Pathetic state of Indian bowling

[speed_demon]

When newly-anointed skipper MS Dhoni called upon relative rookie Joginder Sharma to ball the last over against Pakistan in an evenly matched final of the first T-20 world cup in 2007, it was an extremely unusual choice. Joginder rose to the occasion, the gamble paid off, India took the crown, and MSD subsequently embarked on a journey in which he has so far won almost all that a skipper can in international cricket. When Dhoni called upon good friend RP Singh to ball the first over in the final test against England, it was an extremely unusual choice as well; but this time around, for very different reasons. JoginderÃÔ's choice reflected a skipper learning on the job, looking to take risks. RP's choice indeed, RP playing in the match itself, not to speak of opening the bowling smacked of the skipper being overly keen to get him a place back in the squad since the situation felicitated that, rather than looking to at least play for honour and change the scorecard to a 3-1. The TelegraphÃÔ Simon Hughes was expressing a widely held view in eminently readable terms when he wrote Ũiving Singh the opening over of the Test match was an odd decision, which became odder when four of his first six deliveries floated harmlessly down the leg side. It must have been one of the most unthreatening opening overs ever delivered in a Test match. But then, this has been one of the most unthreatening efforts from a team representing India in a long, long time. Hughes rubbed it in by adding that by the next day, Sing's speed and threat declined further, worn down by the burden of bowling more than four overs in a match, which, of course, is the quota for a 20-20. There is, of course, much said about the fact that this team is the reigning World Cup holder and MSD is the only skipper to have done that since 1983. ThatÃÔ true. But thereÃÔ a line IÃ×e heard a zillion times from commentators assessing or hedging their bets before any One-Day match of consequence: Å°n a good day, any team can win? And thatÃÔ not very incorrect. The match where Joginder bowled the last over could have been PakistanÃÔ as well; it comes down to tenacity, holding your nerve, and a wee bit of luck. But the match where RP Singh a familiar supporting face in ads starring MSD bowled the first over could not have gone any other way; the entire series could not have gone any other way. In a tense, intense, short match, the adrenaline can carry you through; over five days, four times over, you need much more than just that. Tenacity, self-discipline, stamina, focus. RPÃÔ selection and his complete inability to make anything of that gift demonstrated that gap vividly. Handing the ball to Joginder for that over demonstrated that MSD had the making of an aggressive skipper; handing it to RP for this one served to remind us that, even with the World Cup under his belt, he's still some distance from a Ponting or a Waugh. As to RP: With due respect to him, the cheery, chubby bowler, to quote the English press, dutifully explained after the first day's play of the last test, I wasn't surprised at my inclusion? Well, RP, at least someone wasn't

[speed_demon]

Pace bowling in India Found a nice blog about pace bowling in India. It concludes by ASKING varun aaron to break some helmets, and says that kapil dev was nothing less than a hero. Read on..

[speed_demon]

sorry folks, i'm new here, will have to make five posts before i can submit a link, this is 4th

[speed_demon]

and hopefully this is 5

[speed_demon]

and here is the blog http://eye-on-cricket.blogspot.com/2011/08/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html

[Tiger80]

From deep inside we Indians are dieing to see a world class fast bowlers.Any person who is reported to be bowling fast generate so much publicity that he gets more popular than some Indian cricket team players

[TheYuvi02]

Pathetic state of Indian bowling This is about india's bowling in tests which in my opinion is pathetic(not that odi bowling is any better) and would like to know how we can change it. Let's take a look at the stats of all Indian bowlers. Zaheer Khan- 79 matches 273 wickets at average of 31.78 and strike rate of 58 (he is a better bowler than his stats suggest but is very unfit and towards end of his career) Harbhajan singh- 98 matches 406 wickets at average of 32.22 and strike rate of 68 (used to be a good bowler but now a shadow of his former self, poor stats for someone who calls himself the best spinner) Sreesanth- 27 matches 87 wickets at average of 37.59 and strike rate of 62 (his bowling is as unreliable as his brain, terrible stats) Ishant- 38 matches 123 wickets at average of 34.54 and strike rate of 60 ( much promise but little has been fulfilled, once again poor stats) Munaf patel- 13 matches 35 wickets at average of 38.54 and strike rate of 75 (bad bowler not much to say) Amit mishra- 13 matches 43 wickets at average of 43.30 and strike rate of 81 ( known as amit no ball mishra, probably has bowled more no balls than the number of overs he has bowled, poor bowler) What is the future of indian cricket if the bowlers are so pathetic? Big 3 will be gone within 2 years and the batting won't be able to carry such crappy bowlers anymore, what's the solution?

[IKnowU]

Chill dude. It was bound to happen sooner or later. India has been towing the line for a long time, but we didnt have high expectations all that time hence the chalta he attitude until now. Should be interesting to see how the phassst balllling aqqack looks 2yrs from now.

[Cricket Tragic]

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[TheYuvi02]

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what happened, i didnt see any comment :omg:

[TheYuvi02]

Chill dude. It was bound to happen sooner or later. India has been towing the line for a long time, but we didnt have high expectations all that time hence the chalta he attitude until now. Should be interesting to see how the phassst balllling aqqack looks 2yrs from now.

why is it like this though? even west indies bowling attack looks better than ours imo

[IKnowU]

why is it like this though? even west indies bowling attack looks better than ours imo

It is better then ours. Ours was never good to begin with. But we somehow managed to scrape by for the past decade through various trundlers. Plus we had Kumble and Harbhajan to pick up the slack back then. Now no Kumble, and left with darts. Plus the fact of injury prone Zaheer. Ishant is the only hope, but he is being ruined because he has no support. Only "phasst" bowlers we can pass as being decent pace wise are Ishant and Sreesanth.

[rkt.india]

Ineffective fast bowlers. It is fair to say with how our medium pacers are fairing that their ineffectiveness has left no option for the captain and the team. They are bowling no better than part timers. I want to know the reason why these guys are not able generate enough seam movement or bounce off the pitch. Even at slower pace, the could get seam movement, but it has not been the case. Yesterday's wicket had enough grass in it to encourage the bowlers to hit the deck hard. Need to discuss about this. These same fast spin/swing bowlers used to do well in helpful conditions before.

[TheYuvi02]

they are just crap, end of. For the last few years zaheer made this **** bowling lineup look somewhat decent but now the shitness is shining through.

[CG]

It is fair to say with how our medium pacers are fairing that their ineffectiveness has left no option for the captain and the team. They are bowling no better than part timers. I want to know the reason why these guys are not able generate enough seam movement or bounce off the pitch. Even at slower pace, the could get seam movement, but it has not been the case. Yesterday's wicket had enough grass in it to encourage the bowlers to hit the deck hard. Need to discuss about this. These same fast spin swing bowlers used to do well in helpful conditions before.

They did get some seam movement when they put in some effort when munaf bowled one ball at 138km he got bounce and movement and beat bresnan but next ball was 120 a slower ball.unless you hit the pitch you will not get results,praveen kumar cannot bowl with old ball or at middle overs he will be hammered when the ball does not swing ,but he is still persisted in odis allthough last few years he has been bad.r.p singh is unfit.

[rkt.india]

RP did put some effort yesterday, but problem was his stamina. He clocked mid to high 130s in first 2 overs, but this is just a decent pace, not very quick, and at this pace bowler needs to maintain his accuracy and whenever he faltered, went for runs, did not try bouncer as well especially against Keyswetter as he was dancing down the track or straight fuller length delivery. But then as RP lacked stamina, after 2-3 overs, he was back to 80 mph again. He will have to work on it and as well consistency. Otherwise, he is a better bowler than this. Don't understand why became Mutait Singh as he did not have any injury. He should have continuously worked on his fitness. It means he lacked hunger to come back in the Indian team. His come back also sent a wrong message to young aspiring fast bowlers in the country.

[Blue Panther]

We have discussed this already. Our bowlers lack pace. We have to look for bowlers who have potential to pick wickets at the international level. The selectors must be aware of the strength of the bowlers, they should not pick the bowlers who does well only in domestic tournaments. Vinay kumar and mithun are prime examples for this case, they both lack pace but they pick wickets in the domestic tourneys and our selectors pick them without thinking abt their ability to perform at that international levels. They have been embarassing to say the least, Pace bowlers must be picked on the basis of pure pace. U can learn swing and seam but bowling pace is not an art which u can learn. It has to come naturally, and thats y i believe the bowlers who bowl at pace should picked. Varun aaron, umesh yadav must have been playing now, it doesnt matter if they go for runs becasue u know u can work with them and teach swing and seam. I remember wasim akram saying that he didnt knew abt swing or seam when he was picked for the pakistan team. All he used to do is run in and bowl quick, later on with the help of imran khan he learnt the art of swing bowling. But still he bowled quick with swing. I am really thinking of stop following cricket if they dont pick fast bowlers on the basis of pace.:((

[Number]

I think along with the pace they lack experience of bowling in these kind of conditions. PK was so slow that kieswetter was easily coming down the track to whack him. tbh RP looked better than test series still ineffective though , I thought Munaf will do better here , he is a consistent line-length bowler but looked completely different. He bowled everywhere ..outside leg-stump, full toss , short pitch with no bounce and had a loser attitude on the field , complete liability.

[vamos_rafa]

I think along with the pace they lack experience of bowling in these kind of conditions. PK was so slow that kieswetter was easily coming down the track to whack him. tbh RP looked better than test series still ineffective though , I thought Munaf will do better here , he is a consistent line-length bowler but looked completely different. He bowled everywhere ..outside leg-stump, full toss , short pitch with no bounce and had a loser attitude on the field , complete liability.

Munaf was brought into the side only in the ODIs. He has been warming the bench since the test series and I think he got used to it and he was doing pretty good.

[rkt.india]

Munaf was brought into the side only in the ODIs. He has been warming the bench since the test series and I think he got used to it and he was doing pretty good.

Moon-off.........