Dravid_TheWall Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 To be honest bro, I am British Indian as in born here but to Indian parents but I would have felt just as vulnerable in that situation perhaps although it is hard to say but as someone said earlier that can be a very notorious area. I agree my heart goes out to the family it is tragic and I hope the bastards are brought to justice Most people would obviously feel vulnerable with a gun pointed to their head but that is not what I meant. Look at how many Indian students have been stabbed in Australia, yet other aussie born asians have been less of a target according to their crime stats. So that could be due to Indian born students looking more vulnerable, dressing differently, going into areas they shouldn't e.t.c Bit like how when you go to India they instantly know your an NRI and so are treated differently.
Dhoni_fan Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Most people would obviously feel vulnerable with a gun pointed to their head but that is not what I meant. Look at how many Indian students have been stabbed in Australia, yet other aussie born asians have been less of a target according to their crime stats. So that could be due to Indian born students looking more vulnerable, dressing differently, going into areas they shouldn't e.t.c Bit like how when you go to India they instantly know your an NRI and so are treated differently. I understand what you are saying, but I do have a lot of Indian born friends who study here like this guy, I think a lot of them when they come over here do dress westernised some even more westernised than me, I think it wouldnt always be that easy for some of these guys (who arent the sharpest tool in the shed) to tell whether you are local or from India, all they know is you are different and they play on that. Plus I did not mean vulnerable for them having a gun I meant even before that seeing some guys I dont know approach me I would feel uncomfortable.
nikred Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Most people would obviously feel vulnerable with a gun pointed to their head but that is not what I meant. Look at how many Indian students have been stabbed in Australia, yet other aussie born asians have been less of a target according to their crime stats. So that could be due to Indian born students looking more vulnerable, dressing differently, going into areas they shouldn't e.t.c Bit like how when you go to India they instantly know your an NRI and so are treated differently. At least in US, Indian students find themselves in these situations because of working on odd jobs at odd places during odd times. i think its more or less the same in Australia.
Dravid_TheWall Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 At least in US' date=' Indian students find themselves in these situations because of working on odd jobs at odd places during odd times. i think its more or less the same in Australia.[/quote'] Yes exactly.
Dravid_TheWall Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 I understand what you are saying' date=' but I do have a lot of Indian born friends who study here like this guy,[b'] I think a lot of them when they come over here do dress westernised some even more westernised than me, I think it wouldnt always be that easy for some of these guys (who arent the sharpest tool in the shed) to tell whether you are local or from India, all they know is you are different and they play on that. Plus I did not mean vulnerable for them having a gun I meant even before that seeing some guys I dont know approach me I would feel uncomfortable. I don't know how this guy looks British Indian to you: I know what you mean but it isn't simple as put on western clothes and you look western. Posture, behaviour, mannerisms, your walk is also very relevant. It is actually quite easy to tell more often than not. If I went to India and dressed in the local way, people would still know I am an NRI. Alot of British Asians live in Scotland yet often it is the ones from India who suffer. Not as black and white as skin colour. Although we can only speculate in this case.
Nova Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 ^ It's not about the nationality...so mannerisms, etc is irrelevant. If it's a hate crime, then what probably mattered in this case is the color of the skin.
Dravid_TheWall Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 ^ It's not about the nationality...so mannerisms' date=' etc is irrelevant. If it's a hate crime, then what probably mattered in this case is the color of the skin.[/quote'] I am not denying it is a hate crime but I am sure the perpetrators have come across British Indian's before. I have white mates from Manchester and the UK as whole is quite multicultural. Also I was talking about indian students being targetted abroad in general, not just in this case.
nikred Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 I am not denying it is a hate crime but I am sure the perpetrators have come across British Indian's before. I have white mates from Manchester and the UK as whole is quite multicultural. Also I was talking about indian students being targetted abroad in general, not just in this case. I don't quite understand what's your point here? FOBs with their weird dressing sense and mannerisms attract hate-crime? Going by your posts, it would be true only if they are attacked by NRIs. :P
Utalk Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 A gunman who called himself ‘Psycho’ smirked or laughed after shooting dead an Indian student in the street – then got a tattoo commemorating the killing, a court heard. Kiaran Stapleton has gone on trial accused of the murder of 23-year-old Anuj Bidve, who he shot in the head at close range on Boxing Day. He gunned down Mr Bidve ‘without warning’ after asking him the time in Ordsall Lane, Salford, Manchester Crown Court was told. When he made his first appearance at Manchester Magistrates’ Court he was asked if his name was Kiaran Stapleton and replied: "No, Psycho. Psycho Stapleton." The crown court jury heard Stapleton had been told his girlfriend had cheated on him that night – and vowed to kill the man if he saw him. He shot Anuj, who was a stranger to him, minutes later. Eyewitnesses allegedly told police he ‘smirked or laughed’ before running off. The following day Stapleton, 21, is said to have checked into a hotel overlooking the crime scene before getting a teardrop tattoo on his cheek - signifying that he had killed someone. Brian Cummings QC, prosecuting, told the jury that Stapleton’s pal Ryan Holden had witnessed the shooting. Stapleton is alleged to have made threatening remarks about Mr Holden when he learnt that he was helping police. Dad-of-one Stapleton, of Regent Square, Ordsall, admits manslaughter but denies murder. His defence team is expected to use psychiatric and psychological evidence to try to prove that he ‘lost control’ at the time of the killing. The court heard that Anuj, who was originally from Pune in east India, was on his way to the Boxing Day sales with pals when he was killed. The Lancaster University postgraduate electronics student was in a group of nine friends who ‘seemed to be having a laugh’ at the time of the fatal attack, the jury was told. Mr Cummings said that between midnight and 12.30am on Boxing Day, Stapleton and Mr Holden went out to buy food at Regent Road. The fast-food outlets they were heading for were closed and the pair turned into Ordsall Lane and headed back towards their homes on the estate. On the opposite side of the road, the court heard, Mr Bidve’s group were walking towards McDonalds. Stapleton is alleged to have said to Mr Holden ‘wait here a minute’ before running across the road. The jury was told Mr Holden saw Stapleton raise an arm and stretch it out as if he was going to shoot, before hearing a loud shot and ‘a lot’ of screaming. Stapleton was said to have run back towards Mr Holden, urging him to run. The court was told the pair had gone back to Stapleton’s home, where the defendant allegedly told Mr Holden ‘Don’t fold on me’ before taking a shower. He is then said to have taken his friend’s clothes and bag and burned them. At 4pm on December 27, the court was told, Stapleton checked into a room of the Campanile Hotel whose windows look towards the crime scene. The next day Stapleton was said to have gone to the Candy Skull tattoo shop in Swinton to have a teardrop design tattooed on one side of his face. He was arrested in Leigh at 1.30am by armed police, the court heard. When he was told that Ryan Holden had given officers an account of the shooting he is alleged to have said: ‘So I suppose Ryan will be under the, how do you want to put it, the witness protection – because he’s going to need a hell [of a lot] more than that.”
DomainK Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 The mention of "white" man was a bit unnecessary. Gives an impression of a hate-crime, where it may not have been one. RIP. Hope the criminals are caught soon.
vvvslaxman Posted June 26, 2012 Posted June 26, 2012 The mention of "white" man was a bit unnecessary. Gives an impression of a hate-crime, where it may not have been one. RIP. Hope the criminals are caught soon. He was arrested and brought to trial also. Incident happened 6 months back.
1983-2011 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Posted June 26, 2012 how many years he went in for? trial has just got underway, might take couple of weeks or this friday. probably 20-30 years so should be out in 2023-2028 while the victim will never come back.
1983-2011 Posted July 26, 2012 Author Posted July 26, 2012 A man who shot Indian student Anuj Bidve in the head has been convicted of his murder at Manchester Crown Court. Kiaran Stapleton, 21, denied murder but had admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. He shot the 23-year-old student, who was doing postgraduate studies in micro-electronics at Lancaster University, in Salford on Boxing Day. Mr Bidve had been walking early in the morning with a group of friends to the sales in Manchester when he was killed. His parents Subhash and Yogini were in court to hear the jury return their verdict after 90 minutes of deliberations. Grinning killer Before the verdict was announced, Stapleton jogged up the steps to the dock from the cells. He looked around the courtroom and grinned before the jury foreman stood up but stared straight ahead as the verdict was announced. Mrs Bidve cried after the verdict was announced while Mr Bidve bowed in his seat and later held his hands to his face. Stapleton will be sentenced on Friday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-18972079
Anonymous Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 There is something pathologically wrong with this guy and the British society at large. No one has any ****ing motivation because everything is handed to them on a platter. Look at this guy for instance, he killed Anuj because he wanted to make the news and become the big dawg in his scrawny little council shithole. Take an avg Indian male of same age for eg, he would be in University with a massive loan from his middle class family and all his focus would be to make a career for himself unlike this douche.
India-KXIP fan Posted July 27, 2012 Posted July 27, 2012 The mention of "white" man was a bit unnecessary. Gives an impression of a hate-crime, where it may not have been one. RIP. Hope the criminals are caught soon. I think it probably was a hate crime so the title is fine. No need to run from reality.
1983-2011 Posted July 27, 2012 Author Posted July 27, 2012 Anuj Bidve killer Kiaran Stapleton jailed for murder The man who shot dead Indian student Anuj Bidve in a "motiveless" murder in Greater Manchester has been jailed for life. Kiaran Stapleton, 21, was found guilty of murder at Manchester Crown Court on Thursday following a five-week trial. He shot the 23-year-old Lancaster University student on Boxing Day 2011 as he walked to the Manchester sales with friends. Stapleton was told he would serve a minimum term of 30 years. The court heard he would only be released after that term if a parole board was satisfied he was no longer a risk to the public. Mr Justice King said Stapleton - who in his first court appearance told magistrates his name was "Psycho Stapleton" - had committed a "truly wicked act" and was a "highly dangerous man" who posed a high risk of serious harm to other people. 'Positively boastful' He told Stapleton: "In my judgment, this was no impulsive act on your part. It was a piece of cold-blooded controlled aggression. "When you went out you were fully minded to find a victim to satisfy your desire to shoot and kill someone if you could. "I have no doubt that when you fired that fatal shot you had the intention to kill and moreover at all times you were in full control of your actions and fully aware of what you were doing. "By that single act of cruelty you brought about the premature death of a bright young man who had already achieved so much and had so much to look forward to in the future." He said he had showed a "most callous disregard" in laughing and smirking after he gunned down Mr Bidve and also during the trial. "You have behaved in a way demonstrating that you are positively boastful about having killed Mr Bidve," he said. Stapleton's upbringing in "a disturbed family environment" and medical diagnosis of an anti-social personality disorder did not lower his responsibility for his actions, the judge added. The killer showed no emotion as the sentence was passed, nodded before he was led from the dock and then motioned with his hand towards his family to say "chin up". 'Openly laughed' He had admitted manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility but the jury rejected that argument and convicted him of murder. Stapleton laughed as he stood over the body of his victim, the court had heard, and he regularly grinned and laughed throughout his five-week murder trial. He was smiling as he came into court for the verdict and beamed towards a family member as he was led from the dock. Following the verdict, Mr Bidve's father Subhash said Stapleton had "openly laughed at the memory of our son". He said he believed Stapleton should never be released from prison. His son had arrived in the UK to study micro-electronics at Lancaster University and was visiting Manchester with a group of friends last Christmas. They left their hotel in Salford to queue early for the sales when their paths crossed with Stapleton's and he asked them for time. He then pulled a handgun out of his pocket and fired one shot to Mr Bidve's left temple. Teardrop tattoo Stapleton told one psychologist in prison he picked out his victim because "he had the biggest head", the court heard. The day after the murder he booked into a hotel which overlooked the crime scene in Ordsall Lane. He later went to a tattoo parlour to get a teardrop design placed below his right eye - a symbol used by some gangs to mark that the wearer has killed someone. Mr Bidve and his wife, Yogini, revisited the crime scene following Stapleton's conviction on Thursday to say prayers and lay a bouquet of flowers. They are due to return home to India later. Det Ch Supt Mary Doyle, of Greater Manchester Police, said: "I have spoken to the family and while they remain grief stricken that nothing can bring Anuj back, they are very pleased Stapleton will not even be eligible for parole until he is in his fifties. "I would like to pay tribute to the dignity that Anuj's family have shown. "They have had to sit through five weeks of harrowing evidence but at least today they have seen justice done. "Our thoughts remain with Anuj's family as they fly back to India and try to rebuild their lives after the senseless loss of their son." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19010151
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