yoda Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Narayana Murthy got into IIT for undergrad, but his father couldn't afford the fees apparently. So he went to a local college and then went to the IITs for his Masters.
seedhi Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 In a country like India where the basic primary education sector is in shambles, this constant focus on IITs/IIMs by the govt/media/industry is absurd if not tragic. A large chunk of our population doesnt even have access to schools and of those who do, for the majority the quality of education (esp in rural areas) is pathetic. Why the govt spends time micro-managing with IITs/IIMs (which can take care of themselves) instead of tackling basic issues is beyond me. Focus on the real problems, these issues related to elite institutions are trivialities in comparison to the huge problems India faces in primary education, healthcare, nutrition etc.
Lurker Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Well its not how and what Infosys do. Its a company and they have a business model. They work on their own model which is most rightly decided by their management. In the end it proides employment to hundred thousand people. The question was Chetan Bhagat could have simply answered no he doesnt think IITians standard have gorn down. But Mr Bhagat has always been good in creating publicity. First he gets payment for 3 idiots, then he creates controversy as to why his name is not their in casting. I asked a simple question Narayana Murthy or Chetan Bhagat not Infosys or five point someone. Choice is yours. I will any day take the word of former. And their business model is built around body shopping. End of discussion. Quit making this sociological debate. There is none here. Infosys is built around charging x dollars for onsite labor and y dollars for offshore. This is of course no different to Wipro, CTS etc. xx
Lurker Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 In a country like India where the basic primary education sector is in shambles, this constant focus on IITs/IIMs by the govt/media/industry is absurd if not tragic. A large chunk of our population doesnt even have access to schools and of those who do, for the majority the quality of education (esp in rural areas) is pathetic. Why the govt spends time micro-managing with IITs/IIMs (which can take care of themselves) instead of tackling basic issues is beyond me. To spend millions and billions and see the brain-drain happen. Focus on the real problems, these issues related to elite institutions are trivialities in comparison to the huge problems India faces in primary education, healthcare, nutrition etc. Not gonna happen. Indians are programmed almost exclusively to look at IIT and AIIMS as the stellar goal in life (or cricket). If anything Chetan Bhagat may be a good example of this. A sharp guy who like most of us got programmed to get into IIT, IIMs etc etc. Not because he may have liked it but because it was the prevalent culture and his parents wanted him to do so. Joins a good job, gets disillusioned pretty quick, saves some money and jumps into what he wanted to do. I do hope thats on the upswing - wanting to get into a trade because you like it and not because it is the popular notion. xxx
Alchemist Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 IIRC he is MTech. I would not comment further on that. But what he has achieved in life can not be predicted/achieved based on college degrees. Then why is Narayan Murthy Commenting on Coallege Degrees ? He needs to look beyond that. Is he assuming that the quality of all the people in Infosys is A1 ?
akshayxyz Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Then why is Narayan Murthy Commenting on Coallege Degrees ? He needs to look beyond that. Is he assuming that the quality of all the people in Infosys is A1 ? It is his choice, he can pass opinion on whatever bothers him - or perhaps he was just replying to some query. But, going by his experience, I would like him to talk on entrepreneurship and do more (than he already might be) to nurture the same in India.
akshayxyz Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 In a country like India where the basic primary education sector is in shambles, this constant focus on IITs/IIMs by the govt/media/industry is absurd if not tragic. A large chunk of our population doesnt even have access to schools and of those who do, for the majority the quality of education (esp in rural areas) is pathetic. Why the govt spends time micro-managing with IITs/IIMs (which can take care of themselves) instead of tackling basic issues is beyond me. Focus on the real problems, these issues related to elite institutions are trivialities in comparison to the huge problems India faces in primary education, healthcare, nutrition etc. As a nation, India has to tackle problems at all levels. We can not go like - lets solve the healthcare/primary education before anything, until then we won't bother about improving quality of higher education.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 ^this. Coaching has nothing to do with the average quality of students. Quality is a relative measure of skill/excellence. When #of IITs were low, and #of seats were low - as compared to present day - only cream of the cream used to get there. Yes, those days some deserving people might have left out due to lack of exposure/coaching. If you increase quantity, the 'average' quality is bound to go down. After increasing the quantity, we are selecting top 1.5% as compared to top 1% before.. ( these figures are just for example). %wise the new number might still be the same, as more and more people must be appearing, but still, you can not maintain top quality by increasing intakes to multifolds. In short, if you increase the size of the sieve, along with wheat, you are bound to get more chaff and/or low quality wheat. As for focus on research in IITs - it is a different topic. And at people comparing NRN Murthy with Chetan Bhagat. kahan Raja Bhoj (NR Narayan Murthy :adore:) kahan Gangu Teli ( Chetan Bhagat) :hahaha:
Raghav_12 Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Thats a great reply? That is a perfectly retarded reply in my opinion. It takes inherently more creativity to write a book than to join IIT/IIM or some Investment bank. Thousands, and hundreds of thousands of people have joined IIT/IIM, how many of them are known as much as Chetan Bhagat? xxx Chetan Bhagat is one person who went to IIT/IIIM and is as famous as Chetan Bhagat :winky:
ganeshran Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 I dont know Bhagat had to tie NRN's comments which were his personal opinion, to the quality of employees at his organization which he founded in his professional capacity. It is also ironic that Bhagat while disagreeing with NRN's sweeping comments, himself makes similar comments against the quality of Infy employees. Infy in no way can claim that its employees are the best and brightest in India - but the reverse is also not true - there are some very sharp minds who work there.
Raghav_12 Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Quality of IITians in going down somehow. Primarily it is because of ever increasing number of seats in IIT's and it is set to go down even further with new set of IIT's coming up. Few years back, a seat in IIT's were not guaranteed if you got a JEE rank beyond 1500 and nowadays I hear people talking about JEE rank in 10's of thousands. Second important reason is decreasing quality of JEE question papers. Anybody who has seen Physics question paper of JEE-95 and physics question paper from any of the recent JEE's would understand the difference clearly.
punjabi_khota Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 He should be happy, since most IITians don't end up in Infy these days (Infy/TCS/Wipro was usually the last company invited for campus interviews in 2005...it fell out of favor at IITs around 2001 when it became a massive body shop) . If the quality of IITians is going down, maybe the quality of other colleges is going up ? That can only benefit Infy. Three cheers for swami charan shri prasad college of engineering, where Infy just hired 500 people. :clap:
akshayxyz Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Quality of IITians in going down somehow. Primarily it is because of ever increasing number of seats in IIT's and it is set to go down even further with new set of IIT's coming up. Few years back' date=' a seat in IIT's were not guaranteed if you got a JEE rank beyond[b'] 1500 and nowadays I hear people talking about JEE rank in 10's of thousands. Second important reason is decreasing quality of JEE question papers. Anybody who has seen Physics question paper of JEE-95 and physics question paper from any of the recent JEE's would understand the difference clearly. :agree: There used to be some questions where you would get sense of achievement, even after you get free time to solve them. But, then one can argue that GRE Maths questions are no where near even current JEE (or even state level Engineering exams) question papers, yet GRE is the established standard for admission into world class institutions. So, "quality of question paper" can not be a major factor in determining quality of students at IITs. If you meant higher the complexity the higher the quality.
Raghav_12 Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 :agree: There used to be some questions where you would get sense of achievement, even after you get free time to solve them. But, then one can argue that GRE Maths questions are no where near even current JEE (or even state level Engineering exams) question papers, yet that GRE is the established standard for admission into world class institutions. So, "quality of question paper" can not be a major factor in determining quality of students at IITs. GRE score is just one of many criteria used for admission in top institutes while JEE is only criterion admission of candidates for IIT's. You can have top GRE score still might not get admission in top institutes if you don't have good background or good reco's.
akshayxyz Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 ^ of course, GRE is only one part. But it is the one of the key measures of the quantitative aptitude of the prospective students. Other being previous academic history. A good GRE scores increases the chances, and poor one decreases. In fact GRE is not the right comparison with JEE.. It should be GRE vs GATE and SAT vs JEE....and SAT is even more simple I guess. Btw, IIRC there was some news which said - IITs give some weight-age to XII marks too.
jusarrived Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 He should be happy' date=' since most IITians don't end up in Infy these days (Infy/TCS/Wipro was usually the last company invited for campus interviews in 2005...it fell out of favor at IITs around 2001 when it became a massive body shop) . If the quality of IITians is going down, maybe the quality of other colleges is going up ? That can only benefit Infy. Three cheers for swami charan shri prasad college of engineering, where Infy just hired 500 people. :clap:[/quote'] I work for one of these companies & trust me we have had lot of recruits from IITs in the past few years ..one kid i met was on SAP support team , you have to agree its dissapointing.
akshayxyz Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 kahan Raja Bhoj (NR Narayan Murthy :adore:) kahan Gangu Teli ( Chetan Bhagat) :hahaha: Well, we should not be judging the objectivity of their statements based on their social status. That is Ad-Hominem. NRN is businessman, Bhagat is an author and most likely with better academic/intellectual record than NRN. When it comes to arguments/debate, I would rather give more credibility to CB than NRN - to start with. Besides, it is ironic for NRN to comment on status of research in IITs. Has he developed some world class R&D department at Infy? It is tough to argue against - Infy is a major outsourcing company, and not a top quality innovation/technology company. I work for one of these companies & trust me we have had lot of recruits from IITs in the past few years ..one kid i met was on SAP support team ' date=' you have to agree its dissapointing.[/quote'] PK is suggesting that top quality IIT students do not prefer these companies and even I agree on that. So most likely you happened to see some not-so-good-iitian recruit.
Sachin=GOD Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 Well' date= we should not be judging the objectivity of their statements based on their social status. That is Ad-Hominem. NRN is businessman, Bhagat is an author and most likely with better academic/intellectual record than NRN. When it comes to arguments/debate, I would rather give more credibility to CB than NRN - to start with. I'm not saying that. What I'm trying to say is that Chetan Bhagat is becoming something like a Baba Ramdev types - he has an opinion on everything thats happening in the country, even if he has nothing to do with it. He is an author (and not a very good one at that) so he should concentrate on his writing. As for the quality of IITs, I agree with Narayan Murthy. In fact its not just in IITs but also in IIMs where the quality has gone down because of too many new campuses being opened and also because of these coaching institutes.
Lurker Posted October 4, 2011 Posted October 4, 2011 I dont know Bhagat had to tie NRN's comments which were his personal opinion, to the quality of employees at his organization which he founded in his professional capacity. It is also ironic that Bhagat while disagreeing with NRN's sweeping comments, himself makes similar comments against the quality of Infy employees. Infy in no way can claim that its employees are the best and brightest in India - but the reverse is also not true - there are some very sharp minds who work there. Not quite, his criticism is strictly against Narayan Murthy. Exact words being - It is ironic when someone who runs a body shopping company and calls it hi-tech, makes sweeping comments on the quality of IIT students. Where is he questioning the employees here?
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