Vegetarian Or Not?

[nballa]

specifically for vitamins - vegetables and fruits etc. are better source of most vitamins. In fact' date=' if you are on meat heavy diet (like ketogenic diets),[b'] it is strongly advised to take multi-vitamin supplements.

several studies recently have proven beyond doubt that multivitamins are batshit useless. read up.

[akshayxyz]

several studies recently have proven beyond doubt that multivitamins are batshit useless. read up.

Yes, and vitamin deficiency and hypervitaminosis are black magic? Why don't you just post the appropriate links/references. Until then, I will just speak from what I have read, experienced. Multi-vitamin won't do any good for someone having already balanced diet, and leading normal active life. But, when you go for some extreme diets e.g. it is likely that one can be missing some vitamins (or having overdoes of some) - or when you are working-out heavier than normal beings - then also you need to supplement with additional nutrients, vitamins and minerals. and not to mention the anti-oxidant effects of Vitamin C and E. I have no problems updating my knowledge base, but not based on some random one-liner by some random person.

[nballa]

Yes, and vitamin deficiency and hypervitaminosis are black magic? Why don't you just post the appropriate links/references. Until then, I will just speak from what I have read, experienced. Multi-vitamin won't do any good for someone having already balanced diet, and leading normal active life. But, when you go for some extreme diets e.g. it is likely that one can be missing some vitamins (or having overdoes of some) - or when you are working-out heavier than normal beings - then also you need to supplement with additional nutrients, vitamins and minerals. and not to mention the anti-oxidant effects of Vitamin C and E. I have no problems updating my knowledge base, but not based on some random one-liner by some random person.

you are smart right? you can google. a clinical trial designed to see whether taking selenium and vitamin E might help prevent prostate cancer. But as a letter following up the call explained, not only was the answer "no," but vitamin E apparently increased the chance of prostate cancer, if very slightly, and selenium seemed to raise the risk of diabetes. http://health.usnews.com/health-news/diet-fitness/diet/articles/2008/12/09/vitamins-and-supplements-do-they-work This week, researchers reported the disappointing results from a large clinical trial of almost 15,000 male doctors taking vitamins E and C for a decade. The study showed no meaningful effect on cancer rates. Another recent study found no benefit of vitamins E and C for heart disease. http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/news-keeps-getting-worse-for-vitamins/ Long-term multivitamin use has no impact on the risk of common cancers, cardiovascular disease or overall mortality in postmenopausal women, a new study finds. The message is simple and echoes the advice of most researchers who have looked into the effects of diet: Eat real food. Several other studies have shown vitamin supplements to be next to worthless and in some cases harmful. http://www.livescience.com/3302-study-suggests-multivitamins-work.html

[anotherhawkeye]

^ dude, you have few studies that state that vitamins cant prevent or cure cancer or heart disease. But that's not the point being discussed, is it? Who claimed in this thread that vitamins cure cancer? And your conclusion (that you copied from the linked article): eat real food. I can ask the same question: which food is proven to cure cancer? The point that was made earlier is that multivitamins "supplement" real food for those whose diet is restricted. I still haven't seen anything from you or any worthwhile medical journal that casts doubt. Now, I have read that multivitamin is not a sufficient source of all vitamins at recommended levels and that real food is always better. But that's another topic because there is no such thing as real food any more.

[Cricket_Fan]

southie nd veggie :cleveland:

South,typical Mallu and hence hardcore non-vegetarian. Has eaten Chicken,Mutton,Beef,Pork,Duck,Rabbit and countless seafood varieties. The non-veg options that you get in God's own country is unparalleled. Favourite non-veg: Beef fry, the state dish of Kerala(I just had it! )

[SLICKR392]

South' date='typical Mallu and hence hardcore non-vegetarian. Has eaten Chicken,Mutton,Beef,Pork,Duck,Rabbit and countless seafood varieties. The non-veg options that you get in God's own country is unparalleled. Favourite non-veg: Beef fry, the state dish of Kerala(I just had it! )[/quote'] Beef fry n parathas from Tattu kadda :D

[anotherhawkeye]

South' date='typical Mallu and hence hardcore non-vegetarian. Has eaten Chicken,Mutton,Beef,Pork,Duck,Rabbit and countless seafood varieties. The non-veg options that you get in God's own country is unparalleled. Favourite non-veg: Beef fry, the state dish of Kerala(I just had it! )[/quote'] Beef in India? :hmmm: Have you eaten snake, horse and whale? If not, then you are a very soft core.

[Cricket_Fan]

Beef in India? :hmmm: Have you eaten snake, horse and whale? If not, then you are a very soft core.

Come to Kerala, I can show you people eating Beef from Morning 7 am :--D. In fact, when I was a kid,I use to wonder why India was regarded as vegetarian nation when I could hardly find any vegetarian around me apart from Brahmins. Also Beef is widely available in Goa, North-east and areas populated by Muslims and Christians. Regarding hardcore, I have no inhibitions and religious compulsions(thanks to being an atheist :) ) in eating habits. Hence, can eat Snake,Horse and Whale if they are available and tasty :P

[SLICKR392]

Come to Kerala, I can show you people eating Beef from Morning 7 am :--D. In fact, when I was a kid,I use to wonder why India was regarded as vegetarian nation when I could hardly find any vegetarian around me apart from Brahmins. Also Beef is widely available in Goa, North-east and areas populated by Muslims and Christians. Regarding hardcore, I have no inhibitions and religious compulsions(thanks to being an atheist :) ) in eating habits. Hence, can eat Snake,Horse and Whale if they are available and tasty :P

Lol! Even Brahmins eat non veg back in Kerala. I've got a couple of friends who eat non veg without their parents knowing about it. Beef in Kerala is frigging awesome. And when someone visits Kerala next time, avoid eating Beef fry from a 5* restaurant rather go for the street food..that's where the taste lies (Its clean aswell)..

[nballa]

^ dude' date=' you have few studies that state that vitamins cant prevent or cure cancer or heart disease. But that's not the point being discussed, is it? Who claimed in this thread that vitamins cure cancer? And your conclusion (that you copied from the linked article): eat real food. I can ask the same question: [b']which food is proven to cure cancer? The point that was made earlier is that multivitamins "supplement" real food for those whose diet is restricted. I still haven't seen anything from you or any worthwhile medical journal that casts doubt. Now, I have read that multivitamin is not a sufficient source of all vitamins at recommended levels and that real food is always better. But that's another topic because there is no such thing as real food any more.

err, those articles were talking about preventing cancer, not curing cancer. a lot of foods have been shown to prevent the onset of cancer esp the ones with antioxidants, tomatoes, spinach etc etc. and multivaitamins have not as per the studies hence they are useless. way to contradict yourself. and no such thing as real food any more? really. are we all pushing plastic bags down our throats?

[anotherhawkeye]

err, those articles were talking about preventing cancer, not curing cancer. a lot of foods have been shown to prevent the onset of cancer esp the ones with antioxidants, tomatoes, spinach etc etc. and multivaitamins have not as per the studies hence they are useless. way to contradict yourself. and no such thing as real food any more? really. are we all pushing plastic bags down our throats?

Ha ha, you are a funny guy. As I said in my previous post, it's a topic for another day. I'm not arguing that multivitamin > food. I was merely expressing my opinion that your links didn't prove that multivitamin "are batshit useless". They have have their place in one's well being, which was akshayxyz's point. About your claim that some food can prevent cancer. No food is guaranteed to prevent cancer -- they just reduce the likelihood. If you think otherwise, come up with a link from a reputed medical journal. Anyway, If anyone asks for my advice, my advice would be to eat as much fruit and vegetables as possible. If they think can't eat as much fresh fruits and raw vegetables as they would like because life gets in the way, I would ask them to consider multivitamin and other specific vitamins like vitamin D. :icflove:

[dial_100]

I eat everything. Avoid red meat but if i cant find anything to eat, beef/pork is fine as well. I like seafood. my parents & other siblings are all strict veggies. Not even egg.

[anotherhawkeye]

I eat everything. Avoid red meat but if i cant find anything to eat' date=' beef/pork is fine as well. I like seafood. my parents & other siblings are all strict veggies. Not even egg.[/quote'] Why did you choose to eat meat when others around you didn't? Wanted to be cool? Wanted to rebel? Taste? Chalta hai attitude?

[PriyankaSR]

I eat everything. Avoid red meat but if i cant find anything to eat' date=' beef/pork is fine as well. I like seafood. my parents & other siblings are all strict veggies. Not even egg.[/quote'] You know, even when I was a non veg, I didn't like beef or pork. Mostly because there are no good restaurants in India.

[Magneto]

now people have problem eating meat also. why people not leave personal habits to personal tastes

[akshayxyz]

you are smart right? you can google. a clinical trial designed to see whether taking selenium and vitamin E might help prevent prostate cancer. But as a letter following up the call explained, not only was the answer "no," but vitamin E apparently increased the chance of prostate cancer, if very slightly, and selenium seemed to raise the risk of diabetes. http://health.usnews.com/health-news/diet-fitness/diet/articles/2008/12/09/vitamins-and-supplements-do-they-work This week, researchers reported the disappointing results from a large clinical trial of almost 15,000 male doctors taking vitamins E and C for a decade. The study showed no meaningful effect on cancer rates. Another recent study found no benefit of vitamins E and C for heart disease. http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/news-keeps-getting-worse-for-vitamins/ Long-term multivitamin use has no impact on the risk of common cancers, cardiovascular disease or overall mortality in postmenopausal women, a new study finds. The message is simple and echoes the advice of most researchers who have looked into the effects of diet: Eat real food. Several other studies have shown vitamin supplements to be next to worthless and in some cases harmful. http://www.livescience.com/3302-study-suggests-multivitamins-work.html

As anotherhawkeye already pointed out, you wasted your smartness on some point, not in discussion at all.

[akshayxyz]

Why did you choose to eat meat when others around you didn't? Wanted to be cool? Wanted to rebel? Taste? Chalta hai attitude?

:wtf: lol.. 'being rebel' is anything but 'chalta hai' attitude.

[nballa]

As anotherhawkeye already pointed out' date=' you wasted your smartness on some point, not in discussion at all.[/quote'] point was multivitamins are useless, which was proved by those studies. learn to read.

[Precambrian]

my grandpa and grandma were strict vegs and they lived into their 90s... my grandpa even went to oversee his lands on the date of his death... so this talk of body weakening post 30 is BS

[akshayxyz]

point was multivitamins are useless' date=' which was proved by those studies. learn to read.[/quote'] Since you are insisting to be thick on head... In your style: "multivitamins are useless" - is a blanket statement, there are cases where they are known to be useful. go ahead and search yourself or continue sucking your own.