Yuvraj is fat again

[vvvslaxman]

Yes.. but the one that is excreted w/o extracting any energy. Primary role of fiber is for bowl movements. When I started on 0 carb diet, I made the mistake of taking no fiber and developed severe constipation. Some people are able to eliminate that too. I do not think there is any theoretical limit on amount of protein you can eat. As long as you increase it gradually and drink lots of water, w/o that it will be too taxing on kidneys. Anyway, in ketogenic diets or in fact any diet - role of protein should be to provide material for muscle wear/tear or building.. not for energy. Primary source of energy should be either fat, or carbs. or combination of both. Hence, in typical ketogenic diets, about 65% of calories come from fat, and about 30% from protein, and less than 5% from carbs. Our body can adjust to lot of surprising diets. As for long term effects - read about Eskimos' diet - they live healthily throughout their lives with minimal carbs. And as for physiological functions we share all the genetic material with them :), in fact I am sure we share a significant amount (perhaps almost all) of genetic material related to physiological functions, with pure carnivores. It is just about making gradual changes and triggering the relevant body functions to adjust to the various diets.

Is it worth it? What is the point in zero carb diet? It is fine for sedantary people. Even though cricket doesn't involve too much running you still need lot more energy than someone sitting infront of computer. Wasn't ketogenic diet created for epileptic condition? If you are a diabetic you have no choice. But if you have a healthy body with an active life style i think low carb makes no sense.

[akshayxyz]

It is interesting no doubt' date='but I think Eskimoes live in harsh cold conditions and do a lot of manual labor which is why they are able to stomach all that fat.[/quote'] On ketogenic diets, if you take your vitamins, and green veggies (they dont have much of usable carbs).. then you don't even feel that hungry.. As for hard work etc.. if you are inactive, it is as easy to gain fat from surplus carbs..and very easy to overeat in form of carbs, esp simple carbs. In fact IIRC, it is easier to store surplus carb as fat than it is to store surplus fat as fat.

[vvvslaxman]

And even if you are skeptical about long term effects of 0 carb diets.., you can always do other variations of ketogenic diets - like Cyclic Ketogenic Diet.. in which you stay off carbs for 5-6 days (aided with some compound lifts), followed by 1-2 of days of carb loading, and then back to fat+protein meals. Or TKD ( targeted ketogenic diet) - where in you take about 40-50 gm of carbs once a day.. usually before gym.

I am not sure what advantage you have over those who eat carb. As long as you count calories it shouldn't really matter. I lost about 40 pounds in the last 8 months. Never gave up carbs.That was primary source of energy. I had fat, protein both. But i was able to perform intense work outs without energy depravation due to constant supply of carbs.

[akshayxyz]

Is it worth it? What is the point in zero carb diet? It is fine for sedantary people. Even though cricket doesn't involve too much running you still need lot more energy than someone sitting infront of computer. Wasn't ketogenic diet created for epileptic condition? If you are a diabetic you have no choice. But if you have a healthy body with an active life style i think low carb makes no sense.

Is it worth it? - depends on your goals, taste and other preferences - there are cases where 0 carb diets are much more efficient than the ones with carbs. I was just highlighting that it is perfectly healthy, physiologically speaking, to avoid carbs. And there are other practical problems with following 0 carb diets... you are restricted to self-prepared meals, whenever you go out, eat out with others, it is very difficult to avoid carbs. And 0 carb diets become useless (one gets out of ketogenic mode), if you keep taking carbs randomly. You are right about epileptic people. IIRC, it was 'discovered' that way, but its real benefits were discovered later or in other words its 'harmlessness' was learned over the period of time. And yes, you are also right about diabetic condition too - in fact for a particular diabetic type, it can be fatal (or lead you to coma) to go zero carbs.

[vvvslaxman]

Is it worth it? - depends on your goals, taste and other preferences - there are cases where 0 carb diets are much more efficient than the ones with carbs. I was just highlighting that it is perfectly healthy, physiologically speaking, to avoid carbs. And there are other practical problems with following 0 carb diets... you are restricted to self-prepared meals, whenever you go out, eat out with others, it is very difficult to avoid carbs. And 0 carb diets become useless (one gets out of ketogenic mode), if you keep taking carbs randomly. You are right about epileptic people. IIRC, it was 'discovered' that way, but its real benefits were discovered later or in other words its 'harmlessness' was learned over the period of time. And yes, you are also right about diabetic condition too - in fact for a particular diabetic type, it can be fatal (or lead you to coma) to go zero carbs.

Yes it is very very difficult to completely avoid carb. My wife suffered very badly when he had diabetic during pregnancy. She was allowed only 45 g of carb per day. Indian food is basically carb rich. So it is like giving up Indian food altogether. It was like hell. I am not against any particular type of source. I believe as long as you don't over-eat you should be fine. Lot of guys in US are not ass-ugly-fat not because they eat more fat or more carbs. They are fat because they over-eat. You need to count calories at the end of the day.

[akshayxyz]

I am not sure what advantage you have over those who eat carb. As long as you count calories it shouldn't really matter. I lost about 40 pounds in the last 8 months. Never gave up carbs.That was primary source of energy. I had fat' date=' protein both. But i was able to perform intense work outs without energy depravation due to constant supply of carbs.[/quote'] As I said - I am just highlighting 0 carb diets are as healthy as normal carb-centered diets. Which one you can follow in practice depends on other factors, mostly social - than biological. Also, as for what advantage 0 carb diets have over carb ones... e.g. if you want to go from lets say 10% body fat to 8% body fat - a 0 carb diet is known to be more efficient and muscle sparing than a carb centric cutting diet. For normal people weight loss goals, it is not important - but for people who gained their muscle hard way and then want to shed that additional fat w/o losing the hard gained muscle - then low carb diets are better. It does not mean, you can not achieve that on carb diets - just that it is less efficient. Or, if you are morbidly obese, and do not want to workout too much, or it will affect your joints ( because they are not used to running/jogging) - then also 0 carb diets are preferred over carb centeric ones.

[akshayxyz]

Yes it is very very difficult to completely avoid carb. My wife suffered very badly when he had diabetic during pregnancy. She was allowed only 45 g of carb per day. Indian food is basically carb rich. So it is like giving up Indian food altogether. It was like hell. I am not against any particular type of source. I believe as long as you don't over-eat you should be fine. Lot of guys in US are not ass-ugly-fat not because they eat more fat or more carbs. They are fat because they over-eat. You need to count calories at the end of the day.

No doubts about it. That is where nballa got it wrong. 0 carb diets are no magic in that sense. There also, surplus calories will be stored as fat. Just that it is relatively more difficult to overeat on 0 carb diets, again which can vary individual to individual. Activity and quantity define overall fitness levels, weight - at macro level...... diets are just catalysis/mechanism to alter one's state efficiently - depending on goals (start and end state and time frame) - at micro-management level.

[vvvslaxman]

No doubts about it. That is where nballa got it wrong. 0 carb diets are no magic in that sense. There also, surplus calories will be stored as fat. Just that it is relatively more difficult to overeat on 0 carb diets, again which can vary individual to individual. Activity and quantity define overall fitness levels, weight - at macro level...... diets are just catalysis/mechanism to alter one's state efficiently - depending on goals (start and end state and time frame) - at micro-management level.

Guys like Yuvraj appear to add lot of empty calories on a daily basis. http://www.mensxp.com/health/body-building/2640-fitness-tips-from-top-indian-cricketers-rahul-dravid-a-yuvraj-singh.html Rahul Dravid He starts his day at 6 am with a metabolic run followed by a meditation session of about 30 minutes and during match days; he does a bit of shadow practice too. “It’s important to stay and look fit to be able to play for the country”, says Rahul. Dravid takes time out of his busy schedule and makes it a point to hit the gym at least thrice a week. His fitness regime in the gym comprises of a lot of cardio and light weight. “As a player, you have to be flexible and quick. If you overbuild the muscles you lose some of your flexibility. Therefore, I don’t do heavy weights” adds Rahul. His basic idea of fitness is to do a lot of aerobic exercises and yoga to remain physically as well as mentally fit. He is extra careful about what he eats and how many calories he takes. He prefers sports nutrition food packets. Yuvraj Singh His skill set on the field is well known, but not many people know the hard work that he puts in while being off field. Like Rahul, even Yuvraj doesn’t do heavy weights as his idea of fitness is not to build muscles, but to maintain a toned body. For that, he works out in the gym for about 3-4 a week, with his main focus on the cardio exercises. "My hard work off the field keeps me physically fit on the field. At this level only the fittest survive, and I keep reminding myself with this fact" says Yuvraj. (MensXP.com) I am not sure this is the case anymore with Yuvraj. But with Dravid he always looked fit. He probably lost his reflexes.

[vvvslaxman]

Athelte of the week One of the most under-rated cricketers of all time, Rahul Dravid at 38 has reached a new milestone. He raced past Ricky Ponting to become the second highest run-getter in tests, cementing his position as one of the all time greatest cricketers ever, scoring a century to get to the milestone during the first test match at Lords. Standing tall while wickets fall around him is something that he is used to, but only the most extraordinary display of mental strength makes him able to do this time and again. Let's see what this great cricketer at 38 does to remain in top form. Rahul Dravil starts his day with a metabolic run every morning. This means that he may do just some running at times but metablolic running means he does short bursts of high intensity interval training which are essentially sprints. Sprints help him with his fielding as well as with running between wickets. Sprints are very important for building strength and lean muscle too. As a cricketer he needs to train his lower body and upper body all round and become strong. But in his own words, he says that at this level of the sport, flexibility is key and therefore he mostly does light weights because heavy weights make your structure bulky and you lose flexibility. He goes to the gym for weight training thrice a week when he is not playing a tournament. In between matches the training provided to the team is good enough for him to stay fit. On age: At 38, Rahul Dravid still takes all the catches that come to him, has loads of energy to stay on the field as long as his team wants him to, and still looks fitter than a lot of the younger cricketers out there. According to Dravid, yes it gets tougher the more you age, but that just means you have to work harder for the same results and he has never been one to shy away from hard work. As long as you know that you need to work harder, that is your answer and fitness is the most important aspect of over all health and happiness whether you are an athlete or whether you just want to live a fruitful life. On mental strength: After his 6 am metabolic run Dravid meditates for 30 minutes everyday. This takes the form of his cool head on his shoulders and mental prowess when he comes on the field to bat. He remains unfazed through it all and this is probably the single most important quality he possesses that has made him as successful as he is today. Dravid also does yoga for building concentration and flexibility. On his diet: Dravid stays away from sweets during a tournament, as he says that they make him sluggish on field. He is careful with calories, a healthy eater, and always make sure he has sports nutrition food packets handy for his energy needs.

[akshayxyz]

Another counter-intuitive aspect of low-carb diet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-carbohydrate_diet#Side_effects_of_this_diet:

At the Center for Obesity Research and Education at Temple University, Philadelphia, researchers found recently that after a 2 year comparison, a low carbohydrate diet is almost similar to low-fat diet in terms of weight loss, but low-carbohydrate improves cardiovascular risk factors more, such as blood pressure and lipid levels. This study would suggest that low-carbohydrate diet protects individuals from potential coronary heart diseases in a more effective way. 307 patients were randomly assigned to either one of the two diets and researchers found 2 years later that good cholesterol levels were higher among the low-carbohydrate group compared to the low-fat group, 23% and 11% respectively.[9] On the other side, a study by the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center (BIDMC), a teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School, revealed after a study made on mice with different diets that with a low-carbohydrate there is a significant impact on atherosclerosis, even though it didn't affect cholesterol levels. Anthony Rosenzweig, a professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School, found that the increase in plaque build-up in the blood vessels and the impaired ability to form new vessels were associated with a reduction in vascular progenitor cells, which some researchers claim could play a protective role in keeping vascular health

So all that popular knowledge that cutting fats will reduce cholesterol levels, cardiovascular health - is better achieved via low-carb diets. But yes, very difficult w/o exercising.

[nballa]

I understand what you are trying to say - but even on fat-heavy diets, (calorie_in - calorie_out) is directly proportional to the weight gain. And the factor of weight gain for every unit of surplus calories depends on various other factors and varies from individual to individual - but within a window.

obviously if you are gorging on 4000 calories a day you will put on fat regardless, its common sense. what i'm trying to say is given a normal 2000-2500 calorie diet you will see different fat gain in different people. its about how your colon processes it.

[akshayxyz]

Guys like Yuvraj appear to add lot of empty calories on a daily basis. http://www.mensxp.com/health/body-building/2640-fitness-tips-from-top-indian-cricketers-rahul-dravid-a-yuvraj-singh.html Rahul Dravid He starts his day at 6 am with a metabolic run followed by a meditation session of about 30 minutes and during match days; he does a bit of shadow practice too. ŪtÃÔ important to stay and look fit to be able to play for the country? says Rahul. Dravid takes time out of his busy schedule and makes it a point to hit the gym at least thrice a week. His fitness regime in the gym comprises of a lot of cardio and light weight. Å¢s a player, you have to be flexible and quick. If you overbuild the muscles you lose some of your flexibility. Therefore, I donÃÕ do heavy weights adds Rahul. His basic idea of fitness is to do a lot of aerobic exercises and yoga to remain physically as well as mentally fit. He is extra careful about what he eats and how many calories he takes. He prefers sports nutrition food packets. Yuvraj Singh His skill set on the field is well known, but not many people know the hard work that he puts in while being off field. Like Rahul, even Yuvraj doesnÃÕ do heavy weights as his idea of fitness is not to build muscles, but to maintain a toned body. For that, he works out in the gym for about 3-4 a week, with his main focus on the cardio exercises. "My hard work off the field keeps me physically fit on the field. At this level only the fittest survive, and I keep reminding myself with this fact" says Yuvraj. (MensXP.com) I am not sure this is the case anymore with Yuvraj. But with Dravid he always looked fit. He probably lost his reflexes.

With all due respect to Dravid - just by doing heavy weights one does not add muscle, in fact if these guys start doing a bit heavier squats, and other compound exercises - it will do them world of good. But then, I don't have any complaints from likes of SRT/Dravid. It is people like UV, Sehwag - who have to show some discipline - they are going to be future senior, once the 3 biggies leave the scene. What kind of example they are going to set to youngsters.. :headshake:

[vvvslaxman]

Another counter-intuitive aspect of low-carb diet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-carbohydrate_diet#Side_effects_of_this_diet: So all that popular knowledge that cutting fats will reduce cholesterol levels, cardiovascular health - is better achieved via low-carb diets. But yes, very difficult w/o exercising.

I am always curious about Okinawa diet though. there are so many centenarians there. Their 80% of their calories come from sweet potato. They eat rice, beans. They eat plenty of carbs. They are the healthiest people in the world. They live the longest. They are active till they die. So there are no set rules.

[akshayxyz]

obviously if you are gorging on 4000 calories a day you will put on fat regardless' date=' its common sense. [b']what i'm trying to say is given a normal 2000-2500 calorie diet you will see different fat gain in different people. its about how your colon processes it.

of course. And yes, I understand that it is relatively more difficult to gain fat on low carb (Fat-protein heavy) diets. And all this also vary from individual to individual within some limits.

[King Tendulkar]

Bloody hell this thread has become boring

[vamos_rafa]

lollz its as if saying Rabri Devi is pregnant again.

[gaurav92]

lollz its as if saying Rabri Devi is pregnant again.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[gs]

lollz its as if saying Rabri Devi is pregnant again.

:haha::haha::haha:

[King Tendulkar]

lollz its as if saying Rabri Devi is pregnant again.

:giggle:

[Deleted_User_1]

fat and still Yuseless. Get kohli in!