India Tour Australia 2011/12 - Umpiring Tales and Controversies

[CrazyCric]

Thank god for using DRS in SL vs SA series ,Already managed to avoid a howler . Indians can suffer because of there own fault ,no point trying to make sense .

[ganeshran]

Aussie r best and McCricket - cut it out. You guys have been fighting and abusing each other on multiple threads. If you feel a post is an attempt to troll or bait others, report it and dont retaliate.

[Aussie-r-best]

Thank god for using DRS in SL vs SA series ,Already managed to avoid a howler . Indians can suffer because of there own fault ,no point trying to make sense .

So true CrazyCric, I don't think there is anyone that would say that DRS is perfect but this test showed how howlers are made. 5 howlers in one test is way too much and could affect the result and in the case of Hussey for example may have ended his career. IMO, DRS should be used but perhaps it should be that the decision to refer is one for the umpires to refer or for the third umpire to review and recall after reviewing the obvious decisions. Ian Healy was saying the other day on the ch9 telecast and I agree with him, the 50/50 decisions don't necessarily create significant angst, the swings and roundabouts of those decisions will even out over time, it is the howlers that players and spectatots can't handle.

[Bradman99]

So true CrazyCric, I don't think there is anyone that would say that DRS is perfect but this test showed how howlers are made. 5 howlers in one test is way too much and could affect the result and in the case of Hussey for example may have ended his career. IMO, DRS should be used but perhaps it should be that the decision to refer is one for the umpires to refer or for the third umpire to review and recall after reviewing the obvious decisions. Ian Healy was saying the other day on the ch9 telecast and I agree with him, the 50/50 decisions don't necessarily create significant angst, the swings and roundabouts of those decisions will even out over time, it is the howlers that players and spectatots can't handle.

Exactly right! 50/50's I'm always happy to go with the umpires call.. Even if it's marginal I don't mind.. But the blatant, obvious ones it is tough to accept it when the technology is right there..

[Karan114]

Umpires' mistakes fine with me: Dhoni Umpires' mistakes fine with me: Dhoni Sam Lienert Thu Dec 29 2011 India captain MS Dhoni says a series of umpiring errors which helped Australia in the second innings of the MCG Test have not softened his opposition to the decision review system (DRS). India's refusal to allow technology-aided reviews for the four-Test series hurt Australia in the first innings, when Mike Hussey and Ed Cowan were both incorrectly given out. But it came back to bite the tourists later in the match, with Ricky Ponting given one life in his second innings on Wednesday and Hussey given two on Thursday morning, helping Australia build what proved a winning lead. But Dhoni said he was happier having his team be both a beneficiary and victim of umpiring errors than allowing the men in the middle to be over-ruled by technology he regards as unreliable. "They just need to feel and back their decision, if they feel something is out, they should give it out," Dhoni said. "They don't need to be God, because it is a game which is full of mistakes. "I don't mind it, it's part and parcel of the game. If it's not done intentionally then I'm okay with it." The International Cricket Council (ICC) says that 97 per cent of decisions are correct in Tests when DRS is used, compared to 92 per cent without it. But Dhoni questioned the worth of those statistics and said it depended on what the ICC regarded as a correct decision. He said in his experience, devices such as Snickometer and Hot Spot, designed to detect whether bat hit ball, did not always do so. "If it's not 100 per cent, I'll still go with umpires good or bad," he said. "It's a game where you can make mistakes. "If the bowler doesn't commit a mistake the batsman can't score runs. "If the batsman doesn't commit a mistake the bowlers don't get wickets, so we'll make umpires also part of it." http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8396303

[Aussie-r-best]

Umpires' mistakes fine with me: Dhoni Sam Lienert Thu Dec 29 2011 India captain MS Dhoni says a series of umpiring errors which helped Australia in the second innings of the MCG Test have not softened his opposition to the decision review system (DRS). India's refusal to allow technology-aided reviews for the four-Test series hurt Australia in the first innings, when Mike Hussey and Ed Cowan were both incorrectly given out. But it came back to bite the tourists later in the match, with Ricky Ponting given one life in his second innings on Wednesday and Hussey given two on Thursday morning, helping Australia build what proved a winning lead. But Dhoni said he was happier having his team be both a beneficiary and victim of umpiring errors than allowing the men in the middle to be over-ruled by technology he regards as unreliable. "They just need to feel and back their decision, if they feel something is out, they should give it out," Dhoni said. "They don't need to be God, because it is a game which is full of mistakes. "I don't mind it, it's part and parcel of the game. If it's not done intentionally then I'm okay with it." The International Cricket Council (ICC) says that 97 per cent of decisions are correct in Tests when DRS is used, compared to 92 per cent without it. But Dhoni questioned the worth of those statistics and said it depended on what the ICC regarded as a correct decision. He said in his experience, devices such as Snickometer and Hot Spot, designed to detect whether bat hit ball, did not always do so. "If it's not 100 per cent, I'll still go with umpires good or bad," he said. "It's a game where you can make mistakes. "If the bowler doesn't commit a mistake the batsman can't score runs. "If the batsman doesn't commit a mistake the bowlers don't get wickets, so we'll make umpires also part of it." http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8396303

So by this logic, the DRS is ok and should be used (at least in some cases) as it is accepted that it is not perfect and make mistakes occasionally. When is it right or possible to refer some decisions such as no-balls etc and not others. IMO the umpire should be able to refer any decision to a third umpire for review. If the umpires then are not certain, the benefit ofthe doubt has to go to the batsman.

[FreakazoiD]

So by this logic' date=' the DRS is ok and should be used (at least in some cases) as it is accepted that it is not perfect and make mistakes occasionally. When is it right or possible to refer some decisions such as no-balls etc and not others. IMO the umpire should be able to refer any decision to a third umpire for review. If the umpires then are not certain, the benefit ofthe doubt has to go to the batsman.[/quote'] I think the basic presumption here is that the DRS technology is unbiased. I beg to differ. Both hot-spot and hawk-eye are prone to adulteration by local broadcasters (just as they used to doctor the "snickometer" in Australia, under the guise of "filtering noise"). India's stand is let the decision be made by people on the field (umpires) and not some Channel 9 technicians who may have their own vested interests in guiding the result either way. The only "technology" I would trust would be one the umpires themselves can operate, such as TV replays. Everything else is rubbish.

[AGHORI]

hotspot shows no edge for gambhir :hysterical:

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[AGHORI]

Aussie r best and McCricket - cut it out. You guys have been fighting and abusing each other on multiple threads. If you feel a post is an attempt to troll or bait others' date=' report it and dont retaliate.[/quote'] :omg:

[BestVRest]

At the end of the test most of the decisions went the Aussie way, this is what happens when you reject the DRS. The DRS was brought in because India made a big deal after Sydney in 08 and now they are rejecting it, no wonder Indians are the laughing stock now. It don't matter to me because like I said the Aussies ended up getting quite a few decisions our way I think it was 7 - 3 to the Aussies in the end.

[Vijay.Sharma]

I think the basic presumption here is that the DRS technology is unbiased. I beg to differ. Both hot-spot and hawk-eye are prone to adulteration by local broadcasters (just as they used to doctor the "snickometer" in Australia' date= under the guise of "filtering noise"). India's stand is let the decision be made by people on the field (umpires) and not some Channel 9 technicians who may have their own vested interests in guiding the result either way. The only "technology" I would trust would be one the umpires themselves can operate, such as TV replays. Everything else is rubbish.

Any evidence of this or is it just hear-say?

[Vijay.Sharma]

At the end of the test most of the decisions went the Aussie way, this is what happens when you reject the DRS. The DRS was brought in because India made a big deal after Sydney in 08 and now they are rejecting it, no wonder Indians are the laughing stock now. It don't matter to me because like I said the Aussies ended up getting quite a few decisions our way I think it was 7 - 3 to the Aussies in the end.

I don't think you are being fair to India's position. Suppose in the next Test if it goes 7-3 India's way would you claim that India cheated by not using DRS? Fact is that both teams are playing under same rules...and like it has always happened teams benefit randomly and it evens out in the end. The Sydney fiasco was not just about umpiring errors....there were other things that led to untrustworthy feeling between the teams - Ganguly's catch which India felt Clarke grassed it but claimed it, Pawning's claim of catch when ball was on ground, and lot more

[BestVRest]

Maybe I'm not being fair but India is the only country who is against the DRS, that old saying goes "With great power comes greater responsibility" it's sad that the Indians are hated so much around the world. But that is only due to the BCCI and it's stand over tactics, I Know the history how the Indians think that in the past they were hard done by so now it's time to get their own back. But that is not the way one should behave, I like quite a few of the Indian players, but unfortunately a lot of Australians don't like the attitude of the BCCI and that tarnishes the team as well.

[Vijay.Sharma]

Maybe I'm not being fair but India is the only country who is against the DRS, that old saying goes "With great power comes greater responsibility" it's sad that the Indians are hated so much around the world. But that is only due to the BCCI and it's stand over tactics, I Know the history how the Indians think that in the past they were hard done by so now it's time to get their own back. But that is not the way one should behave, I like quite a few of the Indian players, but unfortunately a lot of Australians don't like the attitude of the BCCI and that tarnishes the team as well.

I think India has very good reasons to be against DRS in its current form. They are not too comfy with the lack of accuracy of the tech and standardization of the gadgets. And it has a right to have its own opinion. Let's know the facts - even in series where India is not playing the DRS gadgets have been ditched. No teams except England and Australia use the full DRS because others can't afford it. When ICC allows you to access your right to withdraw from its use, what is wrong in accessing your right? No one from the Indian team complained about any of the decisions going against them...so where is the problem?

[bulbul]

I think India has very good reasons to be against DRS in its current form. They are not too comfy with the lack of accuracy of the tech and standardization of the gadgets. And it has a right to have its own opinion. Let's know the facts - even in series where India is not playing the DRS gadgets have been ditched. No teams except England and Australia use the full DRS because others can't afford it. When ICC allows you to access your right to withdraw from its use, what is wrong in accessing your right? No one from the Indian team complained about any of the decisions going against them...so where is the problem?

actually its some of our Top players who are against it.. Dhoni even made some comments against umpires during WI series in Windies...

[BestVRest]

Yes Dhoni had a go at the umpires in the WI series, sorry but this is the reason why Indians aren't liked very much.

[Vijay.Sharma]

I am sorry you are confusing between expressing a critical opinion about a particular decision when explicitly asked by someone from the press with the stance of India on DRS. I don't think Dhoni claimed that if DRS was there then the decision would have been reversed. He was only critical about some decisions and he has a right to be. You need to understand that his criticism is about the competency of the ump not about DRS in that particular instance. Not signing up for the DRS does not mean you are not entitled to have an opinion about an umpiring call independent of DRS. Whether Indians are liked or not liked is immaterial to this - you might not like us but you must understand that India has a right to exercise its option on DRS. As far as I know India have said no to DRS completely from the WI in India series only and since then they have not made any issues about umpiring decisions going against them.

[wobblydoggy]

There are two different viewpoints expressed while by people who are criticising BCCI's stand on drs 1) that BCCI's opposition to DRS leads to umpiring errors not being corrected - This is quite justified 2) The second is that not using DRS somehow leads to an advantage for India as umpires give more wrong decisions in favour of India. This couldnt be more wrong as wrong decisions tend to even out most of the time and even when it doesnt, the balance usually goes against India

I disagree because the DRS predicts the spin bowlers path and that may well mean more lbw's against your batsmen in India Might mean more for your bowlers too, but then they get plenty of wickets anyway on those dust bowls

[adi B]

could have been another howler had dhobi taken the catch of tricky ponting, umpire ave it a leg bye :omg: please,can some1 kill erasmus :--D

[zep1706]

please,can some1 kill erasmus :--D

Send him to Pakistan, they are in that business for a long time :P