Ultimate_Game Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 How can we expect to win games when there are too many consolidators and not enough firepower either at the top or in the lower order? SRT, Gambhir and Kohli are solid consolidators and are not the ones who will go ballistic a la Warner or Wade. At the death other than Raina there's nobody who can come in and take the game away. Jadeja at #7 is a joke as other than spinners he can't hit anybody and in Aus he will have to hit 140+ kph fast bowlers around which he doesn't have the capability of doing. We need firepower at the top in Sehwag or some youngster who can play the same way and replace Jadeja with a power hitter like a Uthappa. As for playing 3 spinners in Aus I won't even go there :facepalm:
Sid Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Yes ,Jaddu at no.7 is a BIG NO for me.I have never been convinced by his hitting abilities. And what an irony "resting" Veeru turned out to be,his kind of innings was so needed today.
Ultimate_Game Posted February 5, 2012 Author Posted February 5, 2012 Yes ,Jaddu at no.7 is a BIG NO for me.I have never been convinced by his hitting abilities. And what an irony "resting" Veeru turned out to be,his kind of innings was so needed today. Problem is that if Viru goes early we don't have many batsmen who can seize the initiative. Other batsmen are more in the mould of taking singles and playing a long innings but other than Raina I don't see too many scoring a 20 ball 40. I mean look at Aussies. They have game-changers in Warner, Wade and Hussey bros whereas we only have Sehwag and Raina. We need to get somebody like Uthappa in the team ASAP. Jadeja couldn't even manage run a ball in T20s outside of India so how exactly will he take on Aussie quicks at the death in odis? He is good enough only for hitting lousy bowlers on flat pitches in India but not in taking on Aussie quicks in Aus.
VRV Singh Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 This is the time we need to be using Pathan IMO. It is a waste otherwise. I am not sure I fancy Jadeja's chances of doing well on most of these decks.
asterix Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 We need Dravid and Laxman to stablise the middle order batting..
CG Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Problem is that if Viru goes early we don't have many batsmen who can seize the initiative. Other batsmen are more in the mould of taking singles and playing a long innings but other than Raina I don't see too many scoring a 20 ball 40. I mean look at Aussies. They have game-changers in Warner' date=' Wade and Hussey bros whereas we only have Sehwag and Raina. We need to get somebody like Uthappa in the team ASAP. Jadeja couldn't even manage run a ball in T20s outside of India so how exactly will he take on Aussie quicks at the death in odis? He is good enough only for hitting lousy bowlers on flat pitches in India but not in taking on Aussie quicks in Aus.[/quote'] In these conditions we need good opening starts and good bowling attack,We won the cb series last time as we had a very good bowling attack ishant,sreesanth,Munaf,Irfan all chipped in with bhajji and tendulkar and gambhir played well ,But in the finals uthappa contributed with some good opening patnership,we need to get guys like pathan,uthappa a chance.
VRV Singh Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 We need Dravid and Laxman to stablise the middle order batting.. pls remove that horror from the avatar
yadhav500 Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Against Aussies we might have a bit of problems but against SL this line up is more than enough to win with a big margin. So we'll have to rethink our strategies only for the finals I guess.
Sid Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Problem is that if Viru goes early we don't have many batsmen who can seize the initiative. Other batsmen are more in the mould of taking singles and playing a long innings but other than Raina I don't see too many scoring a 20 ball 40. I mean look at Aussies. They have game-changers in Warner' date=' Wade and Hussey bros whereas we only have Sehwag and Raina. We need to get somebody like Uthappa in the team ASAP. Jadeja couldn't even manage run a ball in T20s outside of India so how exactly will he take on Aussie quicks at the death in odis? He is good enough only for hitting lousy bowlers on flat pitches in India but not in taking on Aussie quicks in Aus.[/quote'] I dont see any problem in our ODI batting apart from good no.7.Yes we need to find Veeru's replacement as well in attacking openers slot.Watching Rahane bat against Poms made me convinced he is not an ODI opener.
CG Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 I dont see any problem in our ODI batting apart from good no.7.Yes we need to find Veeru's replacement as well in attacking openers slot.Watching Rahane bat against Poms made me convinced he is not an ODI opener. why? he did pretty well in eng in tough conditons.
Ultimate_Game Posted February 5, 2012 Author Posted February 5, 2012 It must suck to be Irfan at the moment. He would be watching Jaddu from the sidelines and wondering "am I that bad I can't even beat this guy to be in the team" :haha: Why bother picking Pathan if you want to play 3 spinners in Aus? Uthappa needs to be given a chance as our lower order is p*ss poor at the moment.
CG Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 Against Aussies we might have a bit of problems but against SL this line up is more than enough to win with a big margin. So we'll have to rethink our strategies only for the finals I guess. Do not be so sure,Lankans played well in sa .
CG Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 It must suck to be Irfan at the moment. He would be watching Jaddu from the sidelines and wondering "am I that bad I can't even beat this guy to be in the team" :haha: Why bother picking Pathan if you want to play 3 spinners in Aus? Uthappa needs to be given a chance as our lower order is p*ss poor at the moment. He needs to please dhoni first to get in the team .
Ultimate_Game Posted February 5, 2012 Author Posted February 5, 2012 Against Aussies we might have a bit of problems but against SL this line up is more than enough to win with a big margin. So we'll have to rethink our strategies only for the finals I guess. You think we are going to get to the finals :hysterical: Even SL have more firepower in their lineup with the likes of Dilshan at the top and hitters like Angelo Matthews, Thissera Pereira and Kulasekara lower down.
Ultimate_Game Posted February 5, 2012 Author Posted February 5, 2012 He needs to please dhoni first to get in the team . Yup. Maybe Srinivasan, Dhoni and Srikkanth are pissed with him as he may have refused to play for CSK in IPL :dontknow: I hope Uthappa move to CSK as that's the only way he can get into the team.
Sid Posted February 5, 2012 Posted February 5, 2012 why? he did pretty well in eng in tough conditons. He is not a ODI opener.Watching him bat in India against Pommys was painful most of the times.
rkt.india Posted February 6, 2012 Posted February 6, 2012 This is the time we need to be using Pathan IMO. It is a waste otherwise. I am not sure I fancy Jadeja's chances of doing well on most of these decks. Bro...You are rating Pathan to high as a batsman right now. He is not good with bat nowadays, did not play a single good inning even in Ranji, you are expecting him to play international fast bowlers. The way he batted against WI in ODI was really eye opener.
chainsmoker1985 Posted February 6, 2012 Posted February 6, 2012 Bro...You are rating Pathan to high as a batsman right now. He is not good with bat nowadays' date=' did not play a single good inning even in Ranji, you are expecting him to play international fast bowlers. The way he batted against WI in ODI was really eye opener.[/quote'] Pathan is a quality batsman. Without giving him chance we can't judge about his batting or bowling. He played only in 1 match. He looked good for a certain period in that match. We need to give him more chances than just 1 match. Remember, we don't have a better seaming all-rounder atm. And when he is doing well, he gives the team the balance in the team combination for all conditions. Secondly, these are conditions where he strives the most. He always loves Australian conditions in tests and in ODIs as well. IMO, we need to bring in Umesh and Irfan for the Perth match.
chainsmoker1985 Posted February 6, 2012 Posted February 6, 2012 In these conditions we need good opening starts and good bowling attack' date='We won the cb series last time as we had a very good bowling attack ishant,sreesanth,Munaf,Irfan all chipped in with bhajji and tendulkar and gambhir played well ,But in the finals uthappa contributed with some good opening patnership,we need to get guys like pathan,uthappa a chance.[/quote'] I believe in last CB series, there was much happier atmosphere in the Indian team and everyone use to feel free and secure. There were better relations between Uthappa and Dhoni, and also Irfan and Dhoni. Yuvi, Bhajji and Dhoni had also very flamboyant friendship. Things are not the same anymore.
prashsenga Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 honstly guyz.. has uthappa been doing well in recent ranji matches.. for all that i can see uthappa has only two shots in his plate... moving away and hitting the ball behind the keeper or coming on front foot and plonking away.. i am sure he would be as suspect as raina on these pitches... My team would be 7 pure play batsmen and 4 bowlers with just one spinner... i am from TN and ashwin is struggling. so he has to be dropped gambhir sehwag kohli sachin raina rohit dhoni Irfan PK/Vinay Zaheer/ Umesh Rahul sharma/Ojha we have this setup we will start winning. cant have vinay and pk in the same team. both are so similar in pace and capabilities with PK edging out koomarrrrrrrrrrrr in the longer term. we do this we should be good... no need for uthappa..unless sehwag is a super big flop... we need to persist with rohit for him to allow to come of age in internationals outside sub continent and i am sure we would see the effects in the next 3 -4 matches.
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