CSK Fan Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 There is no balance there. Look at the last paragraph which is what talks about the reason for why he was upset. Apparently for all that he has done for the team' date= he expected the team to give something back. Are you kidding me? We have a test series to win and our man is more worried about getting to his 200. If anything, it is quite damning, as most people thought his response about being disappointed was a spur of the moment one to a question and nothing more. Hmm, but as i said, Sachin thought we had more than enough overs left (and he was right wasnt he?) so there was no way the match would have been compromised
yoda Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Hmm' date=' but as i said, Sachin thought we had more than enough overs left (and he was right wasnt he?) so there was no way the match would have been compromised[/quote'] Yea he knew we would bundle them out twice in 3 days given that we have never won a single test in that country in the previous gazillion attempts there. Given the enormous nature of the series, the fact that he was thinking more about his 200*, tells me that team was second for him, similar to what he showed at 100x100. Fact is, as a team we had enough runs on board and needed to have a go at Pakistan's batting at the end of day 2 and which is what we did. He can be disappointed that he did not get enough time for his 200, but if he was still harping about it even later claiming that team was supposed to give something back to him, then I think he was simply being selfish there. Oh BTW, I thought your initial reaction was that he only said that cause someone asked about it. Given that, I am frankly surprised that you didn't find the info about his feelings in Wright's book disturbing. It actually proves that some of you guys can simply find no wrong in anything he says or does.
akshayxyz Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 There is no balance there. Look at the last paragraph which is what talks about the reason for why he was upset. Apparently for all that he has done for the team' date= he expected the team to give something back. Are you kidding me? We have a test series to win and our man is more worried about getting to his 200. If anything, it is quite damning, as most people thought his response about being disappointed was a spur of the moment one to a question and nothing more. It is nothing new. Players/batsmen have always been allowed to 'collect' these milestones, little mementos for personal satisfaction, as and when they come w/o severely affecting team goals. (Before you jump the guns, it does not mean that those are the sole reason/motivation behind playing - and they put personal milestones ahead of team goals). That is especially when they are judged on the number of 50s, 100s, 200s.. and 40s, 90s and 190s are forgotten through stats filters. Sometime back Vijay Sharma posted about balance of personal and team goals - and their importance.. search around, if you want to learn something. That is exactly how it happens in real world. No wonder, your biased eyes saw only what you wanted to see.
pensionplan Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Sometime back Vijay Sharma posted about balance of personal and team goals - and their importance.. search around' date=' if you want to learn something.[/quote']:hmmmm2:
beetle Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Yea he knew we would bundle them out twice in 3 days given that we have never won a single test in that country in the previous gazillion attempts there. Given the enormous nature of the series, the fact that he was thinking more about his 200*, tells me that team was second for him, similar to what he showed at 100x100. Fact is, as a team we had enough runs on board and needed to have a go at Pakistan's batting at the end of day 2 and which is what we did. He can be disappointed that he did not get enough time for his 200, but if he was still harping about it even later claiming that team was supposed to give something back to him, then I think he was simply being selfish there. Oh BTW, I thought your initial reaction was that he only said that cause someone asked about it. Given that, I am frankly surprised that you didn't find the info about his feelings in Wright's book disturbing. It actually proves that some of you guys can simply find no wrong in anything he says or does. And the fact that this happened in Pakistan against Pakistan is unforgivable.
Cricket Tragic Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Yea he knew we would bundle them out twice in 3 days given that we have never won a single test in that country in the previous gazillion attempts there. Given the enormous nature of the series, the fact that he was thinking more about his 200*, tells me that team was second for him, similar to what he showed at 100x100. Fact is, as a team we had enough runs on board and needed to have a go at Pakistan's batting at the end of day 2 and which is what we did. He can be disappointed that he did not get enough time for his 200, but if he was still harping about it even later claiming that team was supposed to give something back to him, then I think he was simply being selfish there. Oh BTW, I thought your initial reaction was that he only said that cause someone asked about it. Given that, I am frankly surprised that you didn't find the info about his feelings in Wright's book disturbing. It actually proves that some of you guys can simply find no wrong in anything he says or does. No where does Wright mention that Tendulkar said so. Tendulkar, Wright felt, "felt let down".
yoda Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 No where does Wright mention that Tendulkar said so. Tendulkar, Wright felt, "felt let down". After a sleepless night, I spoke to Tendulkar who confirmed that he'd wanted the team to cut him some slack. Cut him slack, felt let down, ... He wanted the team to cut him slack when they are wondering when to declare - if 650+ was enough, do we have enough overs for the day, no no no, cut him some slack so he can crawl his way to the coveted 200*.
Cricket Tragic Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Wright asked him....that's not still harping about it.
yoda Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 And the fact that this happened in Pakistan against Pakistan is unforgivable. Yes that was a massive series, last thing we wanted to hear was the biatching about the declaration.
akshayxyz Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 BTW .. somewhere I read, it was Wright only, who gave Sachin idea of aiming for 100 international 100s.
yoda Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Wright asked him....that's not still harping about it. Fair enough, but the selfishness is oozing whether you volunteered or responded and this was not a spur of the moment response, more of a deliberate response a day later. I don't even know how that response is defensible in any team sport.
Andrew Peter Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Goddy deserved to complete his double hundred on that day as further play for additional one or two overs wouldnt have made a significant difference anyways . Declaring your team mate when hes only 6 runs short of a double ton in Land of Rivals was a stupid decision and not selfless as some fans of the Wall claim , otherwise all the captains around the world would start declaring the batsmen on scores of 99* , 199* to prove their selflessnes .
beetle Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Goddy deserved to complete his double hundred on that day as further play for additional one or two overs wouldnt have made a significant difference anyways . Declaring your team mate when hes only 6 runs short of a double ton in Land of Rivals was a stupid decision and not selfless as some fans of the Wall claim , otherwise all the captains around the world would start declaring the batsmen on scores of 99* , 199* to prove their selflessnes . Making sure of a win in the land of rivals is what a captain is supposed to do.People who like to put individual goals over team goals should play individual sport.
pensionplan Posted March 30, 2012 Posted March 30, 2012 Making sure of a win in the land of rivals is what a captain is supposed to do.People who like to put individual goals over team goals should play individual sport.And we learnt that the hard way in Asia cup where Sachin pacing his innings cost us 20-25 runs which in the end game was the difference between us getting to the final to an individual getting to his 100th "international" ton. Blame the bowlers all you want but it is a no-no to not score as many runs as you possibly could in a team game ensuring you have all your basis covered. Even after that if you lose then you tip your hat to the opponent. Unfortunately we cannot do that here given the mistake is glaring.
Raghav_12 Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 People fooling themselves who think that individuality can be taken away in game of cricket. Even in chase of 330, Kohli found time to consume 16 balls to move from 90 ton 100, was that selfish? I don't know. World over batsmen celebrate their hundred's. Have you ever seen any batsmen celebrating when team reaches 100 or 200? Why? Shouldn't they be more happy about team reaching 100 then they themselves reaching 100? What happens to theory of team's runs being more important than individual runs? When Sehwag tries to get to his century with a six, I think that is even more selfish. 194* was a clear case of miscommunication. 2 overs more or two overs less could make an impact and could not. It's all how captain is planning things. It's not that it was absolutely essential for Dravid to declare at that point. There have been test matches where teams batted in third day before declaring and there may have been cases where team declared at 2nd day tea. I am not saying that what Dravid did was wrong, but communication wasn't very clear, either delivery or reception. Waiting for a century before declaring is not something that only Indians do. Captain waving batsmen back from balcony, immediately after one of the batsmen's century, is very common scene in test cricket, across the world.
Raghav_12 Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Yea he knew we would bundle them out twice in 3 days given that we have never won a single test in that country in the previous gazillion attempts there. Given the enormous nature of the series, the fact that he was thinking more about his 200*, tells me that team was second for him, similar to what he showed at 100x100. Fact is, as a team we had enough runs on board and needed to have a go at Pakistan's batting at the end of day 2 and which is what we did. He can be disappointed that he did not get enough time for his 200, but if he was still harping about it even later claiming that team was supposed to give something back to him, then I think he was simply being selfish there. Oh BTW, I thought your initial reaction was that he only said that cause someone asked about it. Given that, I am frankly surprised that you didn't find the info about his feelings in Wright's book disturbing. It actually proves that some of you guys can simply find no wrong in anything he says or does. But, didn't many on this forum accused that Sachin knew that 290 will not be enough, still batted slowly. So if Sachin has such gift of foresight, I am sure he knew that India will roll Pakistan over in two days.
CSK Fan Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Cut him slack, felt let down, ... He wanted the team to cut him slack when they are wondering when to declare - if 650+ was enough, do we have enough overs for the day, no no no, cut him some slack so he can crawl his way to the coveted 200*. No, you have mis-interprested that sentence. Sachin is mentioning what happened after the match. He wanted the team to cut him some slack and not keep on about the issue. He wanted the whole issue forgotten. Because the next line is Then he and Dravid talked it through and resolved the matter." Of course like the way how everyone is clealry ignoring Wright's comment on Dravid being at equal fault too. Wright a veteran coach and an ex-player thought Dravid's action was wrong too. But a peep against Dravid? Surely those criticizing only Sachin cannot be Dravid's die hard fans by some weird co-incidence, can they?
beetle Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 No' date=' you have mis-interprested that sentence. Sachin is mentioning what happened after the match. He wanted the team to cut him some slack [b']and not keep on about the issue. He wanted the whole issue forgotten. Because the next line is Then he and Dravid talked it through and resolved the matter." Of course like the way how everyone is clealry ignoring Wright's comment on Dravid being at equal fault too. Wright a veteran coach and an ex-player thought Dravid's action was wrong too. But a peep against Dravid? Surely those criticizing only Sachin cannot be Dravid's die hard fans by some weird co-incidence, can they? Seriously...that is your interpretation? >>>>>>Tendulkar, batting on 194 in the first Test against Pakistan, left no one in doubt that "he felt let down", >>>>>Tendulkar, Wright felt, "felt let down". "He'd been playing for India since he was 16; he'd stood up for his country in bad times and tough conditions, and often been the only man to do so. Having given so much for the team, over such a long period, he probably thought this was one time the team could give something back to him. Even the greatest have their goals and dreams and milestones, and a double century against Pakistan in Pakistan would have been a memory to treasure. After a sleepless night, I spoke to Tendulkar who confirmed that he'd wanted the team to cut him some slack.[/B]Then he and Dravid talked it through and resolved the matter." How does that translate to " He wanted the whole issue forgotten"? As for Wright's comment about Dravid.... "Midway through the final session, Dravid declared, as you do when you're 675 for 5. What Indian captains don't tend to do, however, is declare when Sachin Tendulkar is on 194 not out. The matter became a full-fledged sensation when Tendulkar told a press conference he was disappointed not to get his double century." Wright said had he been the captain, he would have declared a lot earlier, allowing Pakistan to face about 25 overs and with Tendulkar on about 170. But the former New Zealand captain also pointed out that Tendulkar needed to "move on" after tea when things got slow. "Dravid wanted less time in the field, but got caught a bit betwixt and between. At tea he told the batsmen he wanted 15 or 16 overs at the Pakistanis, and after tea a couple of messages went out. As I sat there watching the innings grind on, it crossed my mind that Tendulkar needed to get a move on," Wright continued. "A final message went out saying they had one more over. Then Yuvraj got run out going for a quick single and Dravid called them in." The only criticism I see is that Dravid should have declared earlier. And someone missed mentioning the good words for Dravid....:roti: "I talked to Dravid, who agreed that he had to have a chat with Tendulkar before things got out of hand. That combination of steeliness and serenity, so evident in Dravid's batting, is the mark of the man: nothing fazes him. He's a mature and intelligent individual; all the hype and fuss goes over his head because he can stand back and put the issue in perspective." The article just confirms that this was a tiff between two very different kind of men.A mature man who was acting like the captain of a team wanting to make sure of a win and an immature star wanting his glory more than anything else.
King Tendulkar Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 Fair enough' date=' but the selfishness is oozing whether you volunteered or responded and this was not a spur of the moment response, more of a deliberate response a day later. I don't even know how that response is defensible in any team sport.[/quote'] Well he is still better then that oily rat sivramdnhkjhkjjkskrishnelkdnncnlaxmankehksdkhrat!
Precambrian Posted March 31, 2012 Posted March 31, 2012 :hatsoff:lets bust this myth (once again ! ) that Tendulkar was crawling his way to a 200 in Multan . Here is how his last 100 runs were scored and the teams score at that point. Figures in brackets are the no.of balls he faced. 430 - 93(203) 543 -144(290) 675 -194(348) So from those numbers we find that his last 50 runs were scored in 58 balls and this includes the supposed slow down for the "landmark" of 150. That amounts to a strike rate of 86.2% - exactly the same as his ODI S/R. So turns out that this crawling BS is a result of shouting long and hard.
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