pacers might not be very effective against the oldies, But I cant find anyone better than Mcgrath and Wasim. Ambrose, Donald, Waqar all are good, but the likes of Gavaskar, Bradman, King Richards should'nt have a problem against them either. That was the reason for 2 spinners. Bradman struggled against a couple of spinners in his time. I am sure with the doosras, flippers etc, they would struggle against the best leg spinner and the best offie ever. Imran apart from being an inspirational leader was the best of the 4 80's allrounders and the best Paki to play cricket, at his peak he bowled better than Waqar and Wasim( his career avg is still better than the other 2), plus he averaged some 50 in his last decade in batting. I agree he did not perform at both disciplines at the same time(like Botham at his peak), I cant find any allrounder bar Sobers who is better than Imran
Sehwag1830 Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 I was on another forum and they had a similar thread. Someone raised a similar point and another member of the forum pointed out that McGrath had an excellent record against the good defensive batsman of his time (Dravid and Kallis were two who were named) while the more attacking batsman had a better record (Brian Lara was named but can't remember any others - i know McGrath got Lara lot of times but Lara stilll averaged 45 in attacks including McGrath). Having said that i never saw Gavaskar bat and don't know exactly how good he is. Gavaskar averaged 50 against Marshall http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28794.html?class=1;filter=advanced;player_involve=1571;template=results;type=batting And Dravid and Kallis are not as good as Gavaskar.
bunny Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 David Boon Graham Gooch (i know he technically doesnt qualify but he achieved his best in late 80s/90s) Rahul Dravid Sachin Tendulkar Brian Lara Steve Waugh Adam Gilchrist Shaun Pollock Shane Warne Waqar Younis Glen McGrath 12th man: Jacques Kallis If Ambrose qualifies I'd want him instead of McGrath. I wouldnt want to select a team which played before 85. I have only seen a few of the greats in action.
rkt.india Posted July 23, 2011 Posted July 23, 2011 Gavaskar averaged 50 against Marshall http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/28794.html?class=1;filter=advanced;player_involve=1571;template=results;type=batting And Dravid and Kallis are not as good as Gavaskar. What about in Australia?
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