Sid Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Seriously whats this working of fecking DRS and hot spot and I am still confused about it.And interestingly most of these bizzare situations involve joker Billy Bowden. 1) Today a ball ,clearly missing bat and caught by short leg fielder and is given out by Bowden.Batsman takes DRS but still given out because there isnt enough evidence to overturn the decision ,when clearly it was not out. 2) 30 minutes later similar thing happens with Strauss .Ball is caught on the leg side by the keeper and given out by Bowden.Strauss uses DRS ,there is no spot on hot spot but decision stays as it is ,because there is not enough evidence to prove it wasnt an edge. Now , back in July ,Lords test ,sometime during post lunch session: *Dhoni bowls to KP ,ball takes the edge and Dravid takes it and Bowden (yes this joker again) gives it out. KP uses DRS and this time decision is overturned when again the evidence provided was similar to todays decisions. *And everyone remembers Bowden's great feck up of that Bell'S LBW at Bengaluru and a decision similar to which was given out in the very next game vs Ireland. So,in all WTF is the use of DRS and hot spot,when there is no uniformity in decision making.
ganeshran Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Strauss one was especially retarded. Dont know what conclusive evidence they were looking for when there was no mark on Hotspot Ajmal's one was wrong too, but in it Hotspot wasnt available.
Sid Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Yes,in Ajmal's decision hotspot wasnt available because short leg fielder came in the view but still the point is why wasnt decision overturned even when it was clearly not out.
Needforspeed Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 In England DRS had become the Dravid Removal System. I am glad that DRS screwed an Englishman today.
Asim Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 In both of today's cases, if DRS was not used batsmen were still have to go... so did DRS done anything worse than on-field umpires? NO... But there were few decisions been reversed in match because clear evidence were found against them, so did DRS proved helpful there? YES Moral of the story: DRS is there ONLY to IMPROVE on-field umpiring.
Sid Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Hot spot IMO should be scrapped.In last 6 months seen enough of it to come to a conclusioin its useless.
Sid Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 In both of today's cases' date= if DRS was not used batsmen were still have to go... so did DRS done anything worse than on-field umpires? NO... But there were few decisions been reversed in match because clear evidence were found against them, so did DRS proved helpful there? YES Moral of the story: DRS is there ONLY to IMPROVE on-field umpiring. Think from a batsman's POV,if he thinks and in case of Ajmal whole world sees it that its not out,and is stil given out.Then whats the use of a REVIEW. Especially this overturning the decision one time and not overturning the other time,underlines the non-uniformity of this system.
rkt.india Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Seriously whats this working of fecking DRS and hot spot and I am still confused about it.And interestingly most of these bizzare situations involve joker Billy Bowden. 1) Today a ball ,clearly missing bat and caught by short leg fielder and is given out by Bowden.Batsman takes DRS but still given out because there isnt enough evidence to overturn the decision ,when clearly it was not out. 2) 30 minutes later similar thing happens with Strauss .Ball is caught on the leg side by the keeper and given out by Bowden.Strauss uses DRS ,there is no spot on hot spot but decision stays as it is ,because there is not enough evidence to prove it wasnt an edge. Now , back in July ,Lords test ,sometime during post lunch session: *Dhoni bowls to KP ,ball takes the edge and Dravid takes it and Bowden (yes this joker again) gives it out. KP uses DRS and this time decision is overturned when again the evidence provided was similar to todays decisions. *And everyone remembers Bowden's great feck up of that Bell'S LBW at Bengaluru and a decision similar to which was given out in the very next game vs Ireland. So,in all WTF is the use of DRS and hot spot,when there is no uniformity in decision making. You forget 2 dismissals of Dravid one was caught behind and second was caught at short leg of Swann and on both occasions DRS did not show anything, even Umpire did not give it out on second occasion.
Sid Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Thnks rocket,that Dravid's caught at short leg dismissal skipped my mind.Another example of overturning(from not out to out) a decision when there was no mark on hot spot.
Asim Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Think from a batsman's POV,if he thinks and in case of Ajmal whole world sees it that its not out,and is stil given out.Then whats the use of a REVIEW. Especially this overturning the decision one time and not overturning the other time,underlines the non-uniformity of this system. and think this way, if Ajmal was given N.O. Eng reviews it, no conclusive evidence found against ajmal, it would have stayed N.O and if it was wrongly given out and not any so called conclusive evidence found, it remain stayed with "on-field decision". So my only point is DRS will either be helpful to improve the decision or to continue with on-field call... there will never be a "DRS disadvantage" case when umpire is right but DRS alone forced him to reverse it and make a wrong decision...
Sid Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 asim,look at Dravid's and KP 's dismissal(posted above) from last English summer to see the examples of DRS disadvantages.In both the cases neither it remained with on field call nor there was any evidence to prove that the earlier decision has been improved.
Asim Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 asim' date='look at Dravid's and KP 's dismissal(posted above) from last English summer to see the examples of DRS disadvantages.In both the cases neither it remained with on field call nor there was any evidence to prove that the earlier decision has been improved.[/quote'] Yes, those are exceptional disadvantage cases but still in my opinion itÃÔ not DRS to be blamed, its incorrect use of system to be blamed. To make it more reliable and consistent there is only need of declaring some new rules and standards especially for such hot-spot cases. I think system deserves us all to show little more patience because itÃÔ still new, overall doing great in majority of cases and only regular use of it will make us; the viewers, players and officials to learn about any possible downsides and keep on improving and modifying to make it perfect.
Sid Posted January 19, 2012 Author Posted January 19, 2012 Yes ,I agree with you.I am not against use of DRS but such inconsistency and non- uniformity in decision making should be corrected sooner ,otherwise there are no benefits of using DRS.And as far as hot spot is concerned ,I dont trust that piece of technology anymore.
CG Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Hotspot is not able to detect most thin edges,Hawkeye is grossly inaccurate it will just show you a straight line path from the point of contact of the ball with the batsman,Drs is ****.
zep1706 Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I am not against DRS. But I am not for it in the current form. 1. ICC should fully control it not the broadcaster. If it's a part of the decision making process why leave it to the people not officiating the match and as the CEO of virtual eye himself said it can easily be tempered. 2. Do a thorough evaluation of the technologies. I, for one don't trust the Hawk-Eye prediction at all and in every match I see something or other which increases my mistrust even further. For example in the case of the Misbah dismissal HE said the ball hit him in line but after watching numerous replays I just don't think it did. Look at the picture below, the ball hit him around the knee, how can that be in line with the stumps with 50% of the ball inside-- Hot spot hardly detects the faint edges. We don't need it for detecting clear edges anyway. --- So in short I blame the ICC for the whole issue.
CG Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 I am not against DRS. But I am not for it in the current form. 1. ICC should fully control it not the broadcaster. If it's a part of the decision making process why leave it to the people not officiating the match and as the CEO of virtual eye himself said it can easily be tempered. 2. Do a thorough evaluation of the technologies. I, for one don't trust the Hawk-Eye prediction at all and in every match I see something or other which increases my mistrust even further. For example in the case of the Misbah dismissal HE said the ball hit him in line but after watching numerous replays I just don't think it did. Look at the picture below, the ball hit him around the knee, how can that be in line with the stumps with 50% of the ball inside-- Hot spot hardly detects the faint edges. We don't need it for detecting clear edges anyway. --- So in short I blame the ICC for the whole issue. Hawkeye camera positioning may have been wrong ,They cannot get visible tracejtory of ball right and we are using hawkeye for prediction,As i said in one of my threads hawkeye prection for lbw s is hopeless as it will just so a straight line path after the ball hits the batsman.
VRV Singh Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Seems like there are too many circumstances where Hot Spot is of little use. Those are the ones that will be referred most too.
akshayxyz Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 Hawkeye camera positioning may have been wrong ' date='They cannot get visible tracejtory of ball right and we are using hawkeye for prediction,As i said in one of my threads [b']hawkeye prection for lbw s is hopeless as it will just so a straight line path after the ball hits the batsman. :facepalm: do u understand this: s = u*t + 0.5*g*t^2 ? and Hawkeye calculations are much more than that... calculating the trajectory/direction/speed of ball before impact is much more difficult than what happens after impact...and is reasonably well understood.. btw, do you know we have been able to launch satellites into orbits, based on some 'rudimentary' maths and physics equations.. and those satellites with few more equations/maths, are good enough to help us calculate GPS positions, within few meters... and yet, people think Hawkeye is not even as good as slot machine from Mahabharat yuga.
Needforspeed Posted January 19, 2012 Posted January 19, 2012 :facepalm: do u understand this: s = u*t + 0.5*g*t^2 ? and Hawkeye calculations are much more than that... calculating the trajectory/direction/speed of ball before impact is much more difficult than what happens after impact...and is reasonably well understood.. btw, do you know we have been able to launch satellites into orbits, based on some 'rudimentary' maths and physics equations.. and those satellites with few more equations/maths, are good enough to help us calculate GPS positions, within few meters... and yet, people think Hawkeye is not even as good as slot machine from Mahabharat yuga. Are you sure that hawkeye account for all the variations of 1. Pitch conditions ( Different countries, different grounds and different days of the match), 2. atmospheric conditions (cloudy, sunny etc), 3. height of the bowler (the height from which the ball is delivered) 4. Condition of the ball (new, 40 overs old, 70 overs old etc) 5. Speed of delivery. A slight variation in any of the above factors can make change the trajectory and direction of the ball after pitching. Regarding your example of GPS calculations, it is not apt as there are hardly any variables. Once u know the coordinates the position will not change.
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