Umesh relishing Pace War with Varun

[Jayaram_IND]

rkt.india is going to hunt you down and kill you.

But seriously he is still a work in progress.Dont Fast track him into the side as he still has to learn to keep things tight.He bowls too many bad balls.

[nsareen]

But seriously he is still a work in progress.Dont Fast track him into the side as he still has to learn to keep things tight.He bowls too many bad balls.

Not true, he is more experienced and skilled than the others, it's his luck with injuries, which have kept him out for long

[Jayaram_IND]

Not true' date=' he is more experienced and skilled than the others, it's his luck with injuries, which have kept him out for long[/quote'] Well i still feel he need more exposure.

[rkt.india]

Well i still feel he need more exposure.

last season he played 3 ranji matches took 18 wickets average 14, sr 26, in 2009, he rattled strong Aus A batting line on his own with a 5 wicket haul on an Indian pitch and that team had some good Aus batsmen how later played tests and ODIs. He is the highest wicket taker for India in emerging players tournament in its history. he is more skilled than any other. Most of the bowlers who come to seen in world cricket will be inconsistent to start with but with experience they settle down. If he can keep himself fit, he is the best bet for India in tests, even better than Ishant because of his ability to seam the ball both ways unlike Ishant and has good pace too. His run up and bowling action are very good for a pacer.

[Fontaine]

last season he played 3 ranji matches took 18 wickets average 14, sr 26, in 2009, he rattled strong Aus A batting line on his own with a 5 wicket haul on an Indian pitch and that team had some good Aus batsmen how later played tests and ODIs. He is the highest wicket taker for India in emerging players tournament in its history. he is more skilled than any other. Most of the bowlers who come to seen in world cricket will be inconsistent to start with but with experience they settle down. If he can keep himself fit, he is the best bet for India in tests, even better than Ishant because of his ability to seam the ball both ways unlike Ishant and has good pace too. His run up and bowling action are very good for a pacer.

Hey rkt, can you list the heights of these young bowlers? I don't think pace bowlers that are 5'11/5'10 are the way to go unless they have exceptional pace/technical ability. Most of the bowlers have to be tall.

[Jayaram_IND]

last season he played 3 ranji matches took 18 wickets average 14, sr 26, in 2009, he rattled strong Aus A batting line on his own with a 5 wicket haul on an Indian pitch and that team had some good Aus batsmen how later played tests and ODIs. He is the highest wicket taker for India in emerging players tournament in its history. he is more skilled than any other. Most of the bowlers who come to seen in world cricket will be inconsistent to start with but with experience they settle down. If he can keep himself fit, he is the best bet for India in tests, even better than Ishant because of his ability to seam the ball both ways unlike Ishant and has good pace too. His run up and bowling action are very good for a pacer.

No doubting calibre only saying he is not a finished article.Lets see this FC season im waiting eagerly for it.

[Jayaram_IND]

Hey rkt, can you list the heights of these young bowlers? I don't think pace bowlers that are 5'11/5'10 are the way to go unless they have exceptional pace/technical ability. Most of the bowlers have to be tall.

I think there was a similar discussion on height oin some thread some time before.

[rkt.india]

No doubting calibre only saying he is not a finished article.Lets see this FC season im waiting eagerly for it.

no one becomes finished article while playing FC. They have to play international to be called finished article.

[rkt.india]

Hey rkt, can you list the heights of these young bowlers? I don't think pace bowlers that are 5'11/5'10 are the way to go unless they have exceptional pace/technical ability. Most of the bowlers have to be tall.

yes..you are very much right. either a bowler has pace good height to become a real impact bowler along with the skills that can be developed. I write down the height of upcoming pacers in India. Umesh yadav 5' 9" but has pace. Varun Aaron 5'11"-6 feet has some pace Jaydev Unadkat 6'1" has good bounce and can swing in helpful conditions but no pace and is still very immature body wise-needs to get stronger, has a long way to go. abhimanyu mithun 6'2" the most athletic fast bowler I have seen in India along with Umesh yadav who was an athlete to start with but a bad bowling action hinders his progress as a bowler. pawan suyal 5'10" left armer, which is an advantage, swings the ball at decent pace. shrikanth wagh 6' another left armer who swings the ball at a decent pace. sudeep tyagi 6'3" good bowler with test potential, fast medium. Rahul shukla 6'1-2" a well built bowler and genuine fast according to Maninder singh, not seen yet. abu nechim ahmed 5'10" lean and thin but athletic bowler, and is fast medium with slingy action, plays for Assam.

[Jayaram_IND]

yes..you are very much right. either a bowler has pace good height to become a real impact bowler along with the skills that can be developed. I write down the height of upcoming pacers in India. Umesh yadav 5' 9" but has pace. Varun Aaron 5'11"-6 feet has some pace Jaydev Unadkat 6'1" has good bounce and can swing in helpful conditions but no pace and is still very immature body wise-needs to get stronger, has a long way to go. abhimanyu mithun 6'2" the most athletic fast bowler I have seen in India along with Umesh yadav who was an athlete to start with but a bad bowling action hinders his progress as a bowler. pawan suyal 5'10" left armer, which is an advantage, swings the ball at decent pace. shrikanth wagh 6' another left armer who swings the ball at a decent pace. sudeep tyagi 6'3" good bowler with test potential, fast medium. Rahul shukla 6'1-2" a well built bowler and genuine fast according to Maninder singh, not seen yet. abu nechim ahmed 5'10" lean and thin but athletic bowler, and is fast medium with slingy action, plays for Assam.

Thanks.

[Fontaine]

yes..you are very much right. either a bowler has pace good height to become a real impact bowler along with the skills that can be developed. I write down the height of upcoming pacers in India. Umesh yadav 5' 9" but has pace. Varun Aaron 5'11"-6 feet has some pace Jaydev Unadkat 6'1" has good bounce and can swing in helpful conditions but no pace and is still very immature body wise-needs to get stronger, has a long way to go. abhimanyu mithun 6'2" the most athletic fast bowler I have seen in India along with Umesh yadav who was an athlete to start with but a bad bowling action hinders his progress as a bowler. pawan suyal 5'10" left armer, which is an advantage, swings the ball at decent pace. shrikanth wagh 6' another left armer who swings the ball at a decent pace. sudeep tyagi 6'3" good bowler with test potential, fast medium. Rahul shukla 6'1-2" a well built bowler and genuine fast according to Maninder singh, not seen yet. abu nechim ahmed 5'10" lean and thin but athletic bowler, and is fast medium with slingy action, plays for Assam.

Thanks man.

[Blue Panther]

yes..you are very much right. either a bowler has pace good height to become a real impact bowler along with the skills that can be developed. I write down the height of upcoming pacers in India. Umesh yadav 5' 9" but has pace. Varun Aaron 5'11"-6 feet has some pace Jaydev Unadkat 6'1" has good bounce and can swing in helpful conditions but no pace and is still very immature body wise-needs to get stronger, has a long way to go. abhimanyu mithun 6'2" the most athletic fast bowler I have seen in India along with Umesh yadav who was an athlete to start with but a bad bowling action hinders his progress as a bowler. pawan suyal 5'10" left armer, which is an advantage, swings the ball at decent pace. shrikanth wagh 6' another left armer who swings the ball at a decent pace. sudeep tyagi 6'3" good bowler with test potential, fast medium. Rahul shukla 6'1-2" a well built bowler and genuine fast according to Maninder singh, not seen yet. abu nechim ahmed 5'10" lean and thin but athletic bowler, and is fast medium with slingy action, plays for Assam.

And we have vinay holding kumar.:two_thumbs_up:

[rkt.india]

And we have vinay holding kumar.:two_thumbs_up:

vinay's specialty is his consistency when batsman play him sedately, but when they attack he is clueless. he bowls straight and just nibbles the ball enough to trouble the batsman at around 130K pace. and every bowler whether he is genuine fast, fast medium, or medium fast need to have consistency to be successful.

[Blue Panther]

vinay's specialty is his consistency when batsman play him sedately, but when they attack he is clueless. he bowls straight and just nibbles the ball enough to trouble the batsman at around 130K pace. and every bowler whether he is genuine fast, fast medium, or medium fast need to have consistency to be successful.

Bhai, i was trying to be sarcastic.:((

[rkt.india]

Bhai' date=' i was trying to be sarcastic.:(([/quote'] i knew it...but what did i say?

[express bowling]

The kind of grass that is usually found say in NZ or UK doesn't seem the same as found in India. The grass isn't live and when I say that the grass is brown as well :nervous: It must be the sun. Green, live grass seems to effect the movement of the ball more than the brown one. Brown one I have found aids consistent bounce particularly with a hard surface underneath. I think more than that it is also the attitude to fast bowling. We have played so many age group teams in India and I can't think of one bowler that was brisk let alone quick. All the teams we have played so far (about 10-12 of them) have had two medium pacers. One a very lanky one that has fantastic action but with barely any effort at the delivery stride and another just a average built medium pacer. Never come across a team that has had over 3 fast bowlers in a team. Contrast that to teams we take over to India, we will definitely have two out and out fast bowlers, two fast medium bowlers at least and couple of medium pace bowlers that are more or less batsmen.

The thing that worries me most about Indian cricket is that they seem to be the only team whose seamers try to bowl with as little effort as possible. Even SriLankan and Bangladeshi pacers bowl with more effort, although they have the same dead, brown grass. Indian seamers typically have actions that don't seem to use their whole body and many have problems with their run ups -- either slow approach or non-rhythmic. The expensive and 'expert' bowling coaches don't seem to do anything to improve any technical weaknesses that lead to speed loss. They have a tendency to bowl at the lowest end of their pace bracket, whenever they have the chance. This effect gets pronounced when they have played more than one season of International cricket. I was watching the Bangladesh team bowl. Even the clearly-very-medium pacers were trying to bowl with a lot of effort. Surely there is something in the Indian cricket culture that discourages fast bowling. That process maybe direct or , in most cases, indirect like teaching an action suitable for medium pace bowling or scolding a younster if he bowls a bad bouncer but encoraging a bad pitched up delivery saying that the intention is correct or telling them that they don't have the pace and so just pitch the ball up and swing it. I hear Indian star comentators sometimes trying to prove that Ishant is not a genuine quick even during spells when he is hitting batsmen at 90mph as opposed to commentators of other countries trying to promote their fast-medium bowlers as genuine quicks. The ordinary Indian spectators have many genuine fast bowling fans among them but the Indian cricketing community really seems to hate fast bowlers with passion although they will never accept that fact. Local seamers at pre club level bowl with a lot of effort and as fast as they can but the moment they enter the proper cricket coaching circuit everything becomes controlled, effortless and non-aggressive with complete focus on conventional swing even though the ball does not normally swing much in India.

[express bowling]

yes..you are very much right. either a bowler has pace good height to become a real impact bowler along with the skills that can be developed. I write down the height of upcoming pacers in India. Umesh yadav 5' 9" but has pace. Varun Aaron 5'11"-6 feet has some pace Jaydev Unadkat 6'1" has good bounce and can swing in helpful conditions but no pace and is still very immature body wise-needs to get stronger, has a long way to go. abhimanyu mithun 6'2" the most athletic fast bowler I have seen in India along with Umesh yadav who was an athlete to start with but a bad bowling action hinders his progress as a bowler. pawan suyal 5'10" left armer, which is an advantage, swings the ball at decent pace. shrikanth wagh 6' another left armer who swings the ball at a decent pace. sudeep tyagi 6'3" good bowler with test potential, fast medium. Rahul shukla 6'1-2" a well built bowler and genuine fast according to Maninder singh, not seen yet. abu nechim ahmed 5'10" lean and thin but athletic bowler, and is fast medium with slingy action, plays for Assam.

Nice list rkt. :two_thumbs_up: You could have added Mohm. Shami Ahmed as well. How many of these bowlers can a) Bowl hostile short balls consistently. b) Move the ball at lively pace or higher. c) Have the action and mentality of a fast bowler. Aaron has all these qualities. Umesh and Tyagi cannot move the ball under many conditions although they have good short balls bowled with effort and Umesh is genuinely quick in the air. Unadkad moves the ball but not at a lively pace. Mithun and Abu Nechim very often do not bowl with effort and perhaps don't think of themselves as fast bowlers. They drop their pace often. Shrikant Wagh -- has to be watched more. Rahul Shukla and Pawan Suyal -- I have never seen. Mohm. Shami Ahmed -- Really interested in seeing how he bowls, may have all the qualities. Among current Indian bowlers -- Ishant has all these qualities but still has not learnt bowling to a plan. Sreesanth does not have a good zippy short ball and drops his pace often while bowling his promising outswingers. RP has lost his pace and his short ball. Munaf has a good short ball but bowls the pithed up deliveries without any effort and does not move the ball much although he has impeccable accuracy. PK has woncerful swing but lacks pace and hence a good short ball. Zaheer swings the ball wonderfully and bowls intelligently but has lost his pace when he pitches the ball up and his short ball has lost zip. This hampers his ability to take wicket under all conditions. Nehra does not have a good short ball and is losing his lively pace which he had even a year back for his swinging deliveries. So, most of our pacers seem to be incomplete bowlers when compared to real strike bowlers.

[rkt.india]

Nice list rkt. :two_thumbs_up: You could have added Mohm. Shami Ahmed as well. How many of these bowlers can a) Bowl hostile short balls consistently. b) Move the ball at lively pace or higher. c) Have the action and mentality of a fast bowler. Aaron has all these qualities. Umesh and Tyagi cannot move the ball under many conditions although they have good short balls bowled with effort and Umesh is genuinely quick in the air. Unadkad moves the ball but not at a lively pace. Mithun and Abu Nechim very often do not bowl with effort and perhaps don't think of themselves as fast bowlers. They drop their pace often. Shrikant Wagh -- has to be watched more. Rahul Shukla and Pawan Suyal -- I have never seen. Mohm. Shami Ahmed -- Really interested in seeing how he bowls, may have all the qualities.

Even swing bowlers cannot swing the ball always when conditions do not help. do you think PK swings the ball in Indian flat conditions, not. he has 67 ave in ODIs in India. If you think anyone can swing in India than you are wrong. You need helpful conditions to swing. Ball does not always swing in India. We saw how Tyagi moved the ball in IPL2 in SA. I havent seen suyal, mohammad shami, and shukla as well but i am taking the words of Vijay Dahiya, aakash chopra, wasim akram, and maninder singh for them.

[Cricket Tragic]

vinay's specialty is his consistency when batsman play him sedately' date=' [b']but when they attack he is clueless. he bowls straight and just nibbles the ball enough to trouble the batsman at around 130K pace. and every bowler whether he is genuine fast, fast medium, or medium fast need to have consistency to be successful.

Yeah, we've seen that in the ODIs he has played. He gets taken to the cleaners in the end overs.

[express bowling]

Even swing bowlers cannot swing the ball always when conditions do not help. do you think PK swings the ball in Indian flat conditions, not. he has 67 ave in ODIs in India. If you think anyone can swing in India than you are wrong. You need helpful conditions to swing. Ball does not always swing in India. We saw how Tyagi moved the ball in IPL2 in SA. I havent seen suyal, mohammad shami, and shukla as well but i am taking the words of Vijay Dahiya, aakash chopra, wasim akram, and maninder singh for them.

I have written about moving the ball whch includes conventional swing, seam movement, reverse swing which is very common in India ( or hitting small stones on a regular basis :winky: ) Tyagi bowls straight in conditions where others move the ball somewhat. ( I hope he has improved upon that, the guy surely hits the deck hard and is tall. ) You do not necessarily need huge swing or movement. Accurate balls bowled at pace prove to be lethal if they move moderately whether swing, reverse swing or seam movement. p.s- for the last 3 years or so, we are seeing conventional swing on certain grounds in India maybe because of a new type of ball used or whatever. Some seam movement is also seen on comparatively greener tops.